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Israel vs Iran 2012

Israel’s Channel 2: U.S. Officials Believe Netanyahu Has Already Decided to Strike Iran

March 5, 2012 4:14 pm 959 comments

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House on Monday. Photo: Israel PM Office.

Channel 2 in Israel, sourcing a “senior American official”, says that the decision has already been made by the Israeli government to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.

“All U.S. intelligence officials are confident the Israeli leadership has already decided to attack Iran, unless a significant change happens in the coming weeks or months with the Iranian nuclear program,” Channel 2 reports.

http://www.algemeiner.com...rike-iran/

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Reply #1 posted 03/07/12 7:17am

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Israel has as much right to attack Irans nuclear faclities as Iran has the right to attack Israel's nuclear facilities. so can you imagine the international reaction if the latter would actually happen? I just hope the reaction will be the same in case Israel does it.

but it won't

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Reply #2 posted 03/07/12 1:20pm

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them crazy israeli bastards threatening to attack everyone are a right threat to world peace... something needs doing before they get nuclear weapo.... oh.

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Reply #3 posted 03/07/12 2:59pm

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Hamas to stay out of any Israel-Iran fighting

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Reply #4 posted 03/07/12 3:03pm

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RicoN said:

them crazy israeli bastards threatening to attack everyone are a right threat to world peace... something needs doing before they get nuclear weapo.... oh.

You've got it backwards.

Iran has invaded not a single of its neighbors for over 100 years while Israel has invaded all its neighbors and has occupied Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Territories.

Israel is the 4th most powerful military in the world, backed by the 1st, the U.S. There are THOUSANDS of nuclear weapons between the two. Iran isn't anywhere close and has NO nuclear weapons.

[Edited 3/7/12 15:05pm]

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Reply #5 posted 03/07/12 3:12pm

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The US ain't/isn't going to get into this unless it has no other choice. Yes, we have nukes, but somebody's got more than US and Israel, plus they helped Iran build that dang nuclear facility. Don't they count? Why aren't they ever a part of this equation?

[Edited 3/7/12 15:18pm]

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Reply #6 posted 03/07/12 3:16pm

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stupid buttons.

[Edited 3/7/12 15:17pm]

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Reply #7 posted 03/07/12 4:03pm

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It's the rich jewish americans that are sending all the dosh to Israel to maintain the holy land, cause of their history. It's somewhat understandable, but when will the time come when they get over it subconsciouss stubborness?

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Reply #8 posted 03/07/12 10:38pm

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TemetNosce said:

RicoN said:

them crazy israeli bastards threatening to attack everyone are a right threat to world peace... something needs doing before they get nuclear weapo.... oh.

You've got it backwards.

Iran has invaded not a single of its neighbors for over 100 years while Israel has invaded all its neighbors and has occupied Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Territories.

Israel is the 4th most powerful military in the world, backed by the 1st, the U.S. There are THOUSANDS of nuclear weapons between the two. Iran isn't anywhere close and has NO nuclear weapons.

[Edited 3/7/12 15:05pm]

I don't think you read my post

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Reply #9 posted 03/08/12 1:17pm

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The US (a country that constantly bombs, invades and occupies other countries at will, and backs Israel which does the same) has 40 bases surrounding Iran.

Should they feel threatened?

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Reply #10 posted 03/08/12 1:18pm

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RicoN said:

I don't think you read my post

I get it now. thumbs up!

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Reply #11 posted 03/08/12 2:07pm

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Nations stress diplomacy in Iran standoff

Russia, China and the four Western nations have agreed to meet with Iran in another effort to seek a negotiated solution. But with East-West disagreements within the group greater than ever, it could be difficult for the six to act in coordination at those talks.

That could change as Russian and Chinese irritation grows with what the two consider unwarranted tough and unilateral sanctions recently imposed on Iran by Washington and the European Union. Tehran might try to exploit the rift by offering a compromise that Moscow and Beijing would likely welcome but the West would proclaim meaningless.

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Reply #12 posted 03/08/12 4:49pm

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Diplomacy = A front for more stahling!!! razz

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Reply #13 posted 03/09/12 12:02am

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TemetNosce said:

The US (a country that constantly bombs, invades and occupies other countries at will, and backs Israel which does the same) has 40 bases surrounding Iran.

