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nosajd said: http://www.youtube.com/user/waltermarrou#p/u/2/CAqhi6myuzQ
Excellent!! "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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nosajd said: http://www.youtube.com/user/waltermarrou#p/u/2/CAqhi6myuzQ
I do agree that christianity has been so tangled up with paganism that even some "christians" don't know where some of their believes originated- i don't, however, agree that everything "Christlike" is derived from numerology and such.  If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: nosajd said: http://www.youtube.com/user/waltermarrou#p/u/2/CAqhi6myuzQ
I do agree that christianity has been so tangled up with paganism that even some "christians" don't know where some of their believes originated- i don't, however, agree that everything "Christlike" is derived from numerology and such. God DAMN there are a lot of dumb motherfuckers walking around! - George Carlin
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Evvy said: nosajd said: http://www.youtube.com/user/waltermarrou#p/u/2/CAqhi6myuzQ
I do agree that christianity has been so tangled up with paganism that even some "christians" don't know where some of their believes originated- i don't, however, agree that everything "Christlike" is derived from numerology and such. nevermind, misread.. [Edited 11/4/09 16:00pm] The org's resident no-so-fancy lesbian 
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johnart said: Evvy said: those who do celebrate- why do you? those who don't- why don't you?
I don't because of the satanic overtones and pagan origins- I would never allow my (future)children to either- it's not "innocent fun" to me.... and you? Do you celebrate Christmas? The Bible says Jesus Christ was born at a time when the Shepards were outdoors watching their flocks by night. This would be in September in the Holy Land. Sooo ...if you count back 9 months it would mean Jesus was conceived on or about...December 25. So much for Christmas only being a pagan holiday. | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: Mach said: I said : A perfect way to honour our Ancestors - to celebrate our harvests of what we have sown and celebrate the cycles of life Yeah - Samhain ( Halloween ) is one of the most sacred sabbats you said : i beleive that only evil forces would encourage that type of stuff- like the occult and ... My traditions have zero to do with "evil" and fear and everything to do about honouring and greatfullness and I really was not trying to come across as defensive I was laughing all the way through your mind is set as is mine - you see evil I see beauty in an occasion to celebrate those that came before us, the bounty and harvests of life and the cycles that fule us no worries  And people still think that the pentacle is a satanist symbol..... Ummm...the pentagram is a five point star with the point pointing down contained in a circle. The five points of the star fit in with a head of a goat the two top points being his horns, the next two his ears, and the bottom point his chin hair. In the Bible it talks about the goats and the sheep, the goats being those who worship the devil and the sheep being those who worship God. It may be true that the pentagram was a symbol from ancient times, but it has certainly been adopted by Satanists in modern times. | |
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I suggest reading the INTIRE page of info on Pentacle/ Pentagram to those that want a more informed/balanced perspective and then search out other info on the symbol as well
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Mach said: I suggest reading the INTIRE page of info on Pentacle/ Pentagram to those that want a more informed/balanced perspective and then search out other info on the symbol as well
http://www.answers.com/topic/pentacle  
Riding your guy's logic train all crosses are signs of Satan because sometimes people wear them upside down. The org's resident no-so-fancy lesbian
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Evvy said: nosajd said: http://www.youtube.com/user/waltermarrou#p/u/2/CAqhi6myuzQ
I do agree that christianity has been so tangled up with paganism that even some "christians" don't know where some of their believes originated- i don't, however, agree that everything "Christlike" is derived from numerology and such. On what basis? What sources do you have other than the bible which leads you to such a conclusion? "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Evvy said: I do agree that christianity has been so tangled up with paganism that even some "christians" don't know where some of their believes originated- i don't, however, agree that everything "Christlike" is derived from numerology and such. On what basis? What sources do you have other than the bible which leads you to such a conclusion? I know that people believe things based on the level of tangible evidence- however, one of the things that makes life so special to me is the nature of how miraculousy made our human bodies are- just thinking of the science of human conception - that in of itself is a "source" in which I base my beliefs- it is something so complex that we don't have all the info neither can we fully explain how it happens- but that one thing has given us a world of people and cultures- it's wonderful If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: razor said: [/b]
