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Homosexuality vs Health Care In the year 2004 Karl Rove and W decided that with support for the war in Iraq falling off that a new holy war had to be started. That holy war was gay marriage. Now let me say that my stance on gay marriage has been well documented. I don't believe in gay marriage supported by any church that calls itself Christian. It just doesn't add up. Yet I also don't believe that gay marriage has anything to do with the fall of western civilization nor would it kill, demoralize, desensitize nor plunge America into the bowels of hell. I mean let's face it Christians right now gay marriage isn't legal and I don't believe that has prevented homosexuality at all.
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Cause it didn't cost jesus anything. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" |
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lazycrockett said: Cause it didn't cost jesus anything.
 LOL wait a minute.....I think this is the first one that I have given all year!!! NOW THAT SHIT WAS FUNNY!!!! 
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well, gay marriage is not an argument about religious marriage, its a fight for equal protection under the laws provided by civil marriage... it has nothing to do with religion or religious marriage.
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cborgman said: well, gay marriage is not an argument about religious marriage, its a fight for equal protection under the laws provided by civil marriage... it has nothing to do with religion or religious marriage.
other than that; interesting thread. i look forward to the repsonses of those against healthcare reform 
[Edited 9/21/09 15:32pm] Yep but it was sold to the Christian community as the "fight for the bible, the fight for marriage". I really do feel that health care is the much greater Christian cause and I honestly don't understand the reason why it isn't bigger on the Chrisitan radar! THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: cborgman said: well, gay marriage is not an argument about religious marriage, its a fight for equal protection under the laws provided by civil marriage... it has nothing to do with religion or religious marriage.
other than that; interesting thread. i look forward to the repsonses of those against healthcare reform
[Edited 9/21/09 15:32pm] Yep but it was sold to the Christian community as the "fight for the bible, the fight for marriage". I really do feel that health care is the much greater Christian cause and I honestly don't understand the reason why it isn't bigger on the Chrisitan radar! believe me, i know the bullshit that was sold to the public. nice to see you have crossed over on the issue. good for you. i am curious to hear an answer from the anti-healthcare folks. "passing strange"... experience the real
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chiltonmusic said: cborgman said: well, gay marriage is not an argument about religious marriage, its a fight for equal protection under the laws provided by civil marriage... it has nothing to do with religion or religious marriage.
other than that; interesting thread. i look forward to the repsonses of those against healthcare reform
[Edited 9/21/09 15:32pm] Yep but it was sold to the Christian community as the "fight for the bible, the fight for marriage". I really do feel that health care is the much greater Christian cause and I honestly don't understand the reason why it isn't bigger on the Chrisitan radar! A lot of people of faith, Christian and otherwise, ARE fighting for health care reform. The problem is that an extremely vocal wingnut minority has elbowed its way into a spokesperson role and said noisy crazies are more interested in pursuing their own xenophobic agenda than they are interested in pursuing something which should be a given right to everyone. Unfortunately, this group holds a fair amount of political and social clout, particularly but not exclusively in the midwest and the south. IMO they don't give a shit about loving their neighbours or anyone else, for them it's all about power. We are stardust. We are golden.
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It's an interesting sentiment, Chilt... er Cardinal Chilton! (You haven't been defrocked, right? ________________
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chiltonmusic said: cborgman said: well, gay marriage is not an argument about religious marriage, its a fight for equal protection under the laws provided by civil marriage... it has nothing to do with religion or religious marriage.
other than that; interesting thread. i look forward to the repsonses of those against healthcare reform
[Edited 9/21/09 15:32pm] Yep but it was sold to the Christian community as the "fight for the bible, the fight for marriage". I really do feel that health care is the much greater Christian cause and I honestly don't understand the reason why it isn't bigger on the Chrisitan radar! Maybe it's because these "Christians" aren't Christ-like, at all. | |
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13cjk13 said: chiltonmusic said: Yep but it was sold to the Christian community as the "fight for the bible, the fight for marriage". I really do feel that health care is the much greater Christian cause and I honestly don't understand the reason why it isn't bigger on the Chrisitan radar! Maybe it's because these "Christians" aren't Christ-like, at all. What's that I hear? A hammer hitting a nail square on the head.  We are stardust. We are golden.
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The health of their own citizens belongs to the authorities, to the central government. And so I have been 16 years in the States and I was wondering why a big portion of the American people is deprived, have no health assistance at all. I could never explain this…
And you know that everywhere in the world it is a concern of the government first of all, and after there are possibilities also on the private sector, but those who are without anything… the central government must provide to that. So I cannot but applaud this initiative. Cardinal Renato Martino, who is head of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace http://cnsblog.wordpress....nitiative/ The U.S. Roman Catholic bishops raised their voices in the healthcare reform debate last week—both for universal coverage and against the inclusion of abortion in government-run health insurance http://www.usnews.com/blo...rtion.html Universal Health Care Guided by Catholic Social Teaching, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops advocates universal health care reform, with respect for human life and dignity and special concern for the poor and legal immigrants. To learn more about what the bishops are saying and doing about health reform, see http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/ "I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith I have tried to right my path. I want you to know Your Holiness that in my nearly 50 years of elective office, I have done my best to champion the rights of the poor and open doors of economic opportunity. I have worked to welcome the immigrant, to fight discrimination, and expand access to health care and education. I have opposed the death penalty, and fought to end war. Those are the issues that have motivated me and been the focus of my work as a United States Senator. "I also want you to know that even though I am ill, I am committed to do everything I can to achieve access to health care for everyone in my country. This has been the political cause of my life. I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health field, and I'll continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone. Senator Ted Kennedy it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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) But I hope you're "out there" spreading the message as well as talking to the mostly already converted here.
) care. Some may buy that line, some may not. But for all the deficiencies and ideological faux pas coloring Democrat-proposed reforms, I can't help but think it is nevertheless somewhat telling that the discussion has evolved as something largely initiated and made a pet project not by our bible-thumping G.O.P. brethren, but by their heathen, socialist political archrivals. 
I guess we can make of that what we will. 
