Exactly. That's why I admire and respect his views on topics regarding racism and other social ills. Even when we have differing opinions on these topics. He doesn't take it to the personal or child-like level or take the cheap way out, by using insults at the person he is in conversation with, or result in name-calling and false accusations in the case of a bruised ego, if he doesn't agree with someone's opinion on the topic. He is well liked in this forum for his straightforward stance.

2elijah said:

It's funny...some of these Internet Tough Guys/Gals come in here talking shit to anyone with a different view, yet Mutha gets banned.

Fauxie said:

Better then an insult though huh...

2elijah said:

With a lot of white people though (the younger ones and the ones that aren't prejudice), I don't see a lot of their comments as racist but just kind of naive and not knowing any better.

Thank you darlin', your one of my favorites over in this section too.

As far as name calling goes, I see no need for it since we are discussing topics in general and not discussing each other individually. I'm not above name calling though but I only resort to it (here on the org that is) when someone else starts it first. Then, I go after that person with both barrels.

A lot of white people understanding prejudice is if you've gone through some of it yourself. Such as a white person dating a black person and catches flack from both sides both white and black, or being close personal friends with black people (not just school or at work but at home and going out and doing things with them as personal friends). When you catch that prejudice yourself from white people who hate what you're doing, then you start to understand more. You can never fully understand 100% because you don't walk in their shoes every second of every day just like no one would ever fully understand what gays, asians, or latinos go through 100% fully, but when you catch some hell yourself, you definately can relate.

With a lot of white people though (the younger ones and the ones that aren't prejudice), I don't see a lot of their comments as racist but just kind of naive and not knowing any better. I've seen for myself even down here in Mississippi, that prejudice has gone underground. It still alive and well but people are keeping their words to themselves more rather than blurting them in your face on a daily basis like they used to. If a non prejudice younger white person isn't around many black people on a daily basis or there aren't many black people that live in their area or in their neighborhood, I can see why they may think that racism has almost gone because they don't really hear too many white people make racist remarks because there's not enough black people around that would make the racists start talking their talk.

vainandy said:

They should get informed and listen to Tim Wise. That cat breaks it down.

vainandy said:

Thank you vain, and I appreciate that. I've learned a lot from you and other orgers that have been in your situation, and appreciate your real, life stories. I believe though, that there are some that don't want to accept that racism exists. The level of it varies from state to state in the U.S., and depending on the social and economic environment(s) you're in. Many that I know that deal with it on a day-to-day basis, on various levels, more or less know how to deal with it, and go on with their daily lives, not allowing that/those experiences to put a block on their dreams/aspirations or goals. I have no problem discussing race-related issues, because I don't fear it and not afraid to hear the ugly details or the destruction it has caused in many lives over time. To me, it's basically, just another social reality that I can discuss at comfort, but at the same time, will never sugar-coat the reality of it, and often the reality is, there are harsh/ugly details involved. I also appreciate that you don't "sugar-coat" the issue either, and see it for what it is, instead of what you want it to be or don't want to hear about it.

Anyhow, ignorance is surely one of the biggest contributors to racism, and like I've said many times, if everyone took personal responsibility and make an effort to educate themselves on various races/religions/cultures, etc., instead of falling for the racial stereotypes to define a specific group, you will see less of these stereotypcial images or racist mockery, used as a "main" source of one's education on race/religious/ethnic groups. All it takes is a little effort.
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Well, when rappers like Lil' Wayne and Lil' John stop looking like two dollar minstrel-grill-wearing-tap dancing-speaking-bad grammar-shoe shining-pants-hanging off their asses--yezzzza-uh huh-uh-huh-ya-heh-me jackasses, then people can't get mad when someone goes out and imitate the way they look...and yes, I took it there.

I mean their images speak loud and clear and it is the image they created for themselves:

2elijah said:

i agree with u this foolish bling bling ebonics nonsense needs to STOP and black people need to STOP perpetuating these NASTY stereotypes and GET AN EDUCATION it amazes me how Lil Wanye has a degree but yet STILL keeps up these NEGATIVE image of us we cant blame the white man for this one we put this shit on ourselves

SUPRMAN said:

I don't think she means ignorance as in someone being stupid or a dumbass. I think she means ignorant as in a white person simply not knowing anything about black people because they've never been around them and all they have seen is the negative images on TV. The same goes for black people also. I went to school in a suburb of Jackson and the school was around 70% white and 30% black. I never encountered "why don't you buy me a beer" or "you white folks all have money" until I started hanging in all black clubs in Jackson after I was grown. It used to totally piss me off and I couldn't understand it until a friend of mine told me...."Most of those folks grew up in the ghettos of Jackson and went to all black schools. The only white people they ever were exposed to were the The Ewings, The Carringtons, and The Colbys", in other words, the ones they saw on TV. I never encountered that in school though because the blacks that went to school with me saw not only the rich whites, but the middle class, the poor, and the redneck trailer park trash.

As for smoking though, I'm a smoker myself and I didn't start as a teenager out of ignorance, I started because of peer pressure. I was fully aware of all the danger advertisements against smoking but peer pressure works on teens much moreso than seeing danger advertisements against smoking on TV. Peer pressure also works with racism too. If a white child is around a lot of other kids who are prejudiced, most of them aren't going to want to go against the crowd. It takes guts.

2elijah said:

It's funny...some of these Internet Tough Guys/Gals come in here talking shit to anyone with a different view, yet Mutha gets banned.

Thank you darlin', your one of my favorites over in this section too.

As far as name calling goes, I see no need for it since we are discussing topics in general and not discussing each other individually. I'm not above name calling though but I only resort to it (here on the org that is) when someone else starts it first. Then, I go after that person with both barrels.

A lot of white people understanding prejudice is if you've gone through some of it yourself. Such as a white person dating a black person and catches flack from both sides both white and black, or being close personal friends with black people (not just school or at work but at home and going out and doing things with them as personal friends). When you catch that prejudice yourself from white people who hate what you're doing, then you start to understand more. You can never fully understand 100% because you don't walk in their shoes every second of every day just like no one would ever fully understand what gays, asians, or latinos go through 100% fully, but when you catch some hell yourself, you definately can relate.

With a lot of white people though (the younger ones and the ones that aren't prejudice), I don't see a lot of their comments as racist but just kind of naive and not knowing any better. I've seen for myself even down here in Mississippi, that prejudice has gone underground. It still alive and well but people are keeping their words to themselves more rather than blurting them in your face on a daily basis like they used to. If a non prejudice younger white person isn't around many black people on a daily basis or there aren't many black people that live in their area or in their neighborhood, I can see why they may think that racism has almost gone because they don't really hear too many white people make racist remarks because there's not enough black people around that would make the racists start talking their talk.

Has that annoying 'sweetie' shit stopped yet?

KatSkrizzle said:

you may not agree with me, that's fine and having a discussion/debate is fine. But you don't need to insult me with every post you respond to of mine. act like an adult please.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I see...I just can't take a person that gets their news and info from Fox seriously.....

KatSkrizzle said:

oh grow up. I'm not a fan of fox news either but that video had a point. You probably didn't even watch the video.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I'm grown, sugar lump. The whole "White Face" fiasco...just was so funny that I had to engage...for 10 pages! Folks! White Face... Gimme a break I think this is getting to be whole lot like So I'm out!