The racist, genocidal Bible!

Look at these parts of the Old Testement. Proof that the Bible is not only racist but genocidal:

"Exodus 11:

4 So Moses said, "This is what the LORD says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt-worse than there has ever been or ever will be again. 7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any man or animal.' Then you will know that the LORD makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.

Exodus 12:

So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.

Deuteronomy 7:

1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations-the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Numbers 31

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."

3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.

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13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle.

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

1 Samuel 15:

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

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7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, to the east of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs, everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.

10 Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel: 11 "I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions"

Pretty open and shut if you ask me...lol No wonder Glenn Beck is a wack job.

Wave your wildsigns high!!

Oh please...that's not racists since these people are all similar in ethnicity and living near each other and already intermingling. As far as genocide or rather flat out war and murder...people did that to the Israelites already, war was the law of the land (we still do this shit today) and if you are a follower of a false idol (basically Satan) then you deserve whatever God brings down on you.

I wonder how much war and murder was going on before the bible was written. Now that we live in a world that seems to be increasingly more and more agnostic if not flat out anti-religious then how come we are killing more and coming up with more barbaric weaponry?

Man doesn't need the Old testament to be cruel to his fellow man...it's what people do! Man looks for excuses to explain away his evil when it's just part of his being. Also, why don't you point out parts of the old testament where God is blessing his people? Why don't you focus on the new testament where there's not as much war and killing?

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

DesireeNevermind said:

Dsoul said:

DesireeNevermind said:

if you are a follower of a false idol (basically Satan) then you deserve whatever God brings down on you.

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

DesireeNevermind said:

Oh please...that's not racists since these people are all similar in ethnicity and living near each other and already intermingling. As far as genocide or rather flat out war and murder...people did that to the Israelites already, war was the law of the land (we still do this shit today) and if you are a follower of a false idol (basically Satan) then you deserve whatever God brings down on you.


...Dont know where to begin on that note...




I wonder how much war and murder was going on before the bible was written. Now that we live in a world that seems to be increasingly more and more agnostic if not flat out anti-religious then how come we are killing more and coming up with more barbaric weaponry?



Because according to them they are doing it for Allah because we are the ones that are wrong except them....If it wasnt for said religion they wouldnt be doing this all together.


Man doesn't need the Old testament to be cruel to his fellow man...it's what people do! Man looks for excuses to explain away his evil when it's just part of his being. Also, why don't you point out parts of the old testament where God is blessing his people? Why don't you focus on the new testament where there's not as much war and killing?


Both scriptures are just stories told by people and what they seen / thought / and believed. We were not there to witness it and God/Jesus/Allah/Mohammed whatever did not write any of those passages. people just take the word as truth and treat it as their own without question. Fellow man makes this human like God to judge other human beings too as a stance to kill other people just as much as they use human like God to love other people.

Both Testaments are mere stories of the background of the world as they saw it not providing any details on any other cultural upbringing. I suggest both of you read alot more and study more than the Bible and come to terms with your truths by facts. There is no proof that these stories are fiction or fact.

Its the way of the world....and I move on

^ Okay I'm not sure what your point is. You believe the bible or no? You believe man is inherently both good and evil or no? Why you bring up Allah? That's the muslim name for God/Jehovah/Yahweh and they aren't the only ones who kill or have killed. Stalin murdered 20 million of his own people and he was not religious at all.

If it wasn't for said religion who wouldn't be doing what? So if it weren't for religion then human beings would be saints and there would be no war? No war over resources, no war between governments, no war over another man's woman, land, child? Everything would be all peaches and cream? I'm not understanding where you are going with your post.

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

DesireeNevermind said:

^ Okay I'm not sure what your point is. You believe the bible or no?


Not everything no

You believe man is inherently both good and evil or no?


Don't believe in "evil". More so its negative energy created by human mindset.



Why you bring up Allah?

Because negative people use Allah as a reason to kill recently. Which is associated with their form of the religion.


That's the muslim name for God/Jehovah/Yahweh and they aren't the only ones who kill or have killed. Stalin murdered 20 million of his own people and he was not religious at all





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If it wasn't for said religion who wouldn't be doing what? So if it weren't for religion then human beings would be saints and there would be no war? No war over resources, no war between governments, no war over another man's woman, land, child? Everything would be all peaches and cream? I'm not understanding where you are going with your post.



Im talking about Al-Queida to be honest. Just as I am assuming you were in your post
"Now that we live in a world that seems to be increasingly more and more agnostic if not flat out anti-religious then how come we are killing more and coming up with more barbaric weaponry? "

They are the ones who are claiming their religion everytime they do something negative. I only had used that as an example.

Fellow man makes this human like God to judge other human beings too as a stance to kill other people just as much as they use human like God to love other people.

The point I was trying to make is that both Testaments are negative and positive..I was also suggesting to both of you other research instead of the bible. Even though this post was about the negative aspect of the bible...thus the person who posted it is taking it as word of truth as you have seem to be influnced also. I just suggest to come to your own conclusions. This argument is invalid..Im out lol

Dsoul said:

DesireeNevermind said:

if you are a follower of a false idol (basically Satan) then you deserve whatever God brings down on you.

kenlacam said:

Dsoul said:

This quote here is the typical "Christian" response, the high and mighty "we are right, everyone else is going to hell" attitude that turns off so many people to Christianity.

