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ernestsewell

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Jack Johnson , John McCain, Peter King, and Prince

As some know before Prince mentioned it on Tavis Smiley, Jack Johnson was a heavyweight champion boxer who was convicted in 1913 of violating the Man Act. The Man Act was a law which said you could not transport someone, for the reason of prostitution, across state lines. Johnson was with a female friend, not a hooker, when he was ticketed, and eventually arrested, for alleged violation of The Man Act. It didn't help his case in 1913, that his friend happened to be a white woman.

The people were out for blood because Jack Johnson was a flamboyant character. He had dated Asian, White, and Black women. Most times there were no fights between blacks and whites in the ring, but when Jack Johnson was put in the ring, he beat white boxers, namely beating James J. Jeffries, also known later as The Great White Hope. Jeffries had said in the press that he was going to fight Johnson to prove that a "white man is better than a Negro." The match ended after 15 long rounds, when Jeffries people threw in the towel. People hated that, and they were out for blood w/ Johnson. The conviction put him in jail for a while, and it killed his career in boxing, which is what the white people wanted to happen.



He didn't violate the Man Act, but the trumped up charges is what they used against him in order to silence him and put him away for a while.

John McCain (R-Ariz) and Peter King (R-N.Y.) are leading the effort to get a pardon for him, and clear his name. It's not Peter King the sportswriter, but Peter King who called Michael Jackson a "child molester" just after his death.

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Reply #1 posted 10/29/09 10:57am

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don't forget the documentary about him which has the excellent miles davis soundtrack. i've been listening to the boxset of the sessions every night this week actually. fantastic stuff

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Reply #2 posted 10/29/09 10:57am

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ernestsewell said:

As some know before Prince mentioned it on Tavis Smiley, Jack Johnson was a heavyweight champion boxer who was convicted in 1913 of violating the Man Act. The Man Act was a law which said you could not transport someone, for the reason of prostitution, across state lines. Johnson was with a female friend, not a hooker, when he was ticketed, and eventually arrested, for alleged violation of The Man Act. It didn't help his case in 1913, that his friend happened to be a white woman.

The people were out for blood because Jack Johnson was a flamboyant character. He had dated Asian, White, and Black women. Most times there were no fights between blacks and whites in the ring, but when Jack Johnson was put in the ring, he beat white boxers, namely beating James J. Jeffries, also known later as The Great White Hope. Jeffries had said in the press that he was going to fight Johnson to prove that a "white man is better than a Negro." The match ended after 15 long rounds, when Jeffries people threw in the towel. People hated that, and they were out for blood w/ Johnson. The conviction put him in jail for a while, and it killed his career in boxing, which is what the white people wanted to happen.



He didn't violate the Man Act, but the trumped up charges is what they used against him in order to silence him and put him away for a while.

John McCain (R-Ariz) and Peter King (R-N.Y.) are leading the effort to get a pardon for him, and clear his name. It's not Peter King the sportswriter, but Peter King who called Michael Jackson a "child molester" just after his death.



What does this have to do with Prince?

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Reply #3 posted 10/29/09 11:06am

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JarviusLovesexy said:

What does this have to do with Prince?

Read it again.

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Reply #4 posted 10/29/09 11:11am

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Ernest, you surprise me! Very astute comparison.

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Reply #5 posted 10/29/09 11:19am

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there are lots of things they do for negroes postumously... confused


its called ..preventive maintenance .....lurking


and no, even tho i always seem to be squeaky clean....i fuck up a lot, its just hard to tear up a bunch of shyt when you are at home... neutral
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Reply #6 posted 10/29/09 11:27am

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joyinrepetition said:

Ernest, you surprise me! Very astute comparison.

Hmmm, wasn't really a comparison, although now I can see some similarities. The story was about Jack Johnson, not a comparison to Prince's life or career. I brought it up because Prince mentioned him on Tavis Smiley recently. Plus the story, in general, is getting some press. I wasn't quite sure whether to drop it in the Prince forum or the General Discussion. I'm sure Mods will figure it out.

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Reply #7 posted 10/29/09 11:34am

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Obama should just pardon him. He doesn't need congress's approval. I doubt anyone will be too upset over it. The ones that do will harp on the fact that he left fled to France and make some stupid comparison to roman polanski.

But the president has my full support in this.

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Reply #8 posted 10/29/09 11:47am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Obama should just pardon him. He doesn't need congress's approval. I doubt anyone will be too upset over it. The ones that do will harp on the fact that he left fled to France and make some stupid comparison to roman polanski.

But the president has my full support in this.

Yeah, although it's LONG after the fact, it's good that it's done. MyFavorite called it "preventative maintenance". While I can see that point, I also think there's a bigger picture that is aided as well, that being a racial one to white folks. There's still an undue amount of racism in America. Those goes without saying, unfortunately. But when stories, and men's lives, are brought to attention like Jack Johnson's is, even 96 years after the fact, it shows that the good in people still abhor the negativity that this country has suffered, and cultured, in the past. It negates "Well that's just how things were back then". Yes it was how things were, but let's let history teach us something, let's improve on it, and let's grow because of it, not in spite of it. Jack Johnson's story is a great story on its own, and this seems to be a good tag ending on an otherwise very interesting man, and his life. We can't always "right the wrong", in that we can't change history, but we can effect change down the line, and at least have certain things reflected differently (not changed, just a diff p.o.v.) for future generations to learn from.

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Reply #9 posted 10/29/09 12:28pm

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Another peson that ought to be pardond: Charles Butler McVay III.

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Reply #10 posted 10/30/09 1:36am

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Very interesting, the great clobbering machine at work. Even here in NZ we teach Black Civil Rights at high school and as an introduction to Jim Crow, we often use the case of Jack Johnson, mainly as he was a brilliant athlete, yet was always discriminated against and levelled by the media, because he was a black man, and this threatened white ideas of Black inferiority. It was sad, as he was a truly great boxer. People knew he had to be bought down and of course the man found someway to arrest him.

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Reply #11 posted 10/30/09 2:51am

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ernestsewell said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Obama should just pardon him. He doesn't need congress's approval. I doubt anyone will be too upset over it. The ones that do will harp on the fact that he left fled to France and make some stupid comparison to roman polanski.

But the president has my full support in this.

Yeah, although it's LONG after the fact, it's good that it's done. MyFavorite called it "preventative maintenance". While I can see that point, I also think there's a bigger picture that is aided as well, that being a racial one to white folks. There's still an undue amount of racism in America. Those goes without saying, unfortunately. But when stories, and men's lives, are brought to attention like Jack Johnson's is, even 96 years after the fact, it shows that the good in people still abhor the negativity that this country has suffered, and cultured, in the past. It negates "Well that's just how things were back then". Yes it was how things were, but let's let history teach us something, let's improve on it, and let's grow because of it, not in spite of it. Jack Johnson's story is a great story on its own, and this seems to be a good tag ending on an otherwise very interesting man, and his life. We can't always "right the wrong", in that we can't change history, but we can effect change down the line, and at least have certain things reflected differently (not changed, just a diff p.o.v.) for future generations to learn from.



Very well said.

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Reply #12 posted 10/30/09 11:28am

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what is racism anyway???


is it what people have to contend with when they dont acknowledge white people as superior???


from what i understand, they dont like to be referred to as god. but i've seen them worship many a man. hmph!


shrug im just saying.

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