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Reply #90 posted 03/28/12 9:54am

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Astasheiks said:

Nobody cares about Z's upbringing, it sure didn't help him 2/26/12 when he committed murder!

You missed the point of the post (not surprising). The info is related to whether Z's father was or is a magistrate judge. It has been claimed by TM supporters that Z will have an advantage somehow because his father is a judge. I cannot find evidence of that What I did find is that his father is retired, and was in the military. That was the 'point' of the post, not Z's upbringing.

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Reply #91 posted 03/28/12 9:58am

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Astasheiks said:

Nobody cares about Z's upbringing, it sure didn't help him 2/26/12 when he committed murder!

Exactly! Bad Tweets or being very religious? Does this really make someone good or bad?? For reals?? Timothy McVeigh:

McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[84] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[85] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[86] In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God"

I'm not saying that Zimmerman was a killer because he was Catholic, what I'm saying that a religious upbringing does not determine whether or not someone will be a killer or not. Zimmerman's lawyer is doing damage control and ppl are easily swayed by religion, this is nothing but propoganda to put Zimmerman in a more positive light. He needs to come forward and tell the truth.

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Reply #92 posted 03/28/12 10:06am

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hmmm Well, considering that in December 2008, Zimmerman applied for a citizen's police academy with the Seminole Sheriff's Office. In his application, Zimmerman stressed his background with the law: He wrote that his father is a retired Virginia Supreme Court magistrate judge and his mother worked as a deputy clerk of courts. So either it's true or that would mean he lied on his application and if he would lie about something like that, he'd lie about anything. Including what happened on the night of February 26, 2012. kiss2

http://www.miamiherald.co...inted.html

NiceNBreezy said:

This from the Orlando Sentinel referencing the Washington Post:

"Meanwhile, a report in The Washington Post revealed new details about Zimmerman’s upbringing in Manassas, Va. Neighbors told the Post that Zimmerman’s family was “very Catholic...very religious,” and his father, Robert Zimmerman, a retired military man who could be strict."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-23/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-job-20120323_1_robert-zimmerman-source-new-details

Another excerpt directly from the Washington Post. Again, I see no reference to his father being a magistrate. The focus of this story is how people who support Zimmerman are afraid to speak up (not surprising).

“Their parents taught them to treat everybody with respect. I’m tired of hearing about this race thing,” Hall said. “It could be an element in it ... but I never would have thought of him as being a racist. His father was in the Army and was a white American and his mother was Peruvian. That makes him 50 percent Peruvian. A lot of stuff I hear, it irks me because people are drawing their own conclusions with very little evidence.”

“The media has been quick to demonize George, but Trayvon Martin was no angelic boy walking,” Meza said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/supporters-of-florida-neighborhood-watch-shooter-wary-of-speaking-out-fearing-public-backlash/2012/03/28/gIQAkp1ifS_story.html

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[Edited 3/28/12 10:07am]

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Reply #93 posted 03/28/12 10:10am

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Or that the Washington Post or Miami Herald got it wrong. Who knows? That's an open question, as far as I am concerned.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

hmmm Well, considering that in December 2008, Zimmerman applied for a citizen's police academy with the Seminole Sheriff's Office. In his application, Zimmerman stressed his background with the law: He wrote that his father is a retired Virginia Supreme Court magistrate judge and his mother worked as a deputy clerk of courts. So either it's true or that would mean he lied on his application and if he would lie about something like that, he'd lie about anything. Including what happened on the night of February 26, 2012. kiss2

http://www.miamiherald.co...inted.html

NiceNBreezy said:

This from the Orlando Sentinel referencing the Washington Post:

"Meanwhile, a report in The Washington Post revealed new details about Zimmerman’s upbringing in Manassas, Va. Neighbors told the Post that Zimmerman’s family was “very Catholic...very religious,” and his father, Robert Zimmerman, a retired military man who could be strict."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-23/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-job-20120323_1_robert-zimmerman-source-new-details

Another excerpt directly from the Washington Post. Again, I see no reference to his father being a magistrate. The focus of this story is how people who support Zimmerman are afraid to speak up (not surprising).

“Their parents taught them to treat everybody with respect. I’m tired of hearing about this race thing,” Hall said. “It could be an element in it ... but I never would have thought of him as being a racist. His father was in the Army and was a white American and his mother was Peruvian. That makes him 50 percent Peruvian. A lot of stuff I hear, it irks me because people are drawing their own conclusions with very little evidence.”

