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Isn't having life and existing on a planet in a universe the best proof of God? I always thought so. | |
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No "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
Abraham Lincoln | |
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Can you explain what you mean when you use the word God, please. The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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Heaven, Yes! I totally agree with you that just being in Nature can make me think that an Intelligent Artist created it all. I call that Intelligent Artist God. | |
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iGene said: I always thought so.
For some - yes others - not so much |
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no. i would not draw that conclusion at all  | |
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I don't think it's proof. But then faith should never have to have proof, otherwise it could never be faith.
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markpeg said: Heaven, Yes! I totally agree with you that just being in Nature can make me think that an Intelligent Artist created it all. I call that Intelligent Artist God.
[Edited 10/22/09 9:18am] But who created the intelligent designer? 
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Bohemian67 said: I don't think it's proof. But then faith should never have to have proof, otherwise it could never be faith.
But I do find this world/universe too miraculous to be any kind of accident. As Eldridge so aptly put it, in his book Epic. Something to the effect of .... "How did the earth begin - Scientists' answers - by accident How will it end - " " - by accident The chances of that kind of accident are about the same as taking a rolex watch apart into a million pieces, throwing it into the washing machine, and the rolex coming out whole after a washing cycle." Accident sounds more plausible than magic, no? Try reading the Blind Watchmaker by Dawkins which answers your rolex example.
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I didn't call it magic. I also didn't ask you to read the book I referred to. I won't get into these disputes. Everyone is free to believe what they want. So thank you for your offer. "You're just another part of me" MJ | |
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it is proof of something. but the problem is there is evidence of evolution. There are things we can see and hold that show the process of change and adaptation. Evolution is in a basic manner of speaking adaptation over time. | |
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iGene said: I always thought so.
You changed your mind? Good for you! "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: it is proof of something. but the problem is there is evidence of evolution. There are things we can see and hold that show the process of change and adaptation. Evolution is in a basic manner of speaking adaptation over time.
Evolution is not in contradiction with the Bible at all. In fact, the Bible is the only "Holy Book" that has creation in the right order. A "day" in early languages such as latin and Hebrew can also indicate an age- perhaps millions or billions of years.http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html#LWPUOmexZxO2 Micro-evolution or adaptation of species is also not in contrast, as it was part of God's plan for survival. Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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shellyann said: OnlyNDaUsa said: it is proof of something. but the problem is there is evidence of evolution. There are things we can see and hold that show the process of change and adaptation. Evolution is in a basic manner of speaking adaptation over time.
Evolution is not in contradiction with the Bible at all. In fact, the Bible is the only "Holy Book" that has creation in the right order. A "day" in early languages such as latin and Hebrew can also indicate an age- perhaps millions or billions of years.http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html#LWPUOmexZxO2 Micro-evolution or adaptation of species is also not in contrast, as it was part of God's plan for survival. Oh I agree, but it also says "And there was evening, and there was morning the first day". So it seems that it was a standard Earth day. | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: shellyann said: Evolution is not in contradiction with the Bible at all. In fact, the Bible is the only "Holy Book" that has creation in the right order. A "day" in early languages such as latin and Hebrew can also indicate an age- perhaps millions or billions of years.http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html#LWPUOmexZxO2 Micro-evolution or adaptation of species is also not in contrast, as it was part of God's plan for survival. Oh I agree, but it also says "And there was evening, and there was morning the first day". So it seems that it was a standard Earth day. Excellent catch! Yes, you are correct..but there are more than one definition of "day" in ancient languages. In some languages, including our own, we use the same word for more than one meaning. "Day" in Latin or Hebrew (sorry, can't remember) - can mean "24 hours", or it can mean "an age"- an indistinguishable period of time. Both meanings are absolutely correct; hence the confusion! It is confusing and it actually sucks when you want to make a point on clarity. My father, a biblical scholar, actually helped me to finally get it, by providing other scripture that solidified this. Where is my Dad when you need him? (lol) Please check out the link I provided: http://www.godandscience....y-age.html Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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iGene said: I always thought so.
 Oh no no, we must not talk of any Judgemental Being..that's BIG trouble junior.
Let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like evolution, yeah you've seen the table, monkey, ape, to walking human. Never mind the little fact that there are ZERO fossil records proving this theory. Or how a frog turns into a horse. Never know, give it a million years! 
Or....There was a big bang! Uhm, yeah that's it...
