Most Bizarre and Dangerous cults

Since I started my Destiny Church tab, I have got interested in other cults. And I want to know if any of you guys or people you know have got caught up in strange and dangerous cults.
I have read about one called (It is all true and pretty dangerous) "Hermes far eastern shining" based in Australia, but has branches now in New Zealand, Britain, Iowa and Texas. The cult is led by a man called Jessa O My Heart (Real name Gerald Atrill) who his followers believe is God and Jesus combined. He makes his followers spend hundreds on 'enlightened' products that get you from the red realm (Hell as in now) to a yellow realm (Where Jessa and Hermetics live). The teachings are based on alchemy (Turning base metal to gold) and a long dead Egyptian doctor called Hermes Thigestis (Which is a Greek name after a Greek god known for his long penis).
Sounds wacky so far, but you achieve enlightenment through paying $50 to $300 US dollars for a vial of blessed water called Yellow Remember, the waters have colourful names like Batman in Paris and Puff the Magic Dragon (I kid you not). These waters apparently have mystical qualities that cure illnesses (They are actually distilled Sydney tap water). You can also buy discs with new age stuff on them that give you alchemie and get the caffeine out of coffee. Also for sale are wands and excalibur pendants (Cost 200 -1000USD). There are threshold packs that contain 100 vials of the magical waters that cost 5,000 dollars and the piece de la resistance is a Saturn Bubbler that costs $5,000 - $35,000 and these have so much alchemic energy they can spread across states. They are actually a series of plastic tubes and balls that look like they are from a 70s light fixture.
Jessa is known to brainwash followers with this nonsense, take their money, make them live on a commune and females have to have sex with him to achieve true hermetic energy. What I can't believe is people buy into this shit and its all real. Honestly look up Hermes Far Eastern Shining and it will come up on the net.

So have you been in a cult, if so please explain. I exclude anything cultic to do with Prince like Lotusflow3r website and Prince fandom, real cults here please

locked in a scientology place in LA 2 weeks ago forced to watch some bullshit on a tv promoting there crap before door was unlocked to let me leave.

Why the fuck would anyone want to extract the caffeine from coffee by using a new age CD?
Don´t trust them.

Batman in Paris? WTF?

this may not be an answer to your question but i was fascinated by this;


Aghori

they live on cremation grounds and meditate on corpses and they eat human flesh


'Cannibalism
The Aghoris distinguish themselves from other Hindu sects and priests by their alcoholic and cannibalistic rituals (see necro-cannibalism). The corpses, which may be either pulled from a river [including Ganges] or obtained from cremation grounds, are consumed both raw and cooked on open flame, as the Aghoris believe that what others consider a "dead man" is, in fact, nothing but a natural matter devoid of the life force it once contained. Therefore while for ordinary folks cannibalism may be seen as primitive, barbaric as well as unclean, for aghoris it is being both resourceful and subverting the common stereotypes placed on such taboos into a spiritual ascertainment that indeed nothing is profane nor separate from God, who is hailed to be all and in all. In fact, the Aghoris see it as a scientific approach in trying to discover how matter converts from one form to another'



i was truly shocked and repulsed when i came across footage of seeing one cut off a corpse's hand and eat it
i have that image printed in my brain forever now
(not shown in the video below)



[Edited 11/1/09 5:03am]

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy."

Everytime someone mentions cults, this is in my head.

Bring back

Thanks Huggiebear, another excellent post.

Never got into any cults. Unless you consider following Prince around 94 a cult. Some did!!!

Many people are born into it. You find the states with small populations and you will find crazy cults. North/South Dakota, one of my family members worked to deprogram people in cults. Many were born into it. Some are adults and seen the sickest os sick and end up having split personality.

Cults have also interested me. When I get bored i like to go and reseach the strange to pass time.

IMO for someone to initially join, they would want to a degree to escape the real world..or something like that. Much of what cults believe is BS but your mind can take in any info and believe it as the truth.