“The media has been quick to demonize George, but Trayvon Martin was no angelic boy walking,” Meza said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/supporters-of-florida-neighborhood-watch-shooter-wary-of-speaking-out-fearing-public-backlash/2012/03/28/gIQAkp1ifS_story.html

[Edited 3/28/12 10:07am]

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Reply #94 posted 03/28/12 1:47pm

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I have a hard time believing a 17 year old 6.3 ft tall, 140lb kid can overpower a 28 year old, 5.9 ft tall, 250lb guy to the point where the 250lb guy has NO other choice but to shoot the 140lb kid. That's just bullshit. Be a man, fight like one.

Trayvon Martin

Trayvon Benjamin Martin (February 5, 1995 – February 26, 2012) was the son of Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. He was 17 years old, 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) and weighed 140 pounds (64 kg) at the time of his death.[19] His parents had divorced in 1999; his mother is a Miami-Dade government employee and his father is a truck driver.[19] He was a student at Krop Senior High School, where he was a junior interested in military aviation.[20][21] Martin lived with his mother and older brother in Miami Gardens, Florida. On the day he was killed, he was visiting his father and his father's fiancee, Brandi Green, at her townhome in Sanford, Florida, after being suspended from school.[22][20][19][23]

George Zimmerman

George Michael Zimmerman[24] was born on October 5, 1983, in Virginia,[25] the son of Gladys Zimmerman, who is from Peru, and Robert Zimmerman Sr.,[1] a retired magistrate judge.[26] He was raised Catholic and served as an altar boy, living in Manassas, Virginia until the early 2000s.[1] He is a self-identified Hispanic.[27][28] At the time of the incident, he was 5 ft 9 in (1.75 m) tall,[29][30] and weighed approximately 250 lb (110 kg).[29] He is licensed to carry a firearm.[31][32]

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Reply #95 posted 03/29/12 6:45am

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2elijah said:

deebee said:

It's surely the very least that should happen. The idea that the whole file is just closed and put away without that - as if it were some 'merely administrative' matter - is abominable. disbelief It comes to something when people have to protest en masse for basic tenets of justice to be fulfilled, and may well still lose the fight, since the legal status quo so firmly puts property rights and gun-toting rights above human rights - particularly when certain kinds of human are the victims.

Not to mention what Trayvon's parents are going through, and at this point, based on this country's history of cases like this, George will go free, and no justice will be served. At this point I don't see how Trayvon will have a fair trial. He's dead and can't speak for himself. George has had over a month to come up with all kinds of excuses for his claim of self-defense, and as usual, the victim is being made out to be the aggressor/attacker. It seems those who support Zimmerman's claims of 'a suspicious Black male' (who by the way was not committing any crime whatsover), also support Zimmerman's initial agenda of racially-profiling Trayvon, but they will deny it to no end with all kinds of sugar-coating and BS excuses. Nothing new.

[Edited 3/28/12 6:17am]

These cases bring a lot to the surface, and it's sad to see what becomes all too apparent. disbelief

For me, the fact that the legal status quo is so perversely weighted (property right & gun rights above human rights) that even charges and a trial are deemed unwarranted - that, as of this moment, in the eyes of the law, there is no crime to answer for here - is just unfathomable. I mean, even a prosecution culminating in an acquittal would seem like an overly optimistic fantasy at this point - which really is saying something!

I had hoped, when this story broke and when I read the initial posts on this site, that the needless loss of a young life and an official response that seemed so at odds with any reasonable conception of justice might unite all but a few people in opposition. Not so, as it transpired (quite predictably, in retrospect); the usual apologisms have been reheated and passed around as they always are. Still, I have to say that I am always moved by the fact that there are, thankfully, people of all colours who find this situation abominable and are prepared to protest against it; and I hope that that does bring some comfort to the family, even if they do seem destined to join the ranks of those hopelessly failed by the formal institutions of 'justice'.

[Edited 3/29/12 7:51am]

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Reply #96 posted 03/29/12 8:59am

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so, no one cares about the two eye witnesses who claim trayvon was beating on zimmerman? don't get me wrong, i hate racism and violence, but shouldn't we wait until the facts are out before lynching zimmerman?

remember the duke university dudes in 2006? the lacrosse team? EVERYone was CERTAIN they had done the deeds they were accused of, a huge hubbub resulted, and then what? remember? it took months for the evidence and facts to come out, which exonerated them.

please let's not lynch zimmerman just yet.....

