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Thread started 10/04/09 8:25am

vainandy

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How did Cain and Able multiply?

If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?

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Reply #1 posted 10/04/09 8:38am

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By the lies told.....and then sold.

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/09 8:41am

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If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?

Good question.

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/09 9:20am

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OMG did a religious person actually question the Bible?... This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution.

Good start, now all U gotta do is keep asking. smile

Like... If God is an all powerful being that can create universes at will then why is it he can only communicate through a 2000 year old book? Hmmmm?

See how the tissues of lies start 2 disintegrate? wink

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Reply #4 posted 10/04/09 9:30am

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I asked this myself and do remember that an answer has been formulated somewhere that does not involve incest and some chicks miraculously appearing from somewhere else because we don't understand how time passes in the bible and just because Adam and Eve were first, doesn't mean the God did not start planting other humans around the globe after creating them.

I'm paraphrasing, so I will be interested to read it when it comes back out.

I've always been interested in the logistics of Noah's Ark as well. Lets give him that all the animals around the world, insects, birds, all of them were present wherever Noah was, how did he redistribute them all over the globe? How many people did he have collecting the millions of species and did he just use them as labor and then leave them to die in the flood? What kind of severance package is that?

Just an observation in case someone wants to tackle that in another thread. I don't want to take this one off track.

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Reply #5 posted 10/04/09 9:31am

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Abel didn't multiply since he was murdered, Cain went off and found his wife in the land of Nod, She was probably his sister, Adam and Eve had many more children after Cain and Abel and they all interbred. so according to Judeo Christian theology, all of humanity is the result of inbreeding.

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Reply #6 posted 10/04/09 9:35am

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comegetwild said:

OMG did a religious person actually question the Bible?... This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution.

Good start, now all U gotta do is keep asking. smile

Like... If God is an all powerful being that can create universes at will then why is it he can only communicate through a 2000 year old book? Hmmmm?

See how the tissues of lies start 2 disintegrate? wink
Questioning the Bible is not a sign of weakening belief.

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/09 9:37am

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Adam and Eve had another son Seth and other children. All multiplied. Abel was slain by Cain.

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Reply #8 posted 10/04/09 10:19am

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A book by theologist John Stott, called "understanding the bible" has excellent answers to these questions.He explains all the metaphorical stories of the bible very.. Definitely worth a read.

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Reply #9 posted 10/04/09 10:47am

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sweething said:

Adam and Eve had another son Seth and other children. All multiplied. Abel was slain by Cain.


So it was inbreeding? Wouldn't that be against the Old Testament, which states that you shall not lay with your sister or brother?

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Reply #10 posted 10/04/09 11:02am

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I much prefer the fact I come from a diverse range of species and genepools than being the result of inbreeding within a few thousand years. ewww

That said the human species did get a little low in numbers approx 70,000 years ago. We're all related to about 2000 scattered Africans supposedly.

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Reply #11 posted 10/04/09 11:42am

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MrSoulpower said:

sweething said:

Adam and Eve had another son Seth and other children. All multiplied. Abel was slain by Cain.


So it was inbreeding? Wouldn't that be against the Old Testament, which states that you shall not lay with your sister or brother?



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Reply #12 posted 10/04/09 12:05pm

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MrSoulpower said:



So it was inbreeding? Wouldn't that be against the Old Testament, which states that you shall not lay with your sister or brother?



hush you, just blindly believe what your told.


We should question the Bible. As Vendetta1 stated, just because you question the Bible does not mean that your faith is weakened. I've found that looking for answers to questions has only strengthened my faith.

Another point, is that people make the assumption that the Bible is an all inclusive account. It's not. There are many events and circumstances that are not mentioned.Just because the Bible does not specifically mention where Cain's wife came from, does not prove that the Bible is not true.

So to the question at hand; the 2 possibilities are that Cain's wife was his sister or God created other people besides Adam and Eve.

The laws against incest were not given until the days of Moses, thousands of years after Adam and Eve.
[Edited 10/4/09 12:07pm]

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Reply #13 posted 10/04/09 12:49pm

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tmo1965 said:

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So to the question at hand; the 2 possibilities are that Cain's wife was his sister or God created other people besides Adam and Eve.

But this is very significant. There is no mention of God creating other people. Had he done so, this would change everything.


The laws against incest were not given until the days of Moses, thousands of years after Adam and Eve.

Oh, I'm aware of that. The Bible is full of incest, rape and sex orgies. Hard to believe they are selling it over the counter. lol

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Reply #14 posted 10/04/09 12:51pm

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vainandy said:

If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?



It doesn't say that it was there ONLY children did it?
No.
According to Jewish tradition, Adam and Eve had 56 children. This was possible, in part, because Adam lived to be 960 years old.
[Edited 10/4/09 12:55pm]

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Reply #15 posted 10/04/09 12:57pm

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Another reason why people wanted 2 kill Cain when he was sent away by God.
The people (His own siblings and relatives) in other lands knew him and what he did 2 Able....
[Edited 10/4/09 13:00pm]

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Reply #16 posted 10/04/09 1:15pm

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Oh I see now....so incest is fine but homosexuality isn't.