Consciousness, a conscience, the big brains haven't figured that out yet either stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made human laws. God's supernatural. Best bow to the Joyful Master.  | |
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iGene said: I always thought so.
no, it's the best proof that there is life existing on a planet in a Universe though. Kind of hard to refute that. C:\Otaassk~.exe The new best Prince M&M thread ever: http://prince.org/msg/7/323876 vivid is my new boo!  
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jacobpb said: iGene said: I always thought so.
Oh no no, we must not talk of any Judgemental Being..that's BIG trouble junior.
Let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like evolution, yeah you've seen the table, monkey, ape, to walking human. Never mind the little fact that there are ZERO fossil records proving this theory. Or how a frog turns into a horse. Never know, give it a million years!
Or....There was a big bang! Uhm, yeah that's it...
Consciousness, a conscience, the big brains haven't figured that out yet either stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made human laws. God's supernatural. Best bow to the Joyful Master. Excellent argument! I have always wondered how macro-evolutionists could justify this. After all, wouldn't there be fossils of just as many "in-between" stages of animals if we were all morphing (in the process of changing) into other beings? Unfortunately, they cannot provide their "fossil" evidence; hence I will refute it!  Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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Isn't having wars, pain, tsunamis or earthquakes on our planet the best proof against God?
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jacobpb said: iGene said: I always thought so.
Oh no no, we must not talk of any Judgemental Being..that's BIG trouble junior.
[b]Let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like evolution, yeah you've seen the table, monkey, ape, to walking human. Never mind the little fact that there are ZERO fossil records proving this theory. Or how a frog turns into a horse. Never know, give it a million years!
Or....There was a big bang! Uhm, yeah that's it...
Consciousness, a conscience, the big brains haven't figured that out yet either stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made human laws. God's supernatural. Best bow to the Joyful Master. ignorance is bliss. a frog turning into a horse would very much disprove evolution, genius. and there is tons of fossils and other evidence for evolution and also for the big bang. don't try to outsmart millions of educated people, until you clueless one have seen a school at least from the inside. or try a book or something for a change, I mean really... but let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like creationism, yeah you've seen the table, talking snakes, divine 24/7 working weeks, world wide floods, millions of animals surviving on a ship, men getting 600 years old and more, women made out of ribs. Never mind the little fact that there is ZERO evidence proving any of this. yes, believing that makes much more sense and indicates sheer outstanding intellectual capabilities 
Or how zombies arise from the dead. Never know, give it three days!
Or....There was a God! Uhm, yeah that's it...
and proof for God, even the slightes one would be welcome, well the circular brains haven't figured that out yet and got stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made holy books
please note I also write in bold, which makes me truly important. despite the fact I have a really small penis 
and even if I'm not that important as I would like me too be, then at least people can spot my lunatic ignorant nonsense rants a bit more easily get well soon chap, you must be really really sick [Edited 10/23/09 3:36am] | |
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I believe in God, but what u stated isn't proof sweetie People Call me Rude
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MrSmoketoomuch said: and proof for God, even the slightes one would be welcome, well the circular brains haven't figured that out yet and got stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made holy books [/b]Belief that there is NO GOD is also circular. As you can not explain where matter originally came from. There is an anti-matter argument/theory. But that too is circular. There is the mulit-dimension argument/theory. But that too is circular. There is the true universe is a cycle that of expansion and contraction back to expansion that has been going on forever argument/theory. But that too is circular. ALL theories or ideas of how we all got here are circular. | |
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jacobpb said: iGene said: I always thought so.
Oh no no, we must not talk of any Judgemental Being..that's BIG trouble junior.
Let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like evolution, yeah you've seen the table, monkey, ape, to walking human. Never mind the little fact that there are ZERO fossil records proving this theory. Or how a frog turns into a horse. Never know, give it a million years!
Or....There was a big bang! Uhm, yeah that's it...
Consciousness, a conscience, the big brains haven't figured that out yet either stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made human laws. God's supernatural. Best bow to the Joyful Master. 