[Edited 3/27/12 10:01am]

First of all, the only one 'lynched' was a 17 year old boy, without provocation. He was merely walking down the street and this armed nutcase followed him in his car, and then got out of his car and approached the boy. And the 17 year old had no weapon, yet he used deadly force. Are you kidding me?

Second, the dude had ZERO police authority

Third, the police who did have authoritiy told him to basically mind his fucking business and they will handle it. Yet, he got out of his car and ultimately murdered this unarmed kid who only had skittles and some damn iced tea.

He FUCKING KILLED AN UNARMED TEEN. No matter what words were exchanged, no matter if the alarmed teen took a swing, this self appointed asshole with no authority hunted down and killed an unarmed teen, shooting him in the back to boot! No proper crime scene investigation. This fucker hasn't even been arrested--most people, even if innocent would have at least been arrested.

This man is a fucking murderer, and he planned to kill that kid the second he got out of his car with a semi-automatic, concealed or not.

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Reply #97 posted 03/29/12 9:02am

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XxAxX said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

He has to be arrested, so evidence and witnesses may be presented in court, FIRST! It's been over a month and he hasn't been arrested, YET!

BUT the police allegedly have two eyewitnesses who corroborate zimmerman's testimony, which is why he has not been arrested. he allegedly acted in self defense.

Yeah... because police are known to fuck things up...including altering witness testimony. And other witnesses say the fucker killed the boy after having the upper hand...if there is a question (and there clearly is) this man should be arrested

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Reply #98 posted 03/29/12 9:09am

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If this dude is not arrested soon...I fear rioting will start. That he is walking free is wack as shit.

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Reply #99 posted 03/29/12 9:52am

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StillGotIt said:

XxAxX said:

so, no one cares about the two eye witnesses who claim trayvon was beating on zimmerman? don't get me wrong, i hate racism and violence, but shouldn't we wait until the facts are out before lynching zimmerman?

remember the duke university dudes in 2006? the lacrosse team? EVERYone was CERTAIN they had done the deeds they were accused of, a huge hubbub resulted, and then what? remember? it took months for the evidence and facts to come out, which exonerated them.

please let's not lynch zimmerman just yet.....

[Edited 3/27/12 10:01am]

First of all, the only one 'lynched' was a 17 year old boy, without provocation. He was merely walking down the street and this armed nutcase followed him in his car, and then got out of his car and approached the boy. And the 17 year old had no weapon, yet he used deadly force. Are you kidding me?

Second, the dude had ZERO police authority

Third, the police who did have authoritiy told him to basically mind his fucking business and they will handle it. Yet, he got out of his car and ultimately murdered this unarmed kid who only had skittles and some damn iced tea.

He FUCKING KILLED AN UNARMED TEEN. No matter what words were exchanged, no matter if the alarmed teen took a swing, this self appointed asshole with no authority hunted down and killed an unarmed teen, shooting him in the back to boot! No proper crime scene investigation. This fucker hasn't even been arrested--most people, even if innocent would have at least been arrested.

This man is a fucking murderer, and he planned to kill that kid the second he got out of his car with a semi-automatic, concealed or not.

i agree it's tragic. i agree it is wrong to open fire for anything less than self defense. i also think it is moronic to suppose that we have all of the facts right now. i was not there and you were not there. let's wait until we've heard from the folks who were there.

the ONLY point i am making with these posts that you've singled out, is that we should halt the lynch mob on zimmerman and wait until we have more information. now, contain your rage. it is not appropriate for you to attack me simply because i have a different perspective

[Edited 3/29/12 9:55am]

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Reply #100 posted 03/29/12 11:22am

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March 28: ABC News EXCLUSIVE: A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose. His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.

I recommend everyone watch the surveillance video. George Zimmerman has no blood on his face or on the back of his head. Given, that the paramedics may have cleaned him off but there should be a gash on the back of his head and/or stitches as George's lawyer said he got.....and look closely at the shirt, there is NO blood on it. If his nose was broken, he should blood on his shirt, but it's fairly clean. Paramedics don't clean shirts.