Should they feel threatened?

when the USSR wanted to have a few missiles on Cuba, American crybabies already pissed their pants and almost started nuclear World War III. so if Iran would have 40 bases surrounding the US? the "heroes" would piss their pants enough to cause a world wide flood, and then let the flooded planet go down in a nuclear Holocaust

but Iran is the dangerous country? sure... the fraudulent propaganda machine called US media is working miracles again

[Edited 3/9/12 0:04am]

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Reply #14 posted 03/09/12 12:06am

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Iran should start killing Israeli and Amercian nuclear scientists on the street. that would make my day

oh wait, if the other side does it, then it's called terrorism, right?

[Edited 3/9/12 0:07am]

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Reply #15 posted 03/09/12 7:09am

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morningsong said:

Hamas to stay out of any Israel-Iran fighting

If you believe it . . . .

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Reply #16 posted 03/09/12 7:12am

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TemetNosce said:

RicoN said:

them crazy israeli bastards threatening to attack everyone are a right threat to world peace... something needs doing before they get nuclear weapo.... oh.

You've got it backwards.

Iran has invaded not a single of its neighbors for over 100 years while Israel has invaded all its neighbors and has occupied Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Territories.

Israel is the 4th most powerful military in the world, backed by the 1st, the U.S. There are THOUSANDS of nuclear weapons between the two. Iran isn't anywhere close and has NO nuclear weapons.

[Edited 3/7/12 15:05pm]

You forgot Egyptian territory.

Israel is not the 4th most powerful military in the world. Top Ten yeah, Top Five ., . .borderline.

I'd say U.S., Russia, China, Britain, France then Israel. Israel and France are pretty close but France can project power more effectively that Israel.

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Reply #17 posted 03/09/12 7:14am

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morningsong said:

The US ain't/isn't going to get into this unless it has no other choice. Yes, we have nukes, but somebody's got more than US and Israel, plus they helped Iran build that dang nuclear facility. Don't they count? Why aren't they ever a part of this equation?

[Edited 3/7/12 15:18pm]

Russia did not help Iran built the facility in Qom which is stressing Israel.

Iran has multiple hardened facilities and sites which makes an Israeli strike practically quixotic.

Russia did assist in building the Bushehr reactor which Israel may not even attack.

Russia is not going to assist Iran overtly against Israel.

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Reply #18 posted 03/09/12 9:46am

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SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

Hamas to stay out of any Israel-Iran fighting

If you believe it . . . .

From what I've read, they stand to lose a lot in a fall out.

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Reply #19 posted 03/09/12 10:05am

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SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

The US ain't/isn't going to get into this unless it has no other choice. Yes, we have nukes, but somebody's got more than US and Israel, plus they helped Iran build that dang nuclear facility. Don't they count? Why aren't they ever a part of this equation?

[Edited 3/7/12 15:18pm]

Russia did not help Iran built the facility in Qom which is stressing Israel.

Iran has multiple hardened facilities and sites which makes an Israeli strike practically quixotic.

Russia did assist in building the Bushehr reactor which Israel may not even attack.

Russia is not going to assist Iran overtly against Israel.

No I don't think Russia would get involved if Israel strikes, but it might if the US jumps in. A fact, regardless of all the hype, the US is very aware of. How many times has it been a near miss between just the 2 of us? Luckily so far it's been a lot of bluffing. Now add China to the mix, all the horror and atrocities happening in the Middle East would be childs play in comparison. Nah, I've got absolutely nothing against Israel, I all for them as a matter of fact, even with all the the Great Satan and little satan talk and all the evil empire jazz, I don't get any of that anyway, it's all hype to me. But I do think they need to exhaust all possible avenues, because trying to drag big brother into a fight just might tip the scales too far.

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Reply #20 posted 03/09/12 10:58am

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Israeli premier will not allow Iran nuclear bombs

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel will not allow Iran to obtain atomic bombs but prefers a peaceful solution to the issue, Israel's prime minister said Thursday after intensive talks in Washington about Iran's nuclear program.

Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to Israeli TV stations a day after returning from talks with President Barack Obama and other American officials. Both leaders said they would not permit Iran to obtain nuclear bombs.

While there is concern that Israel might launch a unilateral strike against Iran, Netanyahu said in Washington that no such decision has been made.

On Thursday he spelled out his policy on local TV stations, saying that this a matter of life or death for Israel.

"I hope that Iran chooses to part from its nuclear program peacefully," Netanyahu said in separate interviews, adding, "It is forbidden to let Iran arm itself with nuclear weapons, and I intend not to allow it."

http://news.yahoo.com/isr...51608.html

Netanyahu to Ayotollah Khamenhi and Ahmadinejad chair and fishslap

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Reply #21 posted 03/12/12 12:09pm

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Iran rattles sabers: ’11,000 missiles ready to launch’ at Israel, US targets

The Iranian newspaper Kayhan reported Thursday that in the first minutes of any American conflict with Iran, “Israel and all U.S. interests around the world will be targeted.”

