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Thread started 09/06/09 11:18am

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Van Jones thrown under the bus.

Van Jones, the Green Energy Czar had to quit because of controversial comments he had made about Republicans and that he signed a petition saying that 9/11 was an inside job.

Jones says that he didn't read the petition well and wishes he didn't sign it and he apologized for other comments. He was first accused by the Hannities and Glenn Beck's of being a radical Communist. He is pretty progressive, but I doubt he is a radical and even if he was, who cares. Obama has Republicans in his cabinet. Jones was a communist in his college days, but he gave that up and became a capitalist. Remember, there are many on the right who were once marxists, but became righties.

Obama, in my view, is throwing him under the bus, because he just doesn't want that tainting his messages about healthcare and the like.

Sad, because Jones is really a talented guy on Green issues. Plus, he is highly respected in the African American community. I predict an angry march on the White House..lol

That's all we need, another black guy thrown to the wolves. Glenn Beck stays on Fox but talented black guys get the shiv. Sad world.

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Reply #1 posted 09/06/09 11:56am

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I think you're right. I'm hearing that President Obama didn't force him to resign though., but if he didn't, I'm sure that would give the haters another reason to use go after President Obama, for what Van Jones said. They would have probably used the same tactics they did with Jeremiah Wright to smear Obama.
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Reply #2 posted 09/06/09 1:25pm

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disbelief i guess the day come has when Glenn Beck starts affecting policy. god help us all.
[Edited 9/6/09 13:26pm]

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Reply #3 posted 09/06/09 1:31pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

disbelief i guess the day come has when Glenn Beck starts affecting policy. god help us all.
[Edited 9/6/09 13:26pm]


Looks like Glen Beck is the new head of the Democratic party. disbelief

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Reply #4 posted 09/06/09 3:07pm

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2the9s said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

disbelief i guess the day come has when Glenn Beck starts affecting policy. god help us all.
[Edited 9/6/09 13:26pm]


Looks like Glen Beck is the new head of the Democratic party. disbelief


lol because Limbaugh is already the head of the GOP?

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Reply #5 posted 09/06/09 6:46pm

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You got to love the GOP propaganda machine, it gets the job done.

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Reply #6 posted 09/06/09 6:51pm

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good.

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Reply #7 posted 09/06/09 7:07pm

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Totally nod

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Reply #8 posted 09/06/09 7:08pm

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who cares if Van Jones thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy? Who cares that he said a black child would never do a Columbine incident? First of all maybe it was a conspiracy haven't done enough research to validate that claim. Second, he is correct about the Columbine statement. I'm what he would say behind closed doors "a cracker" and the reason I do agree is the social tendencies of crackers would suggest we are "loners" while blacks travel in packs. Like it or not, these are accurate statements.
I don't think he should have resigned based on these issues. I'm sure the good ole boys that just left the white house have probably said to their friends " how will the chef adapt from baked pheasant to ribs every night"
Point is it all comes down to race. Everyone is racist to a certain extent, let's accept it and move on.

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Reply #9 posted 09/06/09 7:12pm

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Reply #10 posted 09/06/09 10:03pm

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So if there was nothing wrong with Van Jones,why was he forced to quit.
It's pretty obvious this guy is pretty radical. I mean if he was such a great leader for America why was he forced out.

you guys are nuts.

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Reply #11 posted 09/07/09 6:34am

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After all this "birther" BS, there was NO WAY Obama could keep someone around that signed a "truther" petition.

I don't care who the guy was, I don't care if he claims he was seduced by a big-tittied woman into signing it.

As Tina Fey would say, signing a "truther" petition is an automatic DEALBREAKER.

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Reply #12 posted 09/07/09 7:34am

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Heck yeah, Van Jones was thrown under the bus. When Van Jones former organization (Color of Change) was so instrumental in getting numerous advertisers to drop their sponsorship of Beck the Baboon. This was payback courtesy of Murdoch and Ailes. I just wish that Van Jones would have stood his ground and fought back. The GOP hate when you fight back.