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

The difference is, though, that most Eastern religions, such as Buddhism, etc, are TOLERANT of other people's religious views, and they don't tell them that "you're going to HELL" if you don't repent, blah blah blah. That is the difference. So-called Christians are so quick to pass judgement and are highly intolerant of differing views. That is the point that I am making. They preach love but obviously don't practice it. Hypocrisy runs rampant in the church.

kenlacam said:

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

DesireeNevermind said:

kenlacam said:

The difference is, though, that most Eastern religions, such as Buddhism, etc, are TOLERANT of other people's religious views, and they don't tell them that "you're going to HELL" if you don't repent, blah blah blah. That is the difference. So-called Christians are so quick to pass judgement and are highly intolerant of differing views. That is the point that I am making. They preach love but obviously don't practice it. Hypocrisy runs rampant in the church.

Where do you get this information from? What church are you talking about? You've been to every single Christian church and know every single Christian thereby determining them all to be passing judgement and highly intolerant? Now that's a typically ignorant and intolerant statement itself. That's like saying most black people steal, most gays are immoral and women are not as smart as men. Yep, those are the 4 typical statements from people who like to pigeon hole, pass judgement and point the finger.

and that is all I have to say about this matter. I can only speak from personal experience, and after reading what you said, it's no wonder why people don't want to go to church.
Good-bye. I won't be reading this thread anymore, so feel free to post whatever response you may have.

kenlacam said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Where do you get this information from? What church are you talking about? You've been to every single Christian church and know every single Christian thereby determining them all to be passing judgement and highly intolerant? Now that's a typically ignorant and intolerant statement itself. That's like saying most black people steal, most gays are immoral and women are not as smart as men. Yep, those are the 4 typical statements from people who like to pigeon hole, pass judgement and point the finger.

Well, I am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, being the son of a preacher, grew up in church, and became disenfranchised with all the hypocrisy that I have witnessed REPEATEDLY from visiting different churches and denominations, so I know what I'm talking about. That's where I get my info from-EXPERIENCE. Just so you know, I'm not just making stuff up. and if you have any exposure to various churches, you know I'm telling the truth.

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

2freaky4church1 said:

IMO just more proof that The Bible has shit-all to do with any God or Gods there might be. Humans wrote that mess. Violent, stupid, xenophobic humans.

chiltonmusic said:

chiltonmusic said:

People who don't believe in the bible sure do spend a lot of time cherry picking what they don't like about it. Also, if for those who believe the bible to be pathetic, filled with ignorance, violence, and prejudices, they must also believe mankind itself (ourselves) is violent, ignorant and culturaly prejudice given that not much has changed in human behavior, needs, and desires since bible times. Sounds like some people use the bible as a crutch for how they really feel about mankind and with that said, why remain a part of such an ill fated species? If there is no beauty in the bilbe or other religious texts and there is no beauty in mankind then why not make your exit from this cruel cruel world? Just a thought.

" LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!

DesireeNevermind said:

People who don't believe in the bible sure do spend a lot of time cherry picking what they don't like about it. Also, if for those who believe the bible to be pathetic, filled with ignorance, violence, and prejudices, they must also believe mankind itself (ourselves) is violent, ignorant and culturaly prejudice given that not much has changed in human behavior, needs, and desires since bible times. Sounds like some people use the bible as a crutch for how they really feel about mankind and with that said, why remain a part of such an ill fated species? If there is no beauty in the bilbe or other religious texts and there is no beauty in mankind then why not make your exit from this cruel cruel world? Just a thought.

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RenHoek said:

Numbers 31

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."

3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.

Damn! Even Moses was out to get the Midia, I wonder if they were all left wing too...

kenlacam said:

kenlacam said:

Dsoul said:

This quote here is the typical "Christian" response, the high and mighty "we are right, everyone else is going to hell" attitude that turns off so many people to Christianity.

demore said:

kenlacam said:

This quote here is the typical "Christian" response, the high and mighty "we are right, everyone else is going to hell" attitude that turns off so many people to Christianity.

That is Christianity. It is not about right and wrong, it just is. If you are a Christian then you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and that there is no other way to the Father except through Him. If a Christian believed that everyone else wasn't going to hell, they wouldn't be a Christian regardless of what Obama says.

DesireeNevermind said:

People who don't believe in the bible sure do spend a lot of time cherry picking what they don't like about it. Also, if for those who believe the bible to be pathetic, filled with ignorance, violence, and prejudices, they must also believe mankind itself (ourselves) is violent, ignorant and culturaly prejudice given that not much has changed in human behavior, needs, and desires since bible times. Sounds like some people use the bible as a crutch for how they really feel about mankind and with that said, why remain a part of such an ill fated species? If there is no beauty in the bilbe or other religious texts and there is no beauty in mankind then why not make your exit from this cruel cruel world? Just a thought.

demore said:

kenlacam said:

This quote here is the typical "Christian" response, the high and mighty "we are right, everyone else is going to hell" attitude that turns off so many people to Christianity.

That is Christianity. It is not about right and wrong, it just is. If you are a Christian then you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and that there is no other way to the Father except through Him. If a Christian believed that everyone else wasn't going to hell, they wouldn't be a Christian regardless of what Obama says.

meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

People who don't believe in the bible sure do spend a lot of time cherry picking what they don't like about it. Also, if for those who believe the bible to be pathetic, filled with ignorance, violence, and prejudices, they must also believe mankind itself (ourselves) is violent, ignorant and culturaly prejudice given that not much has changed in human behavior, needs, and desires since bible times. Sounds like some people use the bible as a crutch for how they really feel about mankind and with that said, why remain a part of such an ill fated species? If there is no beauty in the bilbe or other religious texts and there is no beauty in mankind then why not make your exit from this cruel cruel world? Just a thought.

There is beauty and truth to be had in the Bible and other Holy texts, just as there is in humanity. But there is also hate, ignorance, and fear in both as well.

In many ways Holy Books can be read as sort of a microcosm of our species.

seekingtruth said: