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blonde dallas cowboy cheerleader goes black for halloween







i think this is horrible that folks would even condone this sort of dumbfuckery
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Reply #1 posted 11/01/09 11:57am

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Haven't you heard?
Blackface is back with an ugly vengeance. disbelief

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Reply #2 posted 11/01/09 12:00pm

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Haven't you heard?
Blackface is back with an ugly vengeance. disbelief

but why would them sista's co-sign that shit? seems like harry connick the only one who's gonna say how crummy this shit is? mad

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Reply #3 posted 11/01/09 12:03pm

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black people do whiteface as well. Make fun of white people a lot too. Say racist things about white people as well. The movie, White Chicks, anyone? IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

black people do whiteface as well. Make fun of white people a lot too. Say racist things about white people as well. The movie, White Chicks, anyone? IT GOES BOTH WAYS.


Yeah, I hate that shit with a passion. But black folks do the same stuff and until there's equal outrage it'll continue.

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Reply #5 posted 11/01/09 12:16pm

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Whiteface is funny, blackface isn't.

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

black people do whiteface as well. Make fun of white people a lot too. Say racist things about white people as well. The movie, White Chicks, anyone? IT GOES BOTH WAYS.


You know, I saw 3 teens out yesterday that had put on white make-up (they were black) to dress as the Twilight vamps and I was just thinking to myself how this is considered 'okay' but if it were reversed, it would be 'racist'.

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I really don't see how people equate "whiteface" with "blackface". If anyone can, I'm all ears.

BTW, I think what this chick did was dumb as hell, but I don't see it as racist. And if she is racist, she's a dumb bitch for allowing people to take a picture of her.

Tomorrow. she make news "apologizing" saying "she didn't mean to offend anyone". rolleyes

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Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder"; was there outrage or did I miss it?

Last time I checked the outrage was over something about mentally challenged people...not blackface

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Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder"; was there outrage or did I miss it?

Last time I checked the outrage was over something about mentally challenged people...not blackface
I have no idea why people thought Robert Downey Jr. was funny in that movie.

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I have no idea why people thought Robert Downey Jr. was funny in that movie.


- Lol I didn't see it so idk either

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Reply #12 posted 11/01/09 12:43pm

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Well, when rappers like Lil' Wayne and Lil' John stop looking like two dollar minstrel-grill-wearing-tap dancing-speaking-bad grammar-shoe shining-pants-hanging off their asses--yezzzza-uh huh-uh-huh-ya-heh-me jackasses, then people can't get mad when someone goes out and imitate the way they look...and yes, I took it there.

I mean their images speak loud and clear and it is the image they created for themselves:


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Mstrustme said:

Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder"; was there outrage or did I miss it?

Last time I checked the outrage was over something about mentally challenged people...not blackface
I have no idea why people thought Robert Downey Jr. was funny in that movie.



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http://latimesblogs.latim...at-th.html

Celebrating Robert Downey Jr.'s blackface at the Oscars? (The week we inaugurate Obama?)

It appears all but certain -- based on nominations for a Golden Globe, SAG, Broadcast Film Critics Award, Satellite Award and even a BAFTA Award; widespread praise from critics; and the vocal support of his peers -- that Robert Downey Jr. will receive a best supporting actor Oscar nomination on Jan. 22 for his performance in the summer comedy "Tropic Thunder." Maybe it's just me, but I find that pretty shocking.

Because comedies don't usually get nominated for Oscars, you ask? No, because people wearing blackface don't usually win widespread approval in this day and age.

In the film, Downey plays Kirk Lazarus, an Australian actor who has won five Oscars and recently undergone an operation to alter his skin pigmentation to portray a black soldier in his next film. He has also donned an Afro wig and attended "Ebonics vocal training" in order to play the part.


Look, I get it -- I'm no bluenose prude -- it's so absurd and over-the-top that it's not meant to be taken seriously. Still, I can't help but feel a certain degree of shock and dismay that the Academy might well hold up and nominate this type of performance, regardless of its intentions, in the 21st century, and just two days after Barack Obama is sworn into office and becomes our nation's first black president.