On what basis? What sources do you have other than the bible which leads you to such a conclusion? I know that people believe things based on the level of tangible evidence- however, one of the things that makes life so special to me is the nature of how miraculousy made our human bodies are- just thinking of the science of human conception - that in of itself is a "source" in which I base my beliefs- it is something so complex that we don't have all the info neither can we fully explain how it happens- but that one thing has given us a world of people and cultures- it's wonderful Sure. But even of one beleives in ID, I'm not clear what that has to do with the Jesus myth specifically? It may lead one to be a deist, but it says nothing about the christian god, or Jesus. To put it another way, believing there is a creator becuase of the "miraculouness" of human existence does not, in itself, lend anything to the specific claims of christianity as opposed to any other religion or god story. But to repond to your comments on human existence and its complexity, I agree, its leaves one in awe. But in awe of nature, not god. Because its far from the case that we don't understand it. We understand extraordinarily well how humans were "created" and how our bodies are formed. We understand how complexity can evolve from simplicity; how complex organs can (and have) develop. How we relate (literally) to our fellow animals. Study evolution; you may find that gives you all the awe you need... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Evvy said: I know that people believe things based on the level of tangible evidence- however, one of the things that makes life so special to me is the nature of how miraculousy made our human bodies are- just thinking of the science of human conception - that in of itself is a "source" in which I base my beliefs- it is something so complex that we don't have all the info neither can we fully explain how it happens- but that one thing has given us a world of people and cultures- it's wonderful Sure. But even of one beleives in ID, I'm not clear what that has to do with the Jesus myth specifically? It may lead one to be a deist, but it says nothing about the christian god, or Jesus. To put it another way, believing there is a creator becuase of the "miraculouness" of human existence does not, in itself, lend anything to the specific claims of christianity as opposed to any other religion or god story. But to repond to your comments on human existence and its complexity, I agree, its leaves one in awe. But in awe of nature, not god. Because its far from the case that we don't understand it. We understand extraordinarily well how humans were "created" and how our bodies are formed. We understand how complexity can evolve from simplicity; how complex organs can (and have) develop. How we relate (literally) to our fellow animals. Study evolution; you may find that gives you all the awe you need...  this poor thread has gone way off track... If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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razor said: Evvy said: that is so true- there are things that "some" Christians do that are clearly pagan- i'm glad you mentioned that It wider than that. There are things that every christian does or believes that are pagan in origin. AS SFT said, christianity is syncretic. My point exactly. Just look at Christian rituals - the Lord's supper as well as baptism are deeply rooted in ancient greek and jewish ritual practices. | |
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Mach said: I suggest reading the INTIRE page of info on Pentacle/ Pentagram to those that want a more informed/balanced perspective and then search out other info on the symbol as well
http://www.answers.com/topic/pentacle I did read the ENTIRE (I think that's what you meant to say Mach) aritcle and it didn't change the fact that the pentagram is now a Satanic symbol, as I said. | |
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Nikademus said: Mach said: I suggest reading the INTIRE page of info on Pentacle/ Pentagram to those that want a more informed/balanced perspective and then search out other info on the symbol as well
http://www.answers.com/topic/pentacle
Riding your guy's logic train all crosses are signs of Satan because sometimes people wear them upside down. Actually, the upside down cross was originally Peter's Cross, the disciple of Christ who asked to be crucified upside down because he felt he wasn't worthy of being crucified like Jesus was, because he denied knowing Him three times. [Edited 11/5/09 14:10pm] | |
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markpeg said: Nikademus said:
Riding your guy's logic train all crosses are signs of Satan because sometimes people wear them upside down. Actually, the upside down cross was originally Peter's Cross, the disciple of Christ who asked to be crucified upside down because he felt he wasn't worthy of being crucified like Jesus was, because he denied knowing Him three times. [Edited 11/5/09 14:10pm] That may be true, but if you apply the same logic as you did when you said that pentacles are all satanic because one form of it it had been given that meaning, then all crosses are therefore satanic due to the fact that some people wear them upside down for satanic reasons. The org's resident no-so-fancy lesbian
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Because in the Southern Hemisphere, its not late autumn and spooky looking. Here its late spring and it dosen't get dark until after 8pm at this time of year. We think its too American as well, stuff like pumpkin pies (You can't harvest pumpkin until March or April here. All my life, Marge I have been a obese man trapped in a fat mans body, Famous Homerism | |
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Huggiebear said: Because in the Southern Hemisphere, its not late autumn and spooky looking. Here its late spring and it dosen't get dark until after 8pm at this time of year. We think its too American as well, stuff like pumpkin pies (You can't harvest pumpkin until March or April here.
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Another thread that makes me wish that the rapture would happen and all you freaks would get off the damn planet and let the sane ones actually care for it for a change.