Every religion is a cult and as such is either a scaled-up or down version of this. What, really, for example, is the difference between "a vial of blessed water" and holy water. Both are as silly and baseless as each other. But of course when a cult has enough members, it is no longer percieved as such.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

Dewrede said:

this may not be an answer to your question but i was fascinated by this;


Aghori

they live on cremation grounds and meditate on corpses and they eat human flesh


'Cannibalism
The Aghoris distinguish themselves from other Hindu sects and priests by their alcoholic and cannibalistic rituals (see necro-cannibalism). The corpses, which may be either pulled from a river [including Ganges] or obtained from cremation grounds, are consumed both raw and cooked on open flame, as the Aghoris believe that what others consider a "dead man" is, in fact, nothing but a natural matter devoid of the life force it once contained. Therefore while for ordinary folks cannibalism may be seen as primitive, barbaric as well as unclean, for aghoris it is being both resourceful and subverting the common stereotypes placed on such taboos into a spiritual ascertainment that indeed nothing is profane nor separate from God, who is hailed to be all and in all. In fact, the Aghoris see it as a scientific approach in trying to discover how matter converts from one form to another'



i was truly shocked and repulsed when i came across footage of seeing one cut off a corpse's hand and eat it
i have that image printed in my brain forever now
(not shown in the video below)



[Edited 11/1/09 5:03am]

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

Dewrede said:

this may not be an answer to your question but i was fascinated by this;


Aghori

they live on cremation grounds and meditate on corpses and they eat human flesh


'Cannibalism
The Aghoris distinguish themselves from other Hindu sects and priests by their alcoholic and cannibalistic rituals (see necro-cannibalism). The corpses, which may be either pulled from a river [including Ganges] or obtained from cremation grounds, are consumed both raw and cooked on open flame, as the Aghoris believe that what others consider a "dead man" is, in fact, nothing but a natural matter devoid of the life force it once contained. Therefore while for ordinary folks cannibalism may be seen as primitive, barbaric as well as unclean, for aghoris it is being both resourceful and subverting the common stereotypes placed on such taboos into a spiritual ascertainment that indeed nothing is profane nor separate from God, who is hailed to be all and in all. In fact, the Aghoris see it as a scientific approach in trying to discover how matter converts from one form to another'



i was truly shocked and repulsed when i came across footage of seeing one cut off a corpse's hand and eat it
i have that image printed in my brain forever now
(not shown in the video below)



[Edited 11/1/09 5:03am]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...he_Joneses

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...aterialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...onsumption

In my lifetime, I had membership in the Roman Catholic Church, Traditionalist Pentecostal Church, Seventh-Day Adventist Church, & a few off-shoots of The Worldwide Church Of God.

These days, I still attend holy scriptures study with a few friends of mine on Saturdays. But I learn a lot more by studying the scripture for myself.

Reflection said:

locked in a scientology place in LA 2 weeks ago forced to watch some bullshit on a tv promoting there crap before door was unlocked to let me leave.

rodman2 said:

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion according to prescribed ritual. Many cults follow a living human leader, and often their adherents live in groups apart from the rest of society. The standard for what is orthodox, however, should be God’s Word, and Jehovah’s Witnesses strictly adhere to the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion. They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society. They live and work in the midst of other people.

TonyVanDam said:

In my lifetime, I had membership in the Roman Catholic Church, Traditionalist Pentecostal Church, Seventh-Day Adventist Church, & a few off-shoots of The Worldwide Church Of God.

These days, I still attend holy scriptures study with a few friends of mine on Saturdays. But I learn a lot more by studying the scripture for myself.

Its cultland if it has any of the following,

1. A leader who thinks hes a God or the God, he has a lot of charisma and respect for him/her is total.
2. The cult wants you to cut yourself off from the outside world, including your family.
3. It deprives you of food or sleep and demands you listen to long sermons/ lectures usually by the leader.
4. It costs you lots of money either in the form of dnations or buying so called 'synergised' objects like coasters with the words "Batman in Paris" printed on it.
5. Scales of punishment and threats if you leave
6. Asking you to do or perform bizarre stunts/ acts on behalf of the cult or leaders.
7. Forcing you to accept either a false prophet or false doctorine
8. Sexual intercourse is either very open or forbidding
9. Making you change your name or appearance to fit in with the cult, eg Mother Shabubu. Jessa O My Heart.

kenlacam said:

TonyVanDam said:

In my lifetime, I had membership in the Roman Catholic Church, Traditionalist Pentecostal Church, Seventh-Day Adventist Church, & a few off-shoots of The Worldwide Church Of God.