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shellyann said: OnlyNDaUsa said: Oh I agree, but it also says "And there was evening, and there was morning the first day". So it seems that it was a standard Earth day. Excellent catch! Yes, you are correct..but there are more than one definition of "day" in ancient languages. In some languages, including our own, we use the same word for more than one meaning. "Day" in Latin or Hebrew (sorry, can't remember) - can mean "24 hours", or it can mean "an age"- an indistinguishable period of time. Both meanings are absolutely correct; hence the confusion! It is confusing and it actually sucks when you want to make a point on clarity. My father, a biblical scholar, actually helped me to finally get it, by providing other scripture that solidified this. Where is my Dad when you need him? (lol) Please check out the link I provided: http://www.godandscience....y-age.html So you went from claiming billions of years of evolution to be compatible with "god days" to refuting evolution altogether a post later. Whatever puts the best spin on the bible's stories eh? | |
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Dsoul said: shellyann said: Excellent catch! Yes, you are correct..but there are more than one definition of "day" in ancient languages. In some languages, including our own, we use the same word for more than one meaning. "Day" in Latin or Hebrew (sorry, can't remember) - can mean "24 hours", or it can mean "an age"- an indistinguishable period of time. Both meanings are absolutely correct; hence the confusion! It is confusing and it actually sucks when you want to make a point on clarity. My father, a biblical scholar, actually helped me to finally get it, by providing other scripture that solidified this. Where is my Dad when you need him? (lol) Please check out the link I provided: http://www.godandscience....y-age.html So you went from claiming billions of years of evolution to be compatible with "god days" to refuting evolution altogether a post later. Whatever puts the best spin on the bible's stories eh? Forgive me, I must not have been clear.The word Day can be used in different parts of scripture and mean different things. Take "Orange" for an example- It can be a color and it can mean a fruit. "Day" can mean 24 hours and it can mean an age. Day-Age creationists do not see the Bible and Science as contradictory.I believe in Micro-evolution, not Macro-evolution, because there is only proof for Micro-evolution. Please see my link....I haven't changed my position at all...I think it is just hard to read and remember everyone's posts. [Edited 10/23/09 16:56pm] Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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MrSmoketoomuch said: jacobpb said: Oh no no, we must not talk of any Judgemental Being..that's BIG trouble junior.
[b]Let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like evolution, yeah you've seen the table, monkey, ape, to walking human. Never mind the little fact that there are ZERO fossil records proving this theory. Or how a frog turns into a horse. Never know, give it a million years!
Or....There was a big bang! Uhm, yeah that's it...
Consciousness, a conscience, the big brains haven't figured that out yet either stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made human laws. God's supernatural. Best bow to the Joyful Master. ignorance is bliss. a frog turning into a horse would very much disprove evolution, genius. and there is tons of fossils and other evidence for evolution and also for the big bang. don't try to outsmart millions of educated people, until you clueless one have seen a school at least from the inside. or try a book or something for a change, I mean really... but let's just pretend in higher thinking theories like creationism, yeah you've seen the table, talking snakes, divine 24/7 working weeks, world wide floods, millions of animals surviving on a ship, men getting 600 years old and more, women made out of ribs. Never mind the little fact that there is ZERO evidence proving any of this. yes, believing that makes much more sense and indicates sheer outstanding intellectual capabilities
Or how zombies arise from the dead. Never know, give it three days!
Or....There was a God! Uhm, yeah that's it...
and proof for God, even the slightes one would be welcome, well the circular brains haven't figured that out yet and got stuck between their teeny-weeny man-made holy books
please note I also write in bold, which makes me truly important. despite the fact I have a really small penis
and even if I'm not that important as I would like me too be, then at least people can spot my lunatic ignorant nonsense rants a bit more easily get well soon chap, you must be really really sick [Edited 10/23/09 3:36am] Ah big on insults!, Poor thing... short on facts, but alas hashish horticultural endeavors are showing up nicely in hate-filled rants eh?
 Smoke on!
Actually francis, the fossil record is quite short monkey to human, but run to your man-made blogs because "by jove we're smarter!" Hahaha. Good luck with the mysteries of the universe, you're getting colder. | |
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jacobpb said: Actually francis, the fossil record is quite short monkey to human, but run to your man-made blogs because "by jove we're smarter!" No evolutionist argues that humans have evolved from monkeys. But both monkeys and humans have a common, ape-like ancestor. Big difference. If you don't even understand the basics of evolutionary science, I don't expect you to understand the rest. |
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MrSmoketoomuch said: ....please note I also write in bold, which makes me truly important. despite the fact I have a really small penis
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mcmeekle said: MrSmoketoomuch said: ....please note I also write in bold, which makes me truly important. despite the fact I have a really small penis
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