Another thing that's interesting is that on the night of the shooting, he told 911 that he followed Martin when asked if he was. You hear him get out of the car and say things like 'where did he go?'. Yet, after the shooting, he told police officers, he got out of the car to look for the street name since he didn't know where he was. He did not tell the policemen that he got out of the car to follow Martin. Why?

Jesus, he can't be arrested for this?

ABC News also learns that Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

[Edited 3/29/12 11:24am]

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Reply #101 posted 03/29/12 12:32pm

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rudedog said:

March 28: ABC News EXCLUSIVE: A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose. His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.

I recommend everyone watch the surveillance video. George Zimmerman has no blood on his face or on the back of his head. Given, that the paramedics may have cleaned him off but there should be a gash on the back of his head and/or stitches as George's lawyer said he got.....and look closely at the shirt, there is NO blood on it. If his nose was broken, he should blood on his shirt, but it's fairly clean. Paramedics don't clean shirts.

Another thing that's interesting is that on the night of the shooting, he told 911 that he followed Martin when asked if he was. You hear him get out of the car and say things like 'where did he go?'. Yet, after the shooting, he told police officers, he got out of the car to look for the street name since he didn't know where he was. He did not tell the policemen that he got out of the car to follow Martin. Why?

Jesus, he can't be arrested for this?

ABC News also learns that Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

[Edited 3/29/12 11:24am]

Oh that's easily explained, as I've pointed out numerous times. Zimmerman was NOT on a Neighborhood Watch patrol at the time. He was on a personal errand. Therefore, he had every right to be carrying his weapon.

However, since that IS the case, he had NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to pursue Trayvon in the first place! Especially because by Zimmerman's own account of what happened, Trayvon was NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG to begin with!

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Reply #102 posted 03/29/12 1:05pm

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Oh that's easily explained, as I've pointed out numerous times. Zimmerman was NOT on a Neighborhood Watch patrol at the time. He was on a personal errand. Therefore, he had every right to be carrying his weapon.

However, since that IS the case, he had NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to pursue Trayvon in the first place! Especially because by Zimmerman's own account of what happened, Trayvon was NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG to begin with!

Oh right, he had a concealed gun permit which is within the law to have. But yeah, since he wasn't 'officially' on patrol, he should have made the call and waited for the policeman to arrive. Once he stepped out that car, with a loaded weapon...he made a decision to take the law into his own hands. Listening to the 911 phone call, he followed Martin for awhile....again against the explicit request of the 911 operator. If it's a gated community, a policeman would have found Martin just fine.

All this would have never happened if Zimmerman never got out of the car and follow Martin as he was asked not to do. He would have never left that car had he not had that gun.

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Reply #103 posted 03/29/12 3:56pm

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rudedog said:

March 28: ABC News EXCLUSIVE: A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose. His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.

I recommend everyone watch the surveillance video. George Zimmerman has no blood on his face or on the back of his head. Given, that the paramedics may have cleaned him off but there should be a gash on the back of his head and/or stitches as George's lawyer said he got.....and look closely at the shirt, there is NO blood on it. If his nose was broken, he should blood on his shirt, but it's fairly clean. Paramedics don't clean shirts.

Another thing that's interesting is that on the night of the shooting, he told 911 that he followed Martin when asked if he was. You hear him get out of the car and say things like 'where did he go?'. Yet, after the shooting, he told police officers, he got out of the car to look for the street name since he didn't know where he was. He did not tell the policemen that he got out of the car to follow Martin. Why?

Jesus, he can't be arrested for this?

ABC News also learns that Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

[Edited 3/29/12 11:24am]

Also according to my friends on the force if there was a quantity of blood present the procedure is to handle everything while wearing gloves due to the potential bio-hazard. They also state that a suspect with any broken bones/extensive injuris cannot refuse to be transported to a hospital. This is done to guard against a suspect claiming police brutality, which is also one of the reasons they take lots of evidence photos.

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Reply #104 posted 03/29/12 4:57pm

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I recommend everyone listen to this video -- the first interview given by George Zimmerman's father.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2122245/Trayvon-Martin-case-George-Zimmermans-father-says-family-persecuted.html

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Reply #105 posted 03/29/12 5:09pm

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babynoz said:

rudedog said:

March 28: ABC News EXCLUSIVE: A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose. His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.

