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Transsexual Jesus sparks protests About 300 protesters held a candlelit protest outside a Glasgow theatre over the staging of a play which portrays Jesus as a transsexual.
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Whoa. Chrisitans protesting? I mean, weren't they telling muslims to get a thicker skin when muslims were protesting the Danish cartoon critical of the prophet Muhammad? “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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Just because, the artical says Christians, doesn't make all, Christians the same, or one. To be grouped together as One Body, there are so many people that called them selves Christains, some that don't even believe in Christ or his teaching. But call them selves christians. with that being said.....
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The protest was held outside the Tron Theatre, where Jesus Queen of Heaven, in which Christ is a man who wants to become a woman, is being staged.
It is part of the Glasgay! arts festival, a celebration of Scotland's gay, bi-sexual and transsexual culture. What's wrong with pushing the envelope with a possibly gay Jesus? Why does he have to want to be a woman. And then it's put on by a gay organization too. Why is it that every damn thing we have from clubs to parades has to involve us wanting to either dress like, look like, or wanting to become a woman? It's bad enough having straight people think we all secretly want to change our sex but some of us throw that shit out there and give them ammunition to use against us. And I realize that it's a celebration of gay, bisexual, and transexual culture but why in the hell does transsexual always have to be included in every damn thing related to gay people? Gay and transexual are two different things. Andy has spoken dammitt. | |
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what a waste of time. the protest just sparks curiosity in the art/play. I might not agree but now I'd be interested in seeing it.
Glasgay! producer Steven Thomson said: "Jesus Queen of Heaven is a literary work of fiction exploring the artists own personal journey of faith as a transgendered person
that there says it all. this shouldn't be taken as a literal belief in a tranny Christ. artistic expression has been under attack since 0 B.C.E. [Edited 11/4/09 11:15am] | |
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the article said it's a work of fiction & that it's about their own personal journey. What's the big deal? They rn't trying to convert any1 & they rn't claiming it as a fact, it's artistic expression. I don't want to watch it & I don't have to but y protest something like this? Just b/c u can? Let'm put on a play, a movie, write a book, it's a form of expression about themselves. I'm all for artistic rights & self expression, y bottle up how u feel_ guess I answered my own ? about y protest, I suppose that's a form of expression too. |
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redpumps said: Just because, the artical says Christians, doesn't make all, Christians the same, or one. To be grouped together as One Body, there are so many people that called them selves Christains, some that don't even believe in Christ or his teaching. But call them selves christians. with that being said.....
Example we don't say all black African American people or All Russian people..... is this or that, or say this or that. You can't just group and lump people together as one voice.... They may not even believe the same way. It may be better to say that Group, of ..... in your reply..... and not Christians, Cause i didn't say anything to the Muslims about getting thicker skin. And Yeah I would have protested, too just as anyone else that may feel someone or some action offends them or what they believe. If the artical, would have said "a Group of people" were protesting, most likely that Group would have been looked at in a diffenrent light. When to be honest most faiths, take what they believe to be truly serious! If they are really practicing that faith and stand by it. P.S. In The faith I am apart of The Queen of Heaven, is said to be a Harlot and Blood sucking spirit that livies off the souls of Mankind and cause them to error in their ways and turn form God's holy Presence, so yes this would have been a Big deal~ to call Jesus the transsexual Queen of Heaven, so Yes to say the least to that group of people,it may have been a form of Bladen dishonor and worst form of Disrespect.... to some (that Group of people) that believe this (Jesus) a rightous Man or God that became man to save mankind that was said to Give life..... Sorry, redpumps but christians like to label all muslims as radicals. So I am going to label all christians as nut jobs. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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It's fine that You , want to label but, I am a Christian and I'm not labeling muslims so, there in agin.. not all. can be lumped, into the same Group.
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redpumps said: It's fine that You , want to label but, I am a Christian and I'm not labeling muslims so, there in agin.. not all. can be lumped, into the same Group.
And yes, i see a point in any group, and faith or people protesting for what they believe is right or wrong. Christian or not!.... If it's a concern to, someone enough to protest, then it's a big deal to them. And as far as, it being fiction fine, yet there are some who'd get offend'd if George Washington was, portraded As a Transsexual in this manner, and maybe would been a huge or bigger out cry, with all kinds of groups of people. Or I will try and give this example some may be offend'd if there was a Play going on that Was mainly About the community Of people that like same, sex partners or like to dress as, the oppsite sex, Professtional & upstanding,protraited As Demon posscessed. Or as a Animal, any group..... no matter what it's about the heart in the matter art is used as a tool to express ones feelings not everyone is going to like someone elses feelings t is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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redpumps said: Just because, the artical says Christians, doesn't make all, Christians the same, or one. To be grouped together as One Body, there are so many people that called them selves Christains, some that don't even believe in Christ or his teaching. But call them selves christians. with that being said.....