These days, I still attend holy scriptures study with a few friends of mine on Saturdays. But I learn a lot more by studying the scripture for myself.

Not to be off-topic here, but I LOVE your sig. I am a huge fan of both Pac and MJ.

Reflection said:

locked in a scientology place in LA 2 weeks ago forced to watch some bullshit on a tv promoting there crap before door was unlocked to let me leave.

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

It is impossible to say how many cults there are, there are still sects that many won't know of. Some of the most notorious and dangerous using coercive persuasion and mind control techniques would be:


Christian Science
Scientology
Bonus Jonestown
Order Of The Solar Temple
Born Again Christians
Unification Church
Televangelists
Heavens Gate
White Supremacy
Solar Temple
Aum Shinrikyo
Branch Davidians
Children Of God
Mormons/Latter Day Saints
Yogi Bhajan
Raëlism
Hare Krishna
Boston Church Of Christ
Amway Quixtar
United Pentecostal Church
Terrorism
Jehovahs Witness
Restoration Of The Ten Commandments
Manson Family
Church Of Bible Understanding
Mother Of God
Satanism

Did anyone see that Louis Theroux program where he visited a cult in the states that actually protested at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq calling the states and anyone who supports the soldiers and the armed forces evil. Complete homophobes too. All led by a sicko old fucker that needed a good smack in the face.

Rebeljuice said:

Bring back

comegetwild said:

PanthaGirl said:

Rebeljuice said:

PanthaGirl said:

shellyevon said:

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. That religion fills every criteria for being a cult or at least a high control group.
the thing about JWism is you get in for free but you have to pay a very high price to get out.

signs of a cult:
An exhaustive study has been done on the behavior of cult groups - In several books about "cults", they enumerated 21 major points where you can identify the traits of a cult-like organization. Bear in mind that the authors did not target Jehovah's Witnesses as a specific group at all, which made it all the more frightening! But this dissertation generalized all cult-groups existing in the world...

1. Control-oriented, arrogantly assertive, power-posturing leadership.
2. Authoritarian and legalistic with dictatorial, dogmatic doctrines that are proclaimed to be "the Truth".
3. Claims of being the channel of communication between God and humankind; having unique knowledge that makes them special. If members do not submit to its dictatorial rule, the leaders emphasize that any waver of support to the organization or church is evidence of waver of faith in God.
4. Manipulation of members by guilt, shame, blame, and fear.
5. An "Us-versus-Them" view, a perception of being under persecution.
6. Demanding, rigid lifestyles and overwhelming service requirements.
Members' lives are controlled by both spoken and unspoken rules.
7. Loss of focus on God, replaced by a complicated process of furthering the church or organization and its rules.
8. Followers "in pain", hiding real feelings that oppose or disagree with the religious system.
9. Intolerance of individual thinking, and of criticism of the religious system by its members. Fosters an unhealthy dependency by focusing on themes of submission, loyalty, and obedience to those in authority.
10. Severe discipline of members.
11. The religious system puts down other religions.
12. Closed communication: Information is only valid if it comes from the top of the religious system down, and from inside the system to the outside of it.
13. Leaving the religious system is painful and difficult.
14. Labeling: a technique used to discount a person who opposes the beliefs of the religious system, i.e., "apostates".
15. What you do is more important that who you are.
16. Love and acceptance are earned by doing certain things.
17. Scripture-twisting.
18. Scare tactics; focus on demons.
19. Threats to remove members from the group.
20. Members are misled into thinking the only safety is in the religious system.
21. A view that education is bad or unnecessary.

Steve Hassan has written several excellent books on cults.
[Edited 11/1/09 7:48am]

A friend of mine was only a child when her mother forced her into the JW religion, but her father was against it. After a few years her mother finally came to her senses and pulled herself and my friend out. For years following this incident the local JW's would follow her, to school stalk her, and once even tried to push her into a vehicle parked on the side of the road. The police became involved and arrests were made. Very very sick indeed.