I recommend everyone watch the surveillance video. George Zimmerman has no blood on his face or on the back of his head. Given, that the paramedics may have cleaned him off but there should be a gash on the back of his head and/or stitches as George's lawyer said he got.....and look closely at the shirt, there is NO blood on it. If his nose was broken, he should blood on his shirt, but it's fairly clean. Paramedics don't clean shirts.

Another thing that's interesting is that on the night of the shooting, he told 911 that he followed Martin when asked if he was. You hear him get out of the car and say things like 'where did he go?'. Yet, after the shooting, he told police officers, he got out of the car to look for the street name since he didn't know where he was. He did not tell the policemen that he got out of the car to follow Martin. Why?

Jesus, he can't be arrested for this?

ABC News also learns that Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”

[Edited 3/29/12 11:24am]

Also according to my friends on the force if there was a quantity of blood present the procedure is to handle everything while wearing gloves due to the potential bio-hazard. They also state that a suspect with any broken bones/extensive injuris cannot refuse to be transported to a hospital. This is done to guard against a suspect claiming police brutality, which is also one of the reasons they take lots of evidence photos.

Right, so he didn't go to the hospital, paramedics worked on him at the site they say, but yet George's father/lawyer says he needed stitches? My hand required stitches after a blade cut me pretty deeply, i also needed stitches from a car accident on my arm. Both were done the SAME DAY, because I was bleeding profusely. Now, when did he get these 'stitches'? Since he didn't go to the hospital and paramedics don't do major stitches required for trauma to the head on site, but at the hospital, when did he get those stitches? He should have had a guaze on his head to soak up the blood, his shirt should have blood from the bloody nose and head.

Come to think of it, if he had brain trauma from being slammed on the concrete, he should have gone to the hospital. He risked having an untreated concussion? I just can't believe paramedics or police would not have advised him to go to the hospital just to make sure he was alright.

Zimmerman's story is starting to unravel.

[Edited 3/29/12 17:12pm]

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Reply #106 posted 03/29/12 5:48pm

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XxAxX said:

StillGotIt said:

First of all, the only one 'lynched' was a 17 year old boy, without provocation. He was merely walking down the street and this armed nutcase followed him in his car, and then got out of his car and approached the boy. And the 17 year old had no weapon, yet he used deadly force. Are you kidding me?

Second, the dude had ZERO police authority

Third, the police who did have authoritiy told him to basically mind his fucking business and they will handle it. Yet, he got out of his car and ultimately murdered this unarmed kid who only had skittles and some damn iced tea.

He FUCKING KILLED AN UNARMED TEEN. No matter what words were exchanged, no matter if the alarmed teen took a swing, this self appointed asshole with no authority hunted down and killed an unarmed teen, shooting him in the back to boot! No proper crime scene investigation. This fucker hasn't even been arrested--most people, even if innocent would have at least been arrested.

This man is a fucking murderer, and he planned to kill that kid the second he got out of his car with a semi-automatic, concealed or not.

i agree it's tragic. i agree it is wrong to open fire for anything less than self defense. i also think it is moronic to suppose that we have all of the facts right now. i was not there and you were not there. let's wait until we've heard from the folks who were there.

the ONLY point i am making with these posts that you've singled out, is that we should halt the lynch mob on zimmerman and wait until we have more information. now, contain your rage. it is not appropriate for you to attack me simply because i have a different perspective

[Edited 3/29/12 9:55am]

First of all, you don't know me, so don't try to classify my responses as "rage". You sound like Zimmerman, judging somebody you don't know and now you're trying to police me. finger no wonder you are taking Zimmerman's side, you probably think the way he does. Should I take off my digital hoodie? Are you gong to shoot me next?

I disagree wholeheartledly with the foolishness you have written, and it is within my right to say so. So check yourself. I haven't attacked you personally, I came up with a counter argument.

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Reply #107 posted 03/29/12 5:54pm

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I believe babynoz has a message for you: Go stand in a corner until you cool off. lol

StillGotIt said:

XxAxX said:

i agree it's tragic. i agree it is wrong to open fire for anything less than self defense. i also think it is moronic to suppose that we have all of the facts right now. i was not there and you were not there. let's wait until we've heard from the folks who were there.

the ONLY point i am making with these posts that you've singled out, is that we should halt the lynch mob on zimmerman and wait until we have more information. now, contain your rage. it is not appropriate for you to attack me simply because i have a different perspective

[Edited 3/29/12 9:55am]

First of all, you don't know me, so don't try to classify my responses as "rage". You sound like Zimmerman, judging somebody you don't know and now you're trying to police me. finger no wonder you are taking Zimmerman's side, you probably think the way he does. Should I take off my digital hoodie? Are you gong to shoot me next?