Example we don't say all black African American people or All Russian people..... is this or that, or say this or that. You can't just group and lump people together as one voice.... They may not even believe the same way. It may be better to say that Group, of ..... in your reply..... and not Christians, Cause i didn't say anything to the Muslims about getting thicker skin. And Yeah I would have protested, too just as anyone else that may feel someone or some action offends them or what they believe. If the artical, would have said "a Group of people" were protesting, most likely that Group would have been looked at in a diffenrent light. When to be honest most faiths, take what they believe to be truly serious! If they are really practicing that faith and stand by it. P.S. In The faith I am apart of The Queen of Heaven, is said to be a Harlot and Blood sucking spirit that livies off the souls of Mankind and cause them to error in their ways and turn form God's holy Presence, so yes this would have been a Big deal~ to call Jesus the transsexual Queen of Heaven, so Yes to say the least to that group of people,it may have been a form of Bladen dishonor and worst form of Disrespect.... to some (that Group of people) that believe this ([b]Jesus) a rightous Man or God that became man to save mankind that was said to Give life..... [/b] And I'm equally sure many gays find the teachings of the bible offensive. You don't tend to see them protesting outside churches in glasgow every sunday though. Just more evidence that the faithful think they should be above criticism... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: About 300 protesters held a candlelit protest...
Only 300? Thats cool. In a country of 60 million folk, only that many protested. Just shows how little the UK really cares about religious dogma and fundamentalism. If this play was put on in America, imagine the uproar! It would have been bigger than Janet Jacksons nipple making an impromptu appearance on live TV. "Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye. " - HAL, 2001
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Rebeljuice said: razor said: About 300 protesters held a candlelit protest...
Only 300? Thats cool. In a country of 60 million folk, only that many protested. Just shows how little the UK really cares about religious dogma and fundamentalism. If this play was put on in America, imagine the uproar! It would have been bigger than Janet Jacksons nipple making an impromptu appearance on live TV. Yep, we're blesedly light on fundi's. Goes back to my original comment, I'm glad to live in a country where this is no big deal. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Rebeljuice said: Only 300? Thats cool. In a country of 60 million folk, only that many protested. Just shows how little the UK really cares about religious dogma and fundamentalism. If this play was put on in America, imagine the uproar! It would have been bigger than Janet Jacksons nipple making an impromptu appearance on live TV. Yep, we're blesedly light on fundi's. Goes back to my original comment, I'm glad to live in a country where this is no big deal. They all came out to protest the Jerry Springer musical though, particularly when the BBC showed it. | |
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Dsoul said: razor said: Yep, we're blesedly light on fundi's. Goes back to my original comment, I'm glad to live in a country where this is no big deal. They all came out to protest the Jerry Springer musical though, particularly when the BBC showed it. Oh yeh, remember that. I think its was still only a handful really though (few hundred?) "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Dsoul said: They all came out to protest the Jerry Springer musical though, particularly when the BBC showed it. Oh yeh, remember that. I think its was still only a handful really though (few hundred?) Jerry Springer: The Opera was the subject of controversy beginning in January 2005, when its UK television broadcast on BBC Two elicited 55,000 complaints.[1] The organisation Christian Voice led street protests against the screening at nine BBC offices[2] and announced their intention to bring blasphemy charges, due to the depictions of the Judeo-Christian characters in Act II. The Christian Institute attempted to bring a private prosecution against the BBC,[3] but the Magistrates Court refused to issue a summons, a decision which was later upheld by the High Court of Justice.[4] Protests continued at tour venues in 2006 and on the internet. | |
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Dsoul said: razor said: Oh yeh, remember that. I think its was still only a handful really though (few hundred?) Jerry Springer: The Opera was the subject of controversy beginning in January 2005, when its UK television broadcast on BBC Two elicited 55,000 complaints.[1] The organisation Christian Voice led street protests against the screening at nine BBC offices[2] and announced their intention to bring blasphemy charges, due to the depictions of the Judeo-Christian characters in Act II. The Christian Institute attempted to bring a private prosecution against the BBC,[3] but the Magistrates Court refused to issue a summons, a decision which was later upheld by the High Court of Justice.[4] Protests continued at tour venues in 2006 and on the internet. Ta. I meant the street protests were only a few hundred. But yeh, I'm sure lots of middle-england picked up their phones that day. Although I;m not so sure that's becuase they're all religious, more good old fashioned daily-mail style moral outrage. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Dsoul said: Jerry Springer: The Opera was the subject of controversy beginning in January 2005, when its UK television broadcast on BBC Two elicited 55,000 complaints.