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Reply #13 posted 09/07/09 7:46am

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What gets me is:

he is an avowed communist and that is okay with obama.
he make hateful racist rants and that is okay with obama
he signs a truther statement and that is the problem?

The fact that much of this 'dirt' was reported by FOX news tells me that other media outlets lack the integrity to do a little vetting. CBS seems to have done more digging on Joe the Plumber than on Van Jones.

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Reply #14 posted 09/07/09 7:48am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

What gets me is:

he is an avowed communist and that is okay with obama.
he make hateful racist rants and that is okay with obama
he signs a truther statement and that is the problem?

The fact that much of this 'dirt' was reported by FOX news tells me that other media outlets lack the integrity to do a little vetting. CBS seems to have done more digging on Joe the Plumber than on Van Jones.



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Reply #15 posted 09/07/09 8:15am

OnlyNDaUsa

smile nice

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Reply #16 posted 09/07/09 8:23am

2elijah

JellyBean said:

Heck yeah, Van Jones was thrown under the bus. When Van Jones former organization (Color of Change) was so instrumental in getting numerous advertisers to drop their sponsorship of Beck the Baboon. This was payback courtesy of Murdoch and Ailes. I just wish that Van Jones would have stood his ground and fought back. The GOP hate when you fight back.


It was definitely payback because of the loss of sponsorhip from Beck's show. What did Beck expect. He spews racist BS, did he expect many of his sponsors to continue to back his show? That would be loss of revenue and consumers for them. I hope beck loses more sponsors.

But now that Van is not attached to the President's administration any longer, I hope he does not hold back his points of view. Interesting points he made about the Columbine incident though. I guess the typical assholes couldn't handle it.
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Reply #17 posted 09/07/09 12:19pm

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JellyBean said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

What gets me is:

he is an avowed communist and that is okay with obama.
he make hateful racist rants and that is okay with obama
he signs a truther statement and that is the problem?

The fact that much of this 'dirt' was reported by FOX news tells me that other media outlets lack the integrity to do a little vetting. CBS seems to have done more digging on Joe the Plumber than on Van Jones.



You are 31 Flavors of Dumb.


typical tactic. somebody makes a valid point and you guys start calling names.

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Reply #18 posted 09/07/09 1:46pm

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More will come out. Much was not reported on - about Van Jones being a radical.

Americans in the dark. Again.

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Reply #19 posted 09/07/09 4:49pm

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You got to love the GOP propaganda machine, it gets the job done.


Are you saying it's not true or that you agree his past isn't relative or that he's ok for leading position?

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Reply #20 posted 09/07/09 8:41pm

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YESWECAN said:

lazycrockett said:

You got to love the GOP propaganda machine, it gets the job done.


Are you saying it's not true or that you agree his past isn't relative or that he's ok for leading position?


Good Point! Personally, I believe this should be relevant to all Americans. I want leaders that believe in our American values regardless of political affiliation.

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shellyann said:

YESWECAN said:



Are you saying it's not true or that you agree his past isn't relative or that he's ok for leading position?


Good Point! Personally, I believe this should be relevant to all Americans. I want leaders that believe in our American values regardless of political affiliation.

What are "American" Values?

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

shellyann said:



Good Point! Personally, I believe this should be relevant to all Americans. I want leaders that believe in our American values regardless of political affiliation.

What are "American" Values?


I take it you're not American. Americans value democracy and our freedoms.

I was trying to say I want someone who believes in and has always believed in democracy, not communism, to be in a position of authority. I am sure you can understand that. Americans want change.... just not that kind of change.

Thanks for asking!

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Reply #23 posted 09/08/09 2:38pm

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shellyann said:


I take it you're not American.


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shellyann said:


Americans value democracy and our freedoms


Yeah, but fuck everybody else's. thumbs up!

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Reply #24 posted 09/08/09 2:38pm

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shellyann said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


What are "American" Values?


I take it you're not American. Americans value democracy and our freedoms.

I was trying to say I want someone who believes in and has always believed in democracy, not communism, to be in a position of authority. I am sure you can understand that. Americans want change.... just not that kind of change.