I disagree wholeheartledly with the foolishness you have written, and it is within my right to say so. So check yourself. I haven't attacked you personally, I came up with a counter argument.

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Reply #108 posted 03/29/12 6:05pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

I believe babynoz has a message for you: Go stand in a corner until you cool off. lol

StillGotIt said:

First of all, you don't know me, so don't try to classify my responses as "rage". You sound like Zimmerman, judging somebody you don't know and now you're trying to police me. finger no wonder you are taking Zimmerman's side, you probably think the way he does. Should I take off my digital hoodie? Are you gong to shoot me next?

I disagree wholeheartledly with the foolishness you have written, and it is within my right to say so. So check yourself. I haven't attacked you personally, I came up with a counter argument.

I'm sure babynoz can speak for himself. Anyway....I guess this is your way of throwing out bait or something? zzz

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Reply #109 posted 03/29/12 8:04pm

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George's brother tells Piers Morgan how George would have lost his life had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed by Trayvon:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/30/piers-morgan-robert-zimmerman-george-zimmermans-gun.cnn

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Reply #110 posted 03/29/12 8:33pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

George's brother tells Piers Morgan how George would have lost his life had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed by Trayvon:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/30/piers-morgan-robert-zimmerman-george-zimmermans-gun.cnn


Sounds to me more and more like the Stand Your Ground LAW that Zimmerman is trying to use as his defense is what's going to send him to jail!

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Reply #111 posted 03/29/12 9:24pm

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deebee said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

For those reasons alone, a thorough criminal investigation was warranted. That didn't happen because Zimmerman claimed "self-defense" and the lead homicide investigator, who had doubts of Zimmerman's claim and wanted to charge him was told not to because the State wouldn't be able to convict because of the "Stand Your Ground" Law.

That's the problem! Not "hoodies", "skittles", "racism", people hearing "coon" nor "punk", "Trayvon's school suspension", nor even "Zimmerman's prior arrests"!

[Edited 3/27/12 15:00pm]

Honestly, that's the bit that slays me too. It seems to me that all of these arguments about events leading up to Zimmerman's decision to shoot Trayvon belong inside a courtroom, at the very least. The idea that a self-appointed, gun-toting guardian can take a young man's life and then simply issue a cry of "self-defence" that is dubious at best, meaning the whole thing never even has to enter the juridical realm, and the file can be closed and put away without a single testimony made under oath, or conflicting accounts of events being put before a jury, is just impossible to take.

I mean, when that legal status quo combines with racist suspicions on the part of the little cowboys keeping watch for 'suspicious' injuns, and an empowering sense on their part of being able to shoot first and ask questions later, it really does amount a de facto ability to 'get away with murder', with little doubt as to which community is going to suffer the highest body count.

[Edited 3/28/12 2:47am]

Co-Sign. GZ can't voluntarily put himself on trial. A confession doesn't require a trial.

NiceNBreezy can envision a trial when there hasn't been an arrest or any charges brought but can't see GZ abusing the law to get away with murder.

[Edited 3/29/12 21:24pm]

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Reply #112 posted 03/29/12 9:30pm

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rudedog said:

The DOJ & FBI better get this investigation resolved soon, it's escalating by the minute.

The FBI has no jurisdiction. They have to be invited. DOJ can do a civil rights investigation but that would be more effective against the Sanford Police Dept than GZ.

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Reply #113 posted 03/29/12 9:37pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

See bold. I disagree that Zimmerman initiated it by merely following him. I don't think the law will see it that way either. Whoever phsyically attacked (first) is the initiator. Not trailing behind someone because you think they are 'suspicious'.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

On that part, you and I actually do agree. However, it seems to bear stating apparently, that "the claim of racism and putting a bounty on Zimmerman's head" is NOT the sentiment of the majority of people concerned about this matter!

As repeatedly stated, the problem is the ridiculousness of Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" that allowed for this situation, in the first damn place! Without it, Zimmerman would have been arrested and charged with homicide, manslaughter or something because by his own admission, the whole situation was initiated from his actions, not Trayvon's!