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Evvy said: razor said: Sure. But even of one beleives in ID, I'm not clear what that has to do with the Jesus myth specifically? It may lead one to be a deist, but it says nothing about the christian god, or Jesus. To put it another way, believing there is a creator becuase of the "miraculouness" of human existence does not, in itself, lend anything to the specific claims of christianity as opposed to any other religion or god story. But to repond to your comments on human existence and its complexity, I agree, its leaves one in awe. But in awe of nature, not god. Because its far from the case that we don't understand it. We understand extraordinarily well how humans were "created" and how our bodies are formed. We understand how complexity can evolve from simplicity; how complex organs can (and have) develop. How we relate (literally) to our fellow animals. Study evolution; you may find that gives you all the awe you need... this poor thread has gone way off track...Thats ok. Threads are dynamic things and find their own directions. So feel free to respond to the points made... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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Nikademus said: markpeg said: Actually, the upside down cross was originally Peter's Cross, the disciple of Christ who asked to be crucified upside down because he felt he wasn't worthy of being crucified like Jesus was, because he denied knowing Him three times. [Edited 11/5/09 14:10pm] That may be true, but if you apply the same logic as you did when you said that pentacles are all satanic because one form of it it had been given that meaning, then all crosses are therefore satanic due to the fact that some people wear them upside down for satanic reasons. Indeed they MUST be 
Symbols of Satanic (tourture diveces) worn on the neck for all to see good lord above it MUST be true
Christians that choose to wear the santanc symbol of a torture divice surely must be in good with Satan EVIL I say EVIL every last one Jesus ... 
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Evvy said: SFT said: Christianity as such has 'pagan' origins. Like all cultural forms it is inherently syncretic.
that is so true- there are things that "some" Christians do that are clearly pagan- i'm glad you mentioned that Do people in your religion have weddings? Do the brides wear white gowns and wedding veils? Walk down the aisle? How about wearing wedding rings? All are of pagan origin. As are the names of the days and months. Everything is pagan. Do some real research into the origins of the Hebrew God YHWH. You will be surprised to find where he fits in the pagan pantheon. Basically Yhwh is supposed to be one of the 72 sons of 'El "The Bull" and Asherah from the Ugaritic pantheon, along with Baal They have some pretty steamy scenes together in the Ugaritic epic poetry (see Baal Cycle) Yhwh, in an oedipus scenario avant la lettre, kills his father'El and gets his position, he also murders his brother gods (ps 82) Yhwh and Baal merge (that's why Yhwh is honoured as storm-rider in some psalms) (edit: and suddenly lives on mount Zaphon, the mount of Baal (ps 48) In the end, YHWH effectively becomes the husband of Asherah He is such a nice god-or is he? http://www.bibleinterp.co...eism.shtml Oh and the Song of Solomon is all about the lovely Goddess Ashtoreth. You see, it is all pagan, [Edited 11/6/09 6:43am] "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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Mach said:  I found Christian Satantc symbols Mixed with Pagan ones
" Christian Witches Artwork " 
Good GOD even GOD is Satanic
"This drawing has the Tetragrammaton (God's name in Hebrew) in the center, also depicting the elements and colors associated with each point." 
 I know some lovely Christian pagans  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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shellyevon said: Mach said: I found Christian Satantc symbols Mixed with Pagan ones
" Christian Witches Artwork "
Good GOD even GOD is Satanic
"This drawing has the Tetragrammaton (God's name in Hebrew) in the center, also depicting the elements and colors associated with each point."
I know some lovely Christian pagans I spent some time this morning reading about Christian Witches and Pagan Christians Interesting and fun |
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lazycrockett said: Another thread that makes me wish that the rapture would happen and all you freaks would get off the damn planet and let the sane ones actually care for it for a change.
N I'll take a pagan holiday that's about the renewal of the earth, than some dude that got hung on a cross came back a couple days later and basically said "see ya fools....".  Ha is that Captain Planet on the cross? If only he was the messiah. | |
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lazycrockett said: Another thread that makes me wish that the rapture would happen and all you freaks would get off the damn planet and let the sane ones actually care for it for a change.
N I'll take a pagan holiday that's about the renewal of the earth, than some dude that got hung on a cross came back a couple days later and basically said "see ya fools....". Be sure to be buried in a fireproof suit, you're going to need it. | |
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johnart said: razor said: Tip: Marinade with a garlic and rosemary sauce, turn oven down to 120 degress and slow roast for 3 hours. Comes out more tender that way.....so I've heard.. I'm drizzling it ever so slightly with some puree of kitten-innards, for a little extra "tang". bat entrails instead of kitten-innards is much zestier. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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I'm now taking bets on the possibility that Evvy doesn't even wish other people "Merry Christmas", nor give her children presents then or for that matter decorate just a little bit for either Christmas or Easter.
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