The newspaper, which is under the supervision of Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, ran the story under the headline “11,000 Missiles Ready to Launch.”

And on Saturday, Tehran’s ambassador to Lebanon, Qazanfar Roknabadi, confirmed during a public roundtable event that the Islamic regime is prepared to attack both Israel and U.S. bases in the region if its nuclear facilities are attacked.

Citing comments from Gen. Zakaraia Hossein, the former head of the superior academy of Egypt, the Kayhan report added that “America fully knows that Iran is not Iraq” and that “a war with Iran would jeopardize all its interests in the region.”

http://news.yahoo.com/ira...07536.html

The dog seems to be barking louder instead of calming down...

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Reply #22 posted 03/12/12 12:27pm

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The facts: Iran joined the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, Israel, Pakistan, India have not, refused, actually. Israel will not tell anybody how many nukes they have. The US helped India and Pakistan with their nukes. Iran saw this and asked itself, "why can't we have nukes?" A military report here came out in 2010 and said that Iran doesn't want to have nukes, they want to sabre rattle, so that they will use it as a deterent to attack, rightly. Our military has said that Iran stopped building nukes in 2003. Brazil and China wanted to help Iran only have nuclear power, but we stopped them. We have bunker buster bombs and nukes stationed at the Island of Diego Garcia, where the Garcians were forcibly kicked out by England. Iran knows that we are aiming ten thousand missiles at various Iranian sites. We have ships in the Persian gulf. Iran would be crazy not to have nukes, but they don't. Israel is the aggressor.

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Reply #23 posted 03/12/12 12:55pm

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2freaky4church1, you are 2freaky4church lol

When has Israel leaders walk around talking to the press that they want to "Annihilate" Iran???

Iran leaders are bent on doing that to Israel and have stated many times!

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Reply #24 posted 03/12/12 2:55pm

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I guess I cater to my own various conspirousy theories.

SCENARIO 3.
ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN'S NUCLEAR FACILITIES AND/OR SYRIA AND LEBANON WHICH RETALIATE WITH MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL OR WMD ROCKET ATTACKS, ISRAEL RETALIATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS, ESCALATING TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR

Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities and/or Syria and Lebanon. These countries respond with massive rocket attacks using conventional bombs and even some chemical, biological or radiological weapons. Israel responds with nuclear strikes against these nations and Pakistan. Outraged Pakistan retaliates against Israel and pre-emptively attacks Israel's ally/Pakistan's enemy India, which retaliates. Israel initiates "Samson option" and attacks Arab and Muslim capitols, as well as "antisemitic" Europe and Russia. Russian regional commanders retaliate against Israel, its ally the U.S., and U.S. European allies and China, to destroy its nuclear capability. The U.S. retaliates against Russia and hits China's nuclear capability. China uses any remaining nuclear weapons against Russia, the U.S. and India. India retaliates against China.

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Reply #25 posted 03/15/12 11:34am

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Netanyahu is preparing Israeli public opinion for a war on Iran

In response to Netanyahu's AIPAC speech, Haaretz's editor-in-chief says that what looks like a preparation for war, acts like a preparation for war, and quacks like a preparation for war, is a preparation for war.

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Reply #26 posted 03/16/12 7:22am

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Astasheiks said:

2freaky4church1, you are 2freaky4church lol

When has Israel leaders walk around talking to the press that they want to "Annihilate" Iran???

Iran leaders are bent on doing that to Israel and have stated many times!

they never did such a thing. you're falling for mis-translation, deliberate misinformation and propaganda

for example Ahmadinejad (who's an lunatic an asshole in his own right of course) says "wave" in his speech. the newspaper turns it into "wave of assult" in their translation.

Ahmadinejad never said they want to annihilate Israel. that's a LIE. here's what he said "Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."

first, he was talking about ther regime and not the country. a big and important difference. second he implied self-destruction of the regime and never said an Iranian attack would bring annihilation.

his statement is not different from saying for example that the Egyptian people are getting rid of their goverment, that some Arab regime is in the process of dispanding, or that the goverment of USSR is self-destructing.

on the other hand we have Wolfowitz or Bush openly talking about "ending states" and winnable nuclear wars. and Israel lays out their plans to attack Iran as you just posted.
so stop drinking the kool-aid. we know who the potential agressors are in this game.