Where is the outrage? I posed that question to Mark Feeney, who is (a) my friend, (b) the Pulitzer Prize-winning arts critic for the Boston Globe, (c) a big fan of Downey's performance, (d) white, and (e) as far from racist as anyone could possibly be. Here's what he had to say:

I think there are three primary reasons for the lack of criticism. First, the movie's so wildly outrageous, not to mention so ecumenical in its eagerness to offend, that getting worked up over it would be a mite silly. (If anything, the physically handicapped -- and agents! -- have a lot more to complain about.) Second, criticism *is* voiced -- within the movie -- by [actor/real African American] Brandon T. Jackson's character. It's a case of heading 'em off at the pass. Finally, it's pretty plain that [director] Ben Stiller is your basic Hollywood liberal (Downey too); so it's not as if they're either unaware of what's going on or, certainly, trying to be racist; if anything, they're seeking to mock on-screen racism.

That's as strong of a circumstantial defense as anyone could make, but I guess I just can't imagine any circumstance under which a blackface performance would be acceptable, any more than than I can imagine any circumstance under which the use of the N-word would be acceptable.

Further, Downey himself acknowledged that Jackson's part was added only after Stiller and screenwriter Justin Theroux realized they needed to try to preemptively temper anger about a white person playing a black person by having a black character criticize him for doing so. ("They had him saying things to my character like, 'Dude, you are so stereotyping yourself' and 'I am so embarrassed for you' and 'You wouldn't last a minute in my neighbourhood,'" Downey recalled.) Though Jackson now supports the film, he has said he was initially shocked by the script ("I was like, 'What? Blackface?'") and only agreed to play the part after the script's one use of the N-word was removed.

You can sugarcoat it all you want, but blackface is blackface. The fact of the matter is that top actors, like Downey, have given performances in blackface in successful films since the birth of filmmaking (see a list of examples below the jump). Many of them have gotten laughs. Many of them have been done rather skillfully. And all of them have been justified by their practitioners as acceptable for one reason or another. The passage of time and the growth of understanding in this country have helped us to recognize that the vast majority were not.

I will grant that some blackface performances are probably more insulting than others. There is a noteworthy difference between what Al Jolson did in the movie "The Jazz Singer" (1927) or what Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll did on the radio-turned-TV show "Amos 'n Andy" (1951-53) and what Angelina Jolie did by darkening her skin to portray and help call attention to the story of Mariane Pearl in "A Mighty Heart" (2007). But it's the practice of blackface itself, more than any specific incarnation of it, that will always strike a nerve for some because it was so much a part of our nation's shameful history in the area of race relations.

Chances are you've heard of the "Jim Crow laws" that segregated black and white Americans from 1876 to 1965, but you may not know about their namesake. Jim Crow was not a real person, but rather a fictional old black slave portrayed as a singing, dancing, bumbling moron by Thomas D. Rice, a white actor in blackface, during the 1830s. This hallmark blackface (or minstrel) performance, like those that came after it in other forms of entertainment, entailed the white appropriation of black identity for the purposes of mockery, and inherently added to the racial intolerance and hate that manifest themselves to this day in ways both big and small. This is precisely why "whiteface" and "blackface" are NOT the same fucking thing. rolleyes

Downey's character may be "a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude," but who are we? Many in the film industry are so focused on the present that they forget -- or, worse still, never properly learned about -- the past. Just last night, I was waiting along a red carpet to ask questions of some of the most important filmmakers of the last 25 years, and several of the other "reporters" around me nervously scanned their "face sheets" in order to put a name to a face and still had no idea who they were. It makes you wonder what, if any perspective, they have about stuff that is really important to know about the past.