[1] The organisation Christian Voice led street protests against the screening at nine BBC offices[2] and announced their intention to bring blasphemy charges, due to the depictions of the Judeo-Christian characters in Act II. The Christian Institute attempted to bring a private prosecution against the BBC,[3] but the Magistrates Court refused to issue a summons, a decision which was later upheld by the High Court of Justice.[4] Protests continued at tour venues in 2006 and on the internet. Ta. I meant the street protests were only a few hundred. But yeh, I'm sure lots of middle-england picked up their phones that day. Although I;m not so sure that's becuase they're all religious, more good old fashioned daily-mail style moral outrage. And their favourite program, probably the antiques roadshow, was cancelled to show Jerry Springer. "Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye. " - HAL, 2001
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redpumps said: It's fine that You , want to label but, I am a Christian and I'm not labeling muslims so, there in agin.. not all. can be lumped, into the same Group.
And yes, i see a point in any group, and faith or people protesting for what they believe is right or wrong. Christian or not!.... If it's a concern to, someone enough to protest, then it's a big deal to them. And as far as, it being fiction fine, yet there are some who'd get offend'd if George Washington was, portraded As a Transsexual in this manner, and maybe would been a huge or bigger out cry, with all kinds of groups of people. Or I will try and give this example some may be offend'd if there was a Play going on that Was mainly About the community Of people that like same, sex partners or like to dress as, the oppsite sex, Professtional & upstanding,protraited As Demon posscessed. Or as a Animal, any group..... no matter what it's about the heart in the matter And again, you can be a christian all you want, but I am going to label you along with the rest of the nut cases out there. To me it is funny. When the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it is ok to protest and complain, it is their right. But let someone else do it, all of a sudden it becomes "get a life" or "grow up". “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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Completely for Freedom in the Arts.
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realm said: Completely for Freedom in the Arts.
It's easy to see thru sometimes. That the artists are just out to create problems/controversy and piss religion off. That's fine but they would have to also live with Art that would attack Gays? If only attacks on gays were as subtle or thoughtful as art. Instead they're daily and mainstream. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: realm said: Completely for Freedom in the Arts.
It's easy to see thru sometimes. That the artists are just out to create problems/controversy and piss religion off. That's fine but they would have to also live with Art that would attack Gays? If only attacks on gays were as subtle or thoughtful as art. Instead they're daily and mainstream. Are you for freedom in the Arts? If someone made art that attacked gays? Are you for or against those freedoms? | |
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realm said: razor said: If only attacks on gays were as subtle or thoughtful as art. Instead they're daily and mainstream. Are you for freedom in the Arts? If someone made art that attacked gays? Are you for or against those freedoms? For, absolutely. But there's no need for us to talk in theoretical terms here. Plays have been made that attack homosexuality. Verbal critcisms of homosexuality take place every day in your country, and to a lesser extent, in mine. In order to defeat ignorance, it has be allowed to speak and be subject to response and debate. As I say, historically (and presently) it is the religious who have been one of the core groups who attempt to shut down critcism. History informs us those who inherently understand that they have weak arguments, and who gain their power from those arguments, seek to restrict disenting voices. [Edited 11/5/09 5:38am] [Edited 11/5/09 5:49am] "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: realm said: Are you for freedom in the Arts? If someone made art that attacked gays? Are you for or against those freedoms? For, absolutely. But there's no need for us to talk in theoretical terms here. Plays have been made that attack homosexuality. Verbal critcisms of homosexuality take place every day in your country, and to a lesser extent, in mine. In order to defeat ignorance, it has be allowed to speak and be subject to response and debate. As I say, historically (and presently) it is the religious who have been one of the core groups who attempt to shut down critcism. History informs us those who inherently understand that they have weak arguments, and who gain their power from those arguments, seek to restrict disenting voices. [Edited 11/5/09 5:38am] [Edited 11/5/09 5:49am] I don't have problem with someones religion believing homosexuality is a sin. I have problems with the overall nasty way/tone that some groups/people attack gays with. Take the 'God Hates Fags' group. It just seems to me when I seen these guys in DC they were just around to yank peoples chains and just wanted to create problems. I guess it can go the other way sometimes? | |
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razor said: redpumps said: Just because, the artical says Christians, doesn't make all, Christians the same, or one. To be grouped together as One Body, there are so many people that called them selves Christains, some that don't even believe in Christ or his teaching. But call them selves christians. with that being said.....
