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Evvy said: those who do celebrate- why do you? those who don't- why don't you?
I don't because of the satanic overtones and pagan origins- I would never allow my (future)children to either- it's not "innocent fun" to me.... and you? I don't celebrate Halloween because I think it makes accepting Satan and satanic things "alright" for a day, and it is never alright with me. Also it's a huge grab for money by the stores, and that just irks me too. Thanks for posting this topic Evvy. | |
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Teacher said: Evvy said: but  at you belittling my beliefs and opinions- I thought we had agreed to disagree concerning "restless spirits and the walking dead"- but I see there is more fun in trying to "call" me out whilst screaming toleranceWell, so how do you celebrate Easter and Xmas, and do you acknowledge that they too have pagan origins? yes maam I do realise their pagan origins and heavy commercial support- it's interesting that you ask how I celebrate- implying that I do 
If I did want to speak on that-judging from how you handled my opinions in this thread- you'd no doubt tell me I have alot to learn- i'm all ears... there have been several other people in this thread who share aspects of my beliefs, however , you continue to bait me- not conversate with me  If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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JellyBean said: Because this is my favorite time of year. I love the cool colors; Orange and Black. I love the themes that people create. Some people can be very creative. I love having Halloween parties or going to one. Again, people have some cool ideas. And the biggest reason, I teach 4th grade, so every Halloween seeing the little kids and the big kids dress up in some of the coolest gear, makes me so happy. Or when the little ones walk the halls showing off their gear...priceless.
I teach high school. We have a BALL dressing up! 
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I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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how do you feel about Dia De Los Muertos? it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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noimageatall said: peb319 said: ummmm i didn't either that's why i said what i said i'm 40 and i still want to go trick or treating..i love seeing the kids in costumes and having fun.. i didn't compare kkk with halloween.. she made a statement about IF the KKK were to begin a children's day where they dressed up in hoodies and passed out candy she (evvy) wouldn't endorse it'' I know YOU didn't, peb. I was referring to evvy's post.  k...
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Nikademus said: peb319 said: ummmm i didn't either that's why i said what i said i'm 40 and i still want to go trick or treating..i love seeing the kids in costumes and having fun.. i didn't compare kkk with halloween.. she made a statement about IF the KKK were to begin a children's day where they dressed up in hoodies and passed out candy she (evvy) wouldn't endorse it'' It's not a valid comparison...the KKK are not a religion. this i know... http://www.myyearbook.com/peb319
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Evvy said: I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all
Samhain was the name of the month the first day of which was the Celtic New Year where your ancestors were invited home and townsfolk dressed up to confuse the unwelcomed spirits. it was celebrated unchanged up until the midAges. at least get your facts straight it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Imago said: So, original baiter---do you think pagans and their traditions pose the same danger to society as the KKK?
Or are you just terribly inarticulate at explaining your closed views on life? 
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all
Samhain was the name of the month the first day of which was the Celtic New Year where your ancestors were invited home and townsfolk dressed up to confuse the unwelcomed spirits. it was celebrated unchanged up until the midAges. at least get your facts straight and here you go with your "at least" and get your facts straight- show me reference books where you got your info and I'll show you twice as many that say what I stated- it's all hypocrosy really- some fact somewhere got turned into a ficticious story where I have noted that the one point of "dead spirits" roaming the earth seems to be constant. - get your facts straight concerning my opinion in this thread before you add your 
ugggghhh- such NASTINESS If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: ehuffnsd said: Samhain was the name of the month the first day of which was the Celtic New Year where your ancestors were invited home and townsfolk dressed up to confuse the unwelcomed spirits. it was celebrated unchanged up until the midAges. at least get your facts straight and here you go with your "at least" and get your facts straight- show me reference books where you got your info and I'll show you twice as many that say what I stated- it's all hypocrosy really- some fact somewhere got turned into a ficticious story where I have noted that the one point of "dead spirits" roaming the earth seems to be constant. - get your facts straight concerning my opinion in this thread before you add your