Thanks for asking!


Are you referring to the kind of democracy where big business can routinely buy its politicians? Or where political opinions who don't support the corporate agenda are carefully left out of the mainstream media? When you look at opinion polls it's clear that a significant proportion of Americans favours a single payer health system. We can discuss about the exact percentages, but why are people who support such a non-commercial, socialized approach to healthcare completely left out of the debate? Is this really democratic?

Van Jones clearly repudiated his earlier left wing beliefs and has become a firm believer in the utopia of a "green capitalism". So it's not really "that" (socialist) kind of change the man stands for. Obama is back peddling because of rumours which could hurt him, and the man signed a dubious petition. If Obama had shown some strength of conviction on progressive issues, he might not have to back peddle and flee from conservative attacks that much. But that's like asking a Democratic duck to be a working class tiger. Just not very likely.

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marxisreal said:[quote]We can discuss about the exact percentages, but why are people who support such a non-commercial, socialized approach to healthcare completely left out of the debate? Is this really democratic?[quote]

That is a very good point and I am not aware of exact percentages either! I think debate is occurring, unfortunately, the media is more interested in reporting the juicy stuff, like crazy town hall meetings. It is hard to trust the media for they are more concerned with ratings.They sensationalize things in order to compete for viewership. It is unfortunate, but they have to! If they had enough viewership, they would provide us with accurate and balanced news, but since they are struggling, we have to accept what is presented and apply our own discernment.

Hey, It is better than nothing!

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Reply #26 posted 09/09/09 3:05am

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shellyann said:

marxisreal said:

We can discuss about the exact percentages, but why are people who support such a non-commercial, socialized approach to healthcare completely left out of the debate? Is this really democratic?


That is a very good point and I am not aware of exact percentages either! I think debate is occurring, unfortunately, the media is more interested in reporting the juicy stuff, like crazy town hall meetings. It is hard to trust the media for they are more concerned with ratings.They sensationalize things in order to compete for viewership. It is unfortunate, but they have to! If they had enough viewership, they would provide us with accurate and balanced news, but since they are struggling, we have to accept what is presented and apply our own discernment.
Hey, It is better than nothing!


eek if only more people tuned into Glenn Beck, he'd start telling the truth?

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Reply #27 posted 09/09/09 5:24am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Van Jones, the Green Energy Czar had to quit because of controversial comments he had made about Republicans and that he signed a petition saying that 9/11 was an inside job.

Jones says that he didn't read the petition well and wishes he didn't sign it and he apologized for other comments. He was first accused by the Hannities and Glenn Beck's of being a radical Communist. He is pretty progressive, but I doubt he is a radical and even if he was, who cares. Obama has Republicans in his cabinet. Jones was a communist in his college days, but he gave that up and became a capitalist. Remember, there are many on the right who were once marxists, but became righties.

Obama, in my view, is throwing him under the bus, because he just doesn't want that tainting his messages about healthcare and the like.

Sad, because Jones is really a talented guy on Green issues. Plus, he is highly respected in the African American community. I predict an angry march on the White House..lol

That's all we need, another black guy thrown to the wolves. Glenn Beck stays on Fox but talented black guys get the shiv. Sad world.


He's an admitted Communist, or at least was 2 years ago. Moreover, he's an idiot...The president showed his true lack of experience in that appointment.

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Reply #28 posted 09/09/09 12:42pm

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Alternet has a great investigative piece on why Jones was actually fired:

http://www.alternet.org/p...van_jones/

It seems corporate American wanted to do a hit job on him, because they do not want any progress towards the environment, because it may eat into their profits. Figures.

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Reply #29 posted 09/10/09 11:57am

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shellyann said:

Americans value democracy and our freedoms.


eek

You sure? Is that why Bush was able to steal an election so he could fail to protect the nation on 9/11, start an illegal and endless war, raise the national debt with 7 trillion, fail to provide health care to 50 million Americans, fail to prevent the economy from collapsing, but succeed in effectively stripping you of your right to privacy, habeus corpus and a fair trial?

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