WELL SINCE NO ONE REALLY CARES BOUT THE HEALTH CARE ISSUE ON HERE.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...l_insurers


WASHINGTON Insurance companies aren't playing nice any more. Their dire message that health care legislation will drive up premiums for people who already have coverage comes as a warning shot at a crucial point in the debate and threatens President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

....continued at the link.

anyone stupid enough to trust a corporate propoganda like that deserves to pay through the nose to keep the corporation rich.

but they also deserve affordable and fair healthcare, which the left will give them the option for.

cborgman said:

Think this through:

The insurance companies are saying that if you already have insurance, your premiums will go up because people will wait until they're sick to get coverage, and the insurance companies can't deny them.

Let's assume this is true. Insurance companies will know this going in and - if they're true to their word - raise premiums in advance of the claims. Remember, insurance is all about transferring risk from one party to another, and the insurance companies are the transferee. They aren't going to wait until claims come in before they mitigate that risk.

So they start collecting increased premiums now and don't make payments on those policies until sometime in the future.

The net result? Revenue goes up, expenses stay the same - they'll make more money starting, like, yesterday.

And they're bitching about that?

Ummmm...no. That's why the Democrats are rightly saying the companies are full of BS.

RodeoSchro said:

lazycrockett said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul_insurers


WASHINGTON Insurance companies aren't playing nice any more. Their dire message that health care legislation will drive up premiums for people who already have coverage comes as a warning shot at a crucial point in the debate and threatens President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

....continued at the link.

cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Cheaper often comes at the expense of quality. It also assumes that the 'public option' is not part of Obama's stated goal of eliminating employer provided coverage.

We heard the "choice and competition" argument, that many states have 5 or fewer heath coverage providers. So if 5 is so bad is 6 any better? The President also left off the reason some states have so few options, that is the federal laws that block sale of plans across state lines. Open that door (at a cost of ZERO) and choice and competition will explode.

The Option also interferes with individual rights and with private insurers by forcing people to have a plan or be fined. Not to mention that the rest of the money will come from someplace. The way the goverment came down on an insurance company for its opposition to the plan ought to scare people. Just becasue you agree now doesn't mean you will down the road.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So what has the US Government run and run well in the history of the US?

And what do you make of Obama's back and forth on the issue of single payer? He said years ago he was for it, then in 2007 he said he wanted a public option but that it would take another 10 to 20 years before they could eliminate employer provided coverage. Yet, he now says he never said he was for single payer.

Also the "34th in terms of quality," what is the rubric they used to get that ranking? I wonder how much lack of universal coverage has to do with it and what it would be if that was taken out.

I want everyone to have access to affordable quality care I just believe that any form of public option will have the opposite effect. I think it will cause the cost for most to go up and the access to do down for most and that the over all quality will drop for most. Sure some will get a better deal, at the expense of the rest.

cborgman said:

The current healthcare proposal is crap....I don't think of us would disagree that reform needs to happen, but this bill is another government attempt to control more of our lives.

Here are some good ideas about what can be done...

http://article.nationalre...GI=&w=MA==

OnlyNDaUsa said:

paisleypark4 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I can sum up why this healthcare bill is bad in 2 points (although there are many, many, many more)....

1. It is going to reduce the provider base in the healthcare industry through lowered compensation, added buracratic procedure, stiffened regulation, and increased exposure to liability - Meaning there are going to be more people needing help and less resource to help them....I.E Rationing

2. It does nothing to reduce actual healthcare cost, which is the real problem.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

seekingtruth said:

seekingtruth said:

The right should stay away from healthcare reform. They were in power for 8 years and THEY DID NOTHING.. So why do anyone have to listen to their proposals? Whenever healthcare reform was discussed they always talked about TORT reform. They did not even implement that, but we all know why they did not do it because it will not do anything to bring down the cost or insure the 47 million who don’t have health care. CBO now estimates that implementing a typical package of tort reform proposals nationwide would reduce total U.S. health care spending by about 0.5 percent.

When you did not do anything when you had a chance or one of their option will not do anything to reduce cost or insure more people why even have a debate with them?

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