I'm seriously willing to bet against you 1:10

if Iran attacks first, you wil get 1,000 $.

but if Iran get's attacked by Israel or the US first, I will get only 100 $.

if you say no to this bet, then ask youself why. and ask yourself how big are the actual chances of Iran attacking as compared to the other way around.

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Reply #27 posted 03/16/12 7:27am

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Who voted the US the policemen of the world?

Come to think of it, who voted the police the policemen of us? wink

Anarchy!

[Edited 3/16/12 7:28am]

So long as men desire to live together, no man may initiate the use of physical force against others.
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Reply #28 posted 03/16/12 1:01pm

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BombSquad said:

Astasheiks said:

2freaky4church1, you are 2freaky4church lol

When has Israel leaders walk around talking to the press that they want to "Annihilate" Iran???

Iran leaders are bent on doing that to Israel and have stated many times!

they never did such a thing. you're falling for mis-translation, deliberate misinformation and propaganda

for example Ahmadinejad (who's an lunatic an asshole in his own right of course) says "wave" in his speech. the newspaper turns it into "wave of assult" in their translation.

Ahmadinejad never said they want to annihilate Israel. that's a LIE. here's what he said "Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."

first, he was talking about ther regime and not the country. a big and important difference. second he implied self-destruction of the regime and never said an Iranian attack would bring annihilation.

his statement is not different from saying for example that the Egyptian people are getting rid of their goverment, that some Arab regime is in the process of dispanding, or that the goverment of USSR is self-destructing.

on the other hand we have Wolfowitz or Bush openly talking about "ending states" and winnable nuclear wars. and Israel lays out their plans to attack Iran as you just posted.
so stop drinking the kool-aid. we know who the potential agressors are in this game.

I'm seriously willing to bet against you 1:10

if Iran attacks first, you wil get 1,000 $.

but if Iran get's attacked by Israel or the US first, I will get only 100 $.

if you say no to this bet, then ask youself why. and ask yourself how big are the actual chances of Iran attacking as compared to the other way around.

Really? If Ahmanutjob was only talking about the regime he would have no need to say "Wipe Israel off the Face of the Earth" which he has also said over the past few years. And besides Ezekial mentions Persia which is prsent day Iran in a big war with Israel; depicting Iran on the wrong side of God!

[Edited 3/16/12 13:13pm]

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Reply #29 posted 03/16/12 3:29pm

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BombSquad said:

Astasheiks said:

2freaky4church1, you are 2freaky4church lol

When has Israel leaders walk around talking to the press that they want to "Annihilate" Iran???

Iran leaders are bent on doing that to Israel and have stated many times!

they never did such a thing. you're falling for mis-translation, deliberate misinformation and propaganda

for example Ahmadinejad (who's an lunatic an asshole in his own right of course) says "wave" in his speech. the newspaper turns it into "wave of assult" in their translation.

Ahmadinejad never said they want to annihilate Israel. that's a LIE. here's what he said "Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."

first, he was talking about ther regime and not the country. a big and important difference. second he implied self-destruction of the regime and never said an Iranian attack would bring annihilation.

his statement is not different from saying for example that the Egyptian people are getting rid of their goverment, that some Arab regime is in the process of dispanding, or that the goverment of USSR is self-destructing.

on the other hand we have Wolfowitz or Bush openly talking about "ending states" and winnable nuclear wars. and Israel lays out their plans to attack Iran as you just posted.
so stop drinking the kool-aid. we know who the potential agressors are in this game.

I'm seriously willing to bet against you 1:10

if Iran attacks first, you wil get 1,000 $.

but if Iran get's attacked by Israel or the US first, I will get only 100 $.

if you say no to this bet, then ask youself why. and ask yourself how big are the actual chances of Iran attacking as compared to the other way around.

No one in their right mind would take that bet, even if you offered 100:1.

Israel has made it clear that any attack would be designed to prevent Iran having nuclear weapons. This whole issue is transparently about a pre emptive strike. Once Iran have the nukes, it's too late, Israel won't attack after that.

I can't see why Israel would attack Iran unless it genuinely felt it's security was at stake by not doing so. They have nothing to gain by attacking Iran if Iran is no threat to them. We are not talking about an occupation or access to Iranian resourses for Israel. A strike at the nuclear facilites would be risky but Israel need to decide if not doing so is the greater risk. It's they not us who will suffer by making the wrong decision.

And I'd like to add that I do not subscribe to the theory that you can automaticaly label the party that fires the first bullet the aggressor. If my back was against a wall in a small room and a man was searching through a drawer for a bullet to load a gun that I belived he would use to shoot me with and I had a baseball bat in my hand I think I might use it. Am I the aggresor?

If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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