Just because we've now elected the first black president of the United States doesn't mean we've magically entered a post-racial period in which the wounds of the past have been forgiven or should be forgotten. It surprises me that so many people -- Stiller, who had previously dabbled in blackface in "Zoolander" (2001); Downey, who has no shortage of vehicles with which to prove his acting chops; and costars, audiences, critics and voters who have singled out this performance -- seem to believe they have been.
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Reply #15 posted 11/01/09 1:04pm

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sammij said:

Haven't you heard?
Blackface is back with an ugly vengeance. disbelief

but why would them sista's co-sign that shit? seems like harry connick the only one who's gonna say how crummy this shit is? mad


This is just my opinion, and I'll probably catch flack for it, but I'm trying to look at this with an open mind. The situation that Harry Connick experienced was different, because those singers actually had on "black-shoe polish" makeup which was offensive, because the "black-shoe polish" makeup, reflected the racist and minstrel acts of during the vaudeville days (i.e., Al Jolson) by white performers imitating Blacks in a false and "assumed" way, and using slurred speech to imitate them as well. In my opinion, what those singers did at the show Harry was at, was racist and offensive because of the black-shoe polish makeup.

This girl in the mediatakeout.com pic, is wearing makeup that actually is the skin color of many Blacks. In the White Chicks movie, I refused to watch it, because I found the whole idea of two Black men imitating white girls in whiteface quite assinine. As far as Robert Downey's reason for playing a Black man in "Tropic Thunder", I'm still trying to figure out the reason why he felt it necessary to play a Black man in 2009, when there's Black actors existing in 2009 that could have played that role. I mean there is no shortage of Black actors in Hollywood, so I'm still trying to figure out the point of Robert doing that.

Remember Eddie Murphy played a White Jewish guy in one of his movies, I believe is was in "Coming to America" (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't remember people getting pissed off at that, I think they were more amazed that he was able to do that, with the good makeup job, and some folks didn't know it was him. On Saturday Night Live, they've put some of their characters in Black makeup to imitate politicians/celebrities. On Tracy Ullman's show, she imitates a Black woman working at an airport (in makeup), although I don't agree or like how the character's personality is displayed.

Now if this chearleader had on "black-shoe polish" makeup, then I would have been offended, in this case, she is imitating a rapper that portrays that image. I find her act more ignorant than I do racist.
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black people do whiteface as well. Make fun of white people a lot too. Say racist things about white people as well. The movie, White Chicks, anyone? IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Yeah, it does.
Was that supposed to make light of those pictures up there?

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2elijah said:

Fury said:


but why would them sista's co-sign that shit? seems like harry connick the only one who's gonna say how crummy this shit is? mad


This is just my opinion, but that situation that Harry Connick experienced was different because those singers actually had on "black-shoe polish" makeup which was offensive, because it reflected the racist and minstrel acts during the vaudeville days (i.e., Al Jolson) by white performers imitating Blacks in a false and "assumed" way, and using slurred speech to imitate them as well. In my opinion, what those singers did at the show Harry was at, was racist and offensive because of the black-shoe polish makeup.

This girl in the mediatakeout.com pic, is wearing makeup that actually is the skin color of many Blacks. In the White Chicks movie, I refused to watch it, because I found the whole idea of two Black men imitating white girls in whiteface quite assinine. As far as Robert Downey's reason for playing a Black man in "Tropic Thunder", I'm still trying to figure out the reason why he felt it necessary to play a Black man in 2009, when there's Black actors existing in 2009 that could have played that role. I mean there is no shortage of Black actors in Hollywood, so I'm still trying to figure out the point of Robert doing that.

Remember Eddie Murphy played a White Jewish guy in one of his movies, I believe is was in "Coming to America" (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't remember people getting pissed off at that, I think they were more amazed that he was able to do that, with the good makeup job, and some folks didn't know it was him. On Saturday Night Live, they've put some of their characters in Black makeup to imitate politicians/celebrities. On Tracy Ullman's show, she imitates a Black woman working at an airport (in makeup), although I don't agree or like how the character's personality is displayed.
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Why is it okay/acceptable for Eddie Murphy and not Robert Downey?

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Reply #18 posted 11/01/09 1:12pm

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moving to p & r in 5....4...3...2... lol

if this gets moved to p&r, do i have to state an opinion about the pictures? confused
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damn, she look a hot triflin' ass right mess. gotta admit I wuz scurred! eek
but I don't find it racist or anything.

and yeah I loled at White Chicks! lol

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2elijah said:



This is just my opinion, but that situation that Harry Connick experienced was different because those singers actually had on "black-shoe polish" makeup which was offensive, because it reflected the racist and minstrel acts during the vaudeville days (i.e., Al Jolson) by white performers imitating Blacks in a false and "assumed" way, and using slurred speech to imitate them as well. In my opinion, what those singers did at the show Harry was at, was racist and offensive because of the black-shoe polish makeup.

