ABORTION support at a NEW LOW

http://www.cnn.com/2009/P...index.html


The number of folks who support abortion is now 50%, and 45% of Americans believe abortion should not be legal regardless of the circumstances.

Now people can argue that the religious right is responsible, and I concur that they certainly are the loudest about the issue; however, this would mean there is no correlation or at least only a very weak correlation between religious views and abortion. I say this because religious populations are shrinking per capita. This means either more religious people are becoming active, or that there is something else going on--at least to me.

Now I used to be pro-abortion all the damned time, under all circumstances.
Now, I still support women's reproductive rights, but I'm not a huge advocate of them like I was before. I find abortion to be vulgar and in the third trimester, down right vile. At issue for me is that this still isn't enough for me to say--you know what, I don't think you have a right to do this. It's not like picking a new pair of shoes afterall.

But on the flipside, I've actually known girls who used it as a form of birth control. Some of them have since gone on to have children--one of them actually thinks she's going to hell for two earlier abortions.

But, I guess my take is that in the very first parts of the pregnancy, I acknowledge that what's growing inside a woman's womb has the potential to be a human being, but that at that early stage, it's isn't just yet. I know folks who say that you go down the slippery slope of playing God or of determining what it is to be human--and who has a right to define that BUT God? I understand all the sides of that argument--so, call me unsympathetic to the bundle of nerves and cells in the womb, but it's just not the same thing to me as a fully grown fetus just weeks away from being born.


Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

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Imago said:

Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

(double post)
[Edited 10/1/09 16:09pm]

Imago said:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/01/abortion.poll/index.html


The number of folks who support abortion is now 50%, and 45% of Americans believe abortion should not be legal regardless of the circumstances.

Now people can argue that the religious right is responsible, and I concur that they certainly are the loudest about the issue; however, this would mean there is no correlation or at least only a very weak correlation between religious views and abortion. I say this because religious populations are shrinking per capita. This means either more religious people are becoming active, or that there is something else going on--at least to me.

Now I used to be pro-abortion all the damned time, under all circumstances.
Now, I still support women's reproductive rights, but I'm not a huge advocate of them like I was before. I find abortion to be vulgar and in the third trimester, down right vile. At issue for me is that this still isn't enough for me to say--you know what, I don't think you have a right to do this. It's not like picking a new pair of shoes afterall.

But on the flipside, I've actually known girls who used it as a form of birth control. Some of them have since gone on to have children--one of them actually thinks she's going to hell for two earlier abortions.

But, I guess my take is that in the very first parts of the pregnancy, I acknowledge that what's growing inside a woman's womb has the potential to be a human being, but that at that early stage, it's isn't just yet. I know folks who say that you go down the slippery slope of playing God or of determining what it is to be human--and who has a right to define that BUT God? I understand all the sides of that argument--so, call me unsympathetic to the bundle of nerves and cells in the womb, but it's just not the same thing to me as a fully grown fetus just weeks away from being born.


Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

Terrible stats but it won't be overturned. Republicans need the propaganda weapon too much.

XxAxX said:

Imago said:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/01/abortion.poll/index.html


The number of folks who support abortion is now 50%, and 45% of Americans believe abortion should not be legal regardless of the circumstances.

Now people can argue that the religious right is responsible, and I concur that they certainly are the loudest about the issue; however, this would mean there is no correlation or at least only a very weak correlation between religious views and abortion. I say this because religious populations are shrinking per capita. This means either more religious people are becoming active, or that there is something else going on--at least to me.

Now I used to be pro-abortion all the damned time, under all circumstances.
Now, I still support women's reproductive rights, but I'm not a huge advocate of them like I was before. I find abortion to be vulgar and in the third trimester, down right vile. At issue for me is that this still isn't enough for me to say--you know what, I don't think you have a right to do this. It's not like picking a new pair of shoes afterall.

But on the flipside, I've actually known girls who used it as a form of birth control. Some of them have since gone on to have children--one of them actually thinks she's going to hell for two earlier abortions.

But, I guess my take is that in the very first parts of the pregnancy, I acknowledge that what's growing inside a woman's womb has the potential to be a human being, but that at that early stage, it's isn't just yet. I know folks who say that you go down the slippery slope of playing God or of determining what it is to be human--and who has a right to define that BUT God? I understand all the sides of that argument--so, call me unsympathetic to the bundle of nerves and cells in the womb, but it's just not the same thing to me as a fully grown fetus just weeks away from being born.


Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

i do not believe human life is innately any more 'sacred' than the life of, say, a pig. why would it be? what is so special about humans that doesn't apply to dolphins? elephants? parrots? crows? we are all tool-using, language-using, sentient creatures sharing a planet. so where does human life become 'special'?

only in the eyes of religion does humankind take centerstage and wallow in its self-endowed 'divinity'. it's ironic how many people think nothing of a so-called 'sport' like dog-fighting, cock-fighting, and even the cruelty of factory farming, who self-righteously proclaim human life in the form of a develping embryo to be sacred

personally, i think that whether or not a woman chooses to bear a child should be entirely her own decision, and women everywhere need to have the means to do what they needs to do for their own, personal bodies.
[Edited 10/1/09 17:02pm]

Imago said:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/01/abortion.poll/index.html


The number of folks who support abortion is now 50%, and 45% of Americans believe abortion should not be legal regardless of the circumstances.

Now people can argue that the religious right is responsible, and I concur that they certainly are the loudest about the issue; however, this would mean there is no correlation or at least only a very weak correlation between religious views and abortion. I say this because religious populations are shrinking per capita. This means either more religious people are becoming active, or that there is something else going on--at least to me.

Now I used to be pro-abortion all the damned time, under all circumstances.
Now, I still support women's reproductive rights, but I'm not a huge advocate of them like I was before. I find abortion to be vulgar and in the third trimester, down right vile. At issue for me is that this still isn't enough for me to say--you know what, I don't think you have a right to do this. It's not like picking a new pair of shoes afterall.

But on the flipside, I've actually known girls who used it as a form of birth control. Some of them have since gone on to have children--one of them actually thinks she's going to hell for two earlier abortions.

But, I guess my take is that in the very first parts of the pregnancy, I acknowledge that what's growing inside a woman's womb has the potential to be a human being, but that at that early stage, it's isn't just yet. I know folks who say that you go down the slippery slope of playing God or of determining what it is to be human--and who has a right to define that BUT God? I understand all the sides of that argument--so, call me unsympathetic to the bundle of nerves and cells in the womb, but it's just not the same thing to me as a fully grown fetus just weeks away from being born.


Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

ShinNihonKikou said:

Imago said:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/01/abortion.poll/index.html


The number of folks who support abortion is now 50%, and 45% of Americans believe abortion should not be legal regardless of the circumstances.

Now people can argue that the religious right is responsible, and I concur that they certainly are the loudest about the issue; however, this would mean there is no correlation or at least only a very weak correlation between religious views and abortion. I say this because religious populations are shrinking per capita. This means either more religious people are becoming active, or that there is something else going on--at least to me.

Now I used to be pro-abortion all the damned time, under all circumstances.
Now, I still support women's reproductive rights, but I'm not a huge advocate of them like I was before. I find abortion to be vulgar and in the third trimester, down right vile. At issue for me is that this still isn't enough for me to say--you know what, I don't think you have a right to do this. It's not like picking a new pair of shoes afterall.

But on the flipside, I've actually known girls who used it as a form of birth control. Some of them have since gone on to have children--one of them actually thinks she's going to hell for two earlier abortions.

But, I guess my take is that in the very first parts of the pregnancy, I acknowledge that what's growing inside a woman's womb has the potential to be a human being, but that at that early stage, it's isn't just yet. I know folks who say that you go down the slippery slope of playing God or of determining what it is to be human--and who has a right to define that BUT God? I understand all the sides of that argument--so, call me unsympathetic to the bundle of nerves and cells in the womb, but it's just not the same thing to me as a fully grown fetus just weeks away from being born.


Anyways, I know this thread will eventually get locked, but I guess I want to know your thoughts--especially if you're liberal and think like I do on most issues, but swing much further left than I do on abortion...

What do you want? To require all women who get pregnant by any means to *have to* have the child? Don't you see the problem in dictating what someone else must choose for their own life and family? Wouldn't it be better to not practice abortion if you are against it, and allow someone else to make their own choices?

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I personally would never have an abortion but I dont have a problem with other people going through with them.
At the end of the day it shouldnt be anyone elses buisness

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