Example we don't say all black African American people or All Russian people..... is this or that, or say this or that. You can't just group and lump people together as one voice.... They may not even believe the same way. It may be better to say that Group, of ..... in your reply..... and not Christians, Cause i didn't say anything to the Muslims about getting thicker skin. And Yeah I would have protested, too just as anyone else that may feel someone or some action offends them or what they believe. If the artical, would have said "a Group of people" were protesting, most likely that Group would have been looked at in a diffenrent light. When to be honest most faiths, take what they believe to be truly serious! If they are really practicing that faith and stand by it. P.S. In The faith I am apart of The Queen of Heaven, is said to be a Harlot and Blood sucking spirit that livies off the souls of Mankind and cause them to error in their ways and turn form God's holy Presence, so yes this would have been a Big deal~ to call Jesus the transsexual Queen of Heaven, so Yes to say the least to that group of people,it may have been a form of Bladen dishonor and worst form of Disrespect.... to some (that Group of people) that believe this ([b]Jesus) a rightous Man or God that became man to save mankind that was said to Give life..... [/b] And I'm equally sure many gays find the teachings of the bible offensive. You don't tend to see them protesting outside churches in glasgow every sunday though. Just more evidence that the faithful think they should be above criticism... Hello, my point was about having the right to be offended and having the right to express that. Did you read the whole reply? Because I mentioned any one or group of people can be offend and if they are or have an issue with something or someone that is of a concern, to them. That I can see why they would protest..... And I stated that yes, I would have had a issue with this as well. However also I made point to say ( if any other group has issues) they should. Also made it a point to say as well, that I would see other groups of People being offended if someone they held as, a (Upright person)or a lardmark person of leadership, were placed in a manner they felt didn't fit, what they believed to be true..... weather art, freedom of expresstion ect.....would most likely protest as well, please read my main point! Which is don't lump people in ..... just because one person or some maybe saying things about, Mulims don't mean all are Because I haven't said anything..... ~~~~~~~ ~4theluvofliFe Micheal Jackson ~ ~~~~~~~ | |
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JellyBean said: redpumps said: It's fine that You , want to label but, I am a Christian and I'm not labeling muslims so, there in agin.. not all. can be lumped, into the same Group.
And yes, i see a point in any group, and faith or people protesting for what they believe is right or wrong. Christian or not!.... If it's a concern to, someone enough to protest, then it's a big deal to them. And as far as, it being fiction fine, yet there are some who'd get offend'd if George Washington was, portraded As a Transsexual in this manner, and maybe would been a huge or bigger out cry, with all kinds of groups of people. Or I will try and give this example some may be offend'd if there was a Play going on that Was mainly About the community Of people that like same, sex partners or like to dress as, the oppsite sex, Professtional & upstanding,protraited As Demon posscessed. Or as a Animal, any group..... no matter what it's about the heart in the matter And again, you can be a christian all you want, but I am going to label you along with the rest of the nut cases out there. To me it is funny. When the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it is ok to protest and complain, it is their right. But let someone else do it, all of a sudden it becomes "get a life" or "grow up". And again You can call me, that .. if you like. Thats your choice as you, seem to know already. But that just shows what I was saying all along. You want to group folks in one bunch. There were people that hung African american (Some a group of) people not (all).That said blacks were not fit to be called men. But were only fit to be slaves & serve. And they called themselves Christians. But do we say now this day? All Christians believe or are that way ? And again any group of people can feel be offended and speak out about it. Yet the moment (Christ)ian..... is put on it. There's attack too! You think the Christians walk is all peaceful ? do You see how many replys of on this thread? And to put it in a better light. I won't call it attack, But all are put to or on Blast. So please don't get it twisted, we all get attacks from time to time, and some all the time. for their life styles faith ect..... ~~~~~~~ ~4theluvofliFe Micheal Jackson ~ ~~~~~~~ | |
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Why am I thinking of Depeche Mode? The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
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Graycap23 said: Why am I thinking of Depeche Mode?
Because of their hit classic Personal Jesus. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often. | |
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