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Reply #17 posted 10/04/09 1:44pm

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byronic said:

Abel didn't multiply since he was murdered, Cain went off and found his wife in the land of Nod, She was probably his sister, Adam and Eve had many more children after Cain and Abel and they all interbred. so according to Judeo Christian theology, all of humanity is the result of inbreeding.

The Land of Nod.....as in nodding off, as in asleep as most humans are.

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Reply #18 posted 10/04/09 2:18pm

1212121

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Oh I see now....so incest is fine but homosexuality isn't.



I guess it was alright back then...2 perpetuate humanity...they were also closer 2 perfection as humans back then...
Perfect food ,air and relationship with God than us now.
Homosexuality would not help multiply humanity.
So that would be going against what God wanted if the plan was to populate..right?
Does that render the Homosexual useless 2 God and his plan? No.
Truth is...we are all brothers and sisters in humanity.
It would be wrong if Adam or Eve were doing there children. eek

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Reply #19 posted 10/04/09 2:57pm

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Graycap23 said:

byronic said:

Abel didn't multiply since he was murdered, Cain went off and found his wife in the land of Nod, She was probably his sister, Adam and Eve had many more children after Cain and Abel and they all interbred. so according to Judeo Christian theology, all of humanity is the result of inbreeding.

The Land of Nod.....as in nodding off, as in asleep as most humans are.

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Reply #20 posted 10/04/09 3:11pm

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1212121 said:

vainandy said:

If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?



It doesn't say that it was there ONLY children did it?
No.
According to Jewish tradition, Adam and Eve had 56 children. This was possible, in part, because Adam lived to be 960 years old.[Edited 10/4/09 12:55pm]


Ah, okay. That explains it.
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comegetwild said:

OMG did a religious person actually question the Bible?... This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution.

Good start, now all U gotta do is keep asking. smile

Like... If God is an all powerful being that can create universes at will then why is it he can only communicate through a 2000 year old book? Hmmmm?

See how the tissues of lies start 2 disintegrate? wink


Never mind asking why, in his greatness, he had to destroy all of mankind and start over again to fix his mistakes (see Noah's Ark), and then had to revise things yet again (see the New Testament) after that.

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Reply #22 posted 10/04/09 3:59pm

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Vendetta1 said:

comegetwild said:

OMG did a religious person actually question the Bible?... This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution.

Good start, now all U gotta do is keep asking. smile

Like... If God is an all powerful being that can create universes at will then why is it he can only communicate through a 2000 year old book? Hmmmm?

See how the tissues of lies start 2 disintegrate? wink
Questioning the Bible is not a sign of weakening belief.


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Reply #23 posted 10/04/09 4:10pm

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bluesbaby said:

Vendetta1 said:

Questioning the Bible is not a sign of weakening belief.


thank you!!!!!

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Reply #24 posted 10/04/09 4:56pm

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vainandy said:

If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?


Noel and Liam had children.

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Reply #25 posted 10/04/09 8:19pm

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Maybe there were other people

Long read but worthwhile, the pertinent part is in paragraphs 11 to 14.

http://www.sanfords.net/P...eople.html
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Reply #26 posted 10/05/09 4:49am

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It is possible that just as how He created Adam and Eve, He could've created more ppl but the Bible just doesn't make an account of it.
It is also possible that there was inbreeding.
Many possibilities to think of...and because He's all powerful...our human minds can't comprehend many things, eg., the miracles etc etc.

I'd also like to add that the Bible is a faith-based believing Bible...again, our human minds won't be able to comprehend everything.
(Just like there are many things that happen and can't be explained through logic, science or physics, u just have accept it as is...through faith.)
If someone doesn't believe this, then they just don't...they can try but without faith, not everyone would...and that's just the way it is.

Freedom of choice...we'll just see what happens at the end.

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Reply #27 posted 10/05/09 4:56am

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comegetwild said:

OMG did a religious person actually question the Bible?... This is the dawning of a new spiritual revolution.

Good start, now all U gotta do is keep asking. smile

Like... If God is an all powerful being that can create universes at will then why is it he can only communicate through a 2000 year old book? Hmmmm?

See how the tissues of lies start 2 disintegrate? wink


Never mind asking why, in his greatness, he had to destroy all of mankind and start over again to fix his mistakes (see Noah's Ark), and then had to revise things yet again (see the New Testament) after that.


And the fact that those very stories prove his lack of omniscience and omnipotence and hence his lack of existence.
[Edited 10/5/09 4:59am]

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Reply #28 posted 10/05/09 4:58am

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vainandy said:

If Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Able, how did they multiply?


Noel and Liam had children.


Patsy Kensit is the mother of all humanity?

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Reply #29 posted 10/05/09 5:35am

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Do U really think that 2000 years ago God said... "Here's a big book, this big book will explain everything in vague and subjective detail, if U have any questions... Just make up U're own answers."?

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered...
Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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