Whoever physically attacked first is the initiator?!

I don't think it's that cut and dried.

According to Florida law, GZ following Treyvon is assault.

GZ action gave Treyvon cause to fear and GZ certainly looks capable of inflicting harm on Treyvon. Continuing to follow created a fear of potential imminent violence.

The 2011 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
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Chapter 784
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE

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784.011 Assault.

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

http://www.leg.state.fl.u...4.011.html

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Reply #114 posted 03/29/12 9:39pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

"Craig Sonner, Zimmerman’s attorney, said the 911 tapes released so far in the Martin case relay only half of the chain of events of that night. The complete 911 tapes back up his client’s claims of self-defense, Sonner told the Today show, and he plans to invoke Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, which provides significant leeway for people who fear their life may be in jeopardy."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/27/george-zimmerman-s-account-of-fight-with-trayvon-martin-questioned.html

You are so gullible. You will believe GZ is being straight up and honest, not setting up an alibi (self-defense) for murder.

You can't wrap your head around that possiblity can you?

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Reply #115 posted 03/29/12 9:43pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

It's unfortunate that race has become the 'reason' for this tragedy. It clouds the issue, imo. There is nothing Zimmerman did that indicates he was after Trayvon because he was black. He didn't even mention 'black male' at the beginning of the 911 call. The dispatcher asked him whether this person was white, hispanic, or black, at which point he hesitated, then responded: I think he's a black male, or words to that effect.

Who is spreading the rumor that Z's father is or was a magistrate judge? I have not been able to corroborate that. In fact, the Orlando Sentinal is reporting that his father was in the military.

Every facet of the events of that night are being examined in minute detail,. as they should be. If there is a reason to charge Z, they will find it. All I care about at this point is what the evidence/investigation points to, and whether that evidence justifies Z's use of lethal force to self defend.

2elijah said:

Not to mention what Trayvon's parents are going through, and at this point, based on this country's history of cases like this, George will go free, and no justice will be served. At this point I don't see how Trayvon will have a fair trial. He's dead and can't speak for himself. George has had over a month to come up with all kinds of excuses for his claim of self-defense, and as usual, the victim is being made out to be the aggressor/attacker. It seems those who support Zimmerman's claims of 'a suspicious Black male' (who by the way was not committing any crime whatsover), also support Zimmerman's initial agenda of racially-profiling Trayvon, but they will deny it to no end with all kinds of sugar-coating and BS excuses. Nothing new.

[Edited 3/28/12 6:17am]

[Edited 3/28/12 6:55am]

Yeah, right . . . .

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Reply #116 posted 03/29/12 9:48pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

To those who insist this death was motivated by racial hatred...

Sanford has a population of approximately 50,000. It is a very poor community, with the average per capita income in the 10K range. If as a neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman made 46 calls in the past 12 years, why wouldn't a lot those calls be about black males? One-third of the population in Sanford is black. Were his calls just as much about 'who lives there' as race?

One-third of the population is Black, yet you say "[W]hy wouldn't a lot of those call be about Black males?"

WTH?
That's a broad assumption. Do you know the racial makeup of individuals he called in about?

If he were looking for Black males, he's going to find what he's looking for isn't he?

Has he been a neighborhood watch volunteer for 12 years? Was there even an active neighborhood watch that he was a part of? Let me guess . . . he called everytime there was a black male in that neighborhood . . . .

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Reply #117 posted 03/29/12 9:52pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

I recommend everyone listen to this video -- the first interview given by George Zimmerman's father.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2122245/Trayvon-Martin-case-George-Zimmermans-father-says-family-persecuted.html

Oh, an unbiased opinion from someone with no stake in the outcome!

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Reply #118 posted 03/29/12 9:54pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

George's brother tells Piers Morgan how George would have lost his life had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed by Trayvon:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/30/piers-morgan-robert-zimmerman-george-zimmermans-gun.cnn

Oh, George's brother was there? More unbiased speculation?

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Reply #119 posted 03/29/12 10:09pm

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George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says

Zimmerman at center of firestorm for fatally shooting unarmed teen Trayvon Martin last month

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George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.


“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never,” he said.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...z1qZd6nDDD

Oh, So is Treyvon Martin still the 'aggressive' one? The one with 'the violent past?'

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