This girl in the mediatakeout.com pic, is wearing makeup that actually is the skin color of many Blacks. In the White Chicks movie, I refused to watch it, because I found the whole idea of two Black men imitating white girls in whiteface quite assinine. As far as Robert Downey's reason for playing a Black man in "Tropic Thunder", I'm still trying to figure out the reason why he felt it necessary to play a Black man in 2009, when there's Black actors existing in 2009 that could have played that role. I mean there is no shortage of Black actors in Hollywood, so I'm still trying to figure out the point of Robert doing that.

Remember Eddie Murphy played a White Jewish guy in one of his movies, I believe is was in "Coming to America" (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't remember people getting pissed off at that, I think they were more amazed that he was able to do that, with the good makeup job, and some folks didn't know it was him. On Saturday Night Live, they've put some of their characters in Black makeup to imitate politicians/celebrities. On Tracy Ullman's show, she imitates a Black woman working at an airport (in makeup), although I don't agree or like how the character's personality is displayed.


Why is it okay/acceptable for Eddie Murphy and not Robert Downey?


Who said it was acceptable? You read my post wrong. I never said it was acceptable at all for either Eddie or Robert. I said when Eddie played a White, Jewish guy near the end of the movie, which I only found out after I left the movie theatre, that it was actually Eddie. I was shocked and more people were talking about the makeup job, more than asking the question as to why he played the role of a white guy. It doesn't mean that everyone accepted Eddie playing that role. Matter of fact "Coming to America" was on BET tonight.

I am basically saying I had not heard any outrage from white movie goers at the time the movie was out, when Eddie did that, at least not like I heard with Robert in makeup as a Black male, which is not saying either role by both actors were acceptable. As a matter of fact, when I saw the coming attractions to "Tropic Thunder" I had no idea that was a White guy (Robert) in Black makeup.

If there was any outrage, I just didn't hear about it. Secondly, I never said it was okay for Robert Downey to play a Black man, especially when there are tons of Black male actors that could have played that role. I also stated I am still trying to figure out the purpose of Robert playing the role of a Black male in that movie.
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moving to p & r in 5....4...3...2... lol

if this gets moved to p&r, do i have to state an opinion about the pictures? confused
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Fury said:

moving to p & r in 5....4...3...2... lol

if this gets moved to p&r, do i have to state an opinion about the pictures? confused
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makes me sad on a lot of levels... neutral

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Yeah, buy they didn't quite bring it did they? lol

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Yeah, buy they didn't quite bring it did they? lol


but he said those bytches represent lol
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I really don't see how people equate "whiteface" with "blackface". If anyone can, I'm all ears.

BTW, I think what this chick did was dumb as hell, but I don't see it as racist. And if she is racist, she's a dumb bitch for allowing people to take a picture of her.

Tomorrow. she make news "apologizing" saying "she didn't mean to offend anyone". rolleyes



I agree sis, but people don't get the distinction. The cheerleader is not doing "blackface". A person coloring themselves to portray a character isn't racist in and of itself. "Blackface" is a specific type of portrayal that is tied to the days of Jim Crow, minstrels and shoe polish makeup and you're right...that isn't what she's doing. She's dressed up like lil wayne and just looks silly.

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Yeah, buy they didn't quite bring it did they? lol


but he said those bytches represent lol
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I was referring to something else, but yes I heard that ignorant statement. Says a lot about the writer of that line doesn't it? Getting back to the cheerleader though, the sad thing is, there's actually white college kids, that put on "black-shoe polish" makeup (not the kind you see in that cheerleader pic) and have parties imitating, what they perceive as Black people. Somehow this doesn't surprise me because the racist images some of them portray, obviously they were taught that racist nonsense at home or within their environment.
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