ugggghhh- such NASTINESS the most common Irish Deities A * Abhean * Aed * Aengus * Aoi Mac Ollamain B * Balor * Bodb Derg * Brea * Bres * Brian * Buarainech C * Cichol Gricenchos * Cicolluis * Conand C cont. * Corb * Creidhne * Crom Cruach * Crom Dubh D * The Dagda * Dian Cecht * Donn E * Ecne * Egobail * Elatha G * Goibniu I * Iuchar * Iucharba L * Lir * Luchtaine * Lugh M * Manannán mac Lir * Midir * Mug Ruith N * Nechtan (mythology) * Neit * Nuada Airgetlám O * Ogma T * Tethra Months * January - Eanáir * February - Feabhra * March - Márta * April - Aibreán * May - Bealtaine * June - Meitheamh * July - Iúil * August - Lúnasa * September - Meán Fómhair * October - Deireadh Fómhair * November - Samhain or Mí na Samhna * December - Nollaig or Mí na Nollag it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Evvy said: I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: and here you go with your "at least" and get your facts straight- show me reference books where you got your info and I'll show you twice as many that say what I stated- it's all hypocrosy really- some fact somewhere got turned into a ficticious story where I have noted that the one point of "dead spirits" roaming the earth seems to be constant. - get your facts straight concerning my opinion in this thread before you add your
ugggghhh- such NASTINESS the most common Irish Deities A * Abhean * Aed * Aengus * Aoi Mac Ollamain B * Balor * Bodb Derg * Brea * Bres * Brian * Buarainech C * Cichol Gricenchos * Cicolluis * Conand C cont. * Corb * Creidhne * Crom Cruach * Crom Dubh D * The Dagda * Dian Cecht * Donn E * Ecne * Egobail * Elatha G * Goibniu I * Iuchar * Iucharba L * Lir * Luchtaine * Lugh M * Manannán mac Lir * Midir * Mug Ruith N * Nechtan (mythology) * Neit * Nuada Airgetlám O * Ogma T * Tethra Months * January - Eanáir * February - Feabhra * March - Márta * April - Aibreán * May - Bealtaine * June - Meitheamh * July - Iúil * August - Lúnasa * September - Meán Fómhair * October - Deireadh Fómhair * November - Samhain or Mí na Samhna * December - Nollaig or Mí na Nollag I understand and also read this and "Many conservative Christian and secular sources are definitely wrong; there is/was no Celtic God of the Dead. The Great God Samhain appears to have been invented in the 18th century, as a God of the Dead before the ancient Celtic people and their religion were studied by historians and archaeologists. McBain's Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language says that 'samhuinn' (the Scots Gaelic spelling) means 'summer's end'..." The Celts observed only two seasons of the year: summer and winter. So, Samhain was celebrated at one of the transitions between these seasons. Samhain is pronounced "sah-van" or "sow-in" (where "ow" rhymes with "cow"). Samhain is Irish Gaelic for the month of November. Samhuin is Scottish Gaelic for All Hallows, NOV-1. A language expert has commented that the "mh" in Samhain and Samhuin "would originally have been pronounced like an "m" made without quite closing your mouth." At the present time, the original pronunciation is still heard. Some tighten it to a "v" sound (typical in the south) or loosen it to a "w" sound (typical in the west and, especially, the north). In "Samhain" the "w" pronunciation would be most common." 20 There are many sources supporting the conclusion that Samhain refers to the festival, not a God of the Dead. They come from Celtic, Druidic, Irish, and Wiccan individuals and groups: Wiccan web site "Brightest Blessings" mentions: "Samhain (October 31), most often recognized as our New Year, is also called Ancestor Night. It represented the final harvest, when the crops were safely stored for the coming Winter. As the veil between the worlds of life and death is thin on this night, we take this time to remember our beloved dead." http://www.religioustoler...llo_sa.htm but how did this get turned into this and accepted: History traces Halloween back to the ancient religion of the Celtics. The Celtic people were very conscious of the spiritual world and had their own ideas of how they could gain access to it - such as by helping their over 300 gods to defeat their enemies in battle, or by imitating the gods in showing cleverness and cunning. Their two main feasts were Beltane at the beginning of summer (May 1), and Samhain at the end of summer (Nov. 1). They believed Samhain was a time when the division between the two worlds became very thin, when hostile supernatural forces were active and ghosts and spirits were free to wander as they wished. The Celtic priests who carried out the rituals in the open air were called Druids, members of pagan orders in Britain, Ireland and Gaul, who generally performed their rituals by offering sacrifices, usually of animals, but sometimes of humans, in order to placate the gods; ensuring that the sun would return after the winter; and frightening away evil spirits. To the Celtics, the bonfire represented the sun and was used to aid the Druid in his fight with dark powers. The term bonfire comes from the words "bone fire," literally meaning the bones of sacrificed animals, sometimes human, were piled in a field with timber and set ablaze. All fires except those of the Druids were extinguished on Samhain and householders were levied a fee to relight their holy fire which burned at their altars. During the Festival of Samhain, fires would be lit which would burn all through the winter and sacrifices would be offered to the gods on the fires. This practice of burning humans was stopped around 1600, and an effigy was sometimes burned instead. Samhain was the supreme night of demonic jubilation. Spirits of the dead would rise out of their graves and wander the countryside, trying to return to the homes where they formerly lived. Frightened villagers tried to appease these wandering spirits by offering them gifts of fruit and nuts. This is the origin of our present day "trick-or-treat." They began the tradition of placing plates of the finest food and bits of treats that the household had to offer on their doorsteps, as gifts, to appease the hunger of the ghostly wanderers. If not placated, villagers feared that the spirits would kill their flocks or destroy their property. The problem was... if the souls of dead loved ones could return that night, so could anything else, human or not, nice or not-so-nice. The only thing the superstitious people knew to do to protect themselves on such an occasion was to masquerade as one of the demonic hoard, and hopefully blend in unnoticed among them. Wearing masks and other disguises and blackening the face with soot were originally ways of hiding oneself from the spirits of the dead who might be roaming around. This is the origin of Halloween masquerading as devils, imps, ogres, and other demonic creatures. Trick or Treat has been thought to have come from a European custom called "souling". Beggars would go from village to village begging for "soul cakes" made out of square pieces of bread with currants. The more soul cakes the beggars would receive, the more prayers they would promise to say on behalf of the dead relatives of the donors. At the time, it was believed that the dead remained in limbo for a time after death, and that prayer, even by strangers could guarantee a soul's passage to heaven http://lifeandtruth.com/halloween.htm I dont accept this holiday as being innocent fun- again I say- I think its laced with satanic influence If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: I don't because of the satanic overtones and pagan origins- I would never allow my (future)children to either- it's not "innocent fun" to me.... and you? i take it you don't celeberate christmas or easter either?; because they were both of "pagan origin" "Sisters and brothers in the purple underground, find peace of mind in the pop sound!"
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Apparently the etymology of the word "Samhain"
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I celebrate Halloween b/c it's fun. I enjoy watching gruesome horror flix all month long & decorating, carving pumpkins, handing out candy, seeing all the costumes.
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Evvy said: I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all
even your own post shows you don't have your facts straight. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead- when this was not necessarily fact yet maybe fiction- yet the whole story of him supposedly allowing "dead spirits" to roam the earth and scare others has survived and evolved into scary and satanic rituals- that have been in fact accepted as easy as giving candy to a baby -which in itself is not bad at all
even your own post shows you don't have your facts straight. reading is fundamental..... If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: ehuffnsd said: even your own post shows you don't have your facts straight. reading is fundamental..... quote from you I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead-
YOU WERE WRONG it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said:[quote] Evvy said: quote from you I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead-
YOU WERE WRONG and that fragment was continued with another stating that that may not necessarily fact but fictitious If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: ehuffnsd said: YOU WERE WRONG and that fragment was continued with another stating that that may not necessarily fact but fictitious doesn't matter in a debate you debate facts. by using something that isn't true it negates your ability to debate the subject. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Christianity as such has 'pagan' origins. Like all cultural forms it is inherently syncretic. | |
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SFT said: Christianity as such has 'pagan' origins. Like all cultural forms it is inherently syncretic.
that is so true- there are things that "some" Christians do that are clearly pagan- i'm glad you mentioned that If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. | |
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Evvy said: SFT said: Christianity as such has 'pagan' origins. Like all cultural forms it is inherently syncretic.
that is so true- there are things that "some" Christians do that are clearly pagan- i'm glad you mentioned that It wider than that. There are things that every christian does or believes that are pagan in origin. AS SFT said, christianity is syncretic. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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ehuffnsd said:[quote] Evvy said: quote from you I think that the hypocrosy in all of this is very telling- from the Celtic God Samhain and the beliefs that he in fact was the God of the Dead-
YOU WERE WRONG arguing with folks who cannot examine their own, uninformed interpretation of events (despite all evidence to the contrary!) is frustrating isn't it?
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