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Health Care Forum With The President Today The event is today (Thursday, August 20th) at 2:30 p.m. ET/1:30 p.m. CT/12:30 p.m. MT/11:30 a.m. PT.
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Thanks Hatrina, I'm at work and bored. So I'll see if I could check it out. Education, the greatest weapon
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Okay, so under the public option, you will not be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
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Sorry about not replying sooner. I'm working as well and just had the volume up so that I could hear the President.
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Yes, he did say that there may be some hardship exemptions for those in just dire straights. Of course, I'm a Liberal! I'm an American, damn it!
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Sorry about not replying sooner. I'm working as well and just had the volume up so that I could hear the President.
When he was explaining why he doesn't want the Public Options to be labeled as the whole his Health Care Reform plan is because people with insurance will and HAVE wondered what's in it for them. They are happy and content with their insurance and want to keep it that way. He explained what's in if for them is provisions by law that their current insurance company cannot and will not be able to deny them specific coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As it stands right this minute their insurance company can deny them because of a pre-existing condition and there is nothing they can do about it but try and figure out how to pay for it themselves even though they have insurance. Thanks, that was the part I missed. So with the health care reform, those with insurance already, will not be denied specific coverage, based on pre-existing conditions. I think that is great and a major plus. I work in the health field and too often see this happen to patients, friends and relatives. It's a damn shame when the insurance company has the last say on a person's health, even though many of them have physicians on board to help them make that decision, and there are times when the decision to approve/deny is not made by a physician at the insurance company. I feel this will help cut the BS that goes on behind the insurance company doors. Another concern of mine, is insurance companies, refusing to cover prescriptions they feel are too expensive. I understand being cost-effective, but if it is a medication that works best for the patient, then the insurance company should have some alternate solution, to work out with the patient. Some patients' medications can run $200 plus per month, depending on their medical condition. . [Edited 8/20/09 13:25pm] Education, the greatest weapon
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Yes, he did say that there may be some hardship exemptions for those in just dire straights.
Thanks for clearing that up. I sit in the office with other co-workers, and when they were on the phone, they pretty much were drowning out what I was trying to listen to.  [Edited 8/20/09 13:25pm] Education, the greatest weapon
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I'm self employed and healthy. I pay $365 dollars a month for my own insurance, luckily all I use it for are checkups and in case i do get sick.
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I hope these people protesting at town hall meetings really know what it is they are protesting. If they do, that's fine, and they are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone else. But when I see people stand up and mention they are proud NRA members and the like at meetings that have nothing to do with gun control, and simply yell about taxes, then I question if they know what it is they are protesting. Superstition ain't the way... |
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Superstition said: I hope these people protesting at town hall meetings really know what it is they are protesting. If they do, that's fine, and they are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone else. But when I see people stand up and mention they are proud NRA members and the like at meetings that have nothing to do with gun control, and simply yell about taxes, then I question if they know what it is they are protesting.
[Edited 8/20/09 14:54pm] Especially since Obama hasn't even mentioned signing off on a no-brainer like an assault weapons ban, let alone any other reigning in of guns. Indeed, combine Obama's refusal to do anything on guns with the paranoia of alot of these recent gun buyers, and you realize that guns have thoroughly proliferated under Obama. But I think that more than that, there's a general sickness with the idea of an out of control spending government colluding with big banks and business to constantly screw the working guy. There's still anger over the Bush bank bailouts, and the auto industry takeover that cost many tens of more billions, the $800 billion stimulus and now, by CBO estimate, a healthcare plan with a $1.6 trillion start up cost, with little guarantee of savings, and, at over 1200 complicated pages in it's current form, ripe with the possibility of (negative) unintended consequences for those currently happy with their insurance. And there's a general sense that we're all really fucked. As the deficit soars to newfound heights and the spectre of medicare/social security insolvency hangs over us all, waiting inevitably to strike, the government is busy shoveling (and borrowing)like motherfuckers, burying us ever deeper in the ever tightening shit. | |
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violetblues said: I'm self employed and healthy. I pay $365 dollars a month for my own insurance, luckily all I use it for are checkups and in case i do get sick.
My main concern are the horror stories of people being dropped, or their premiums jacked up when they do get seriously sick or injured. I really feel like a sucker paying this much and have to worry of being dropped from my insurer, or couldn’t afford to pay it if I end up not working because of my illness. Maybe you folks working for a large employer have it much better, but for someone like me, It gets scary. I feel we need some kind of reform, if only for the guarantee not to be dropped if you need expensive care. [Edited 8/20/09 13:44pm] 365 $ a month?!  I earn a bit above the average wage in Belgium and contribute about 480 $ each month to Social Security (which covers state pensions, health care, as well as child support and unemployment benefits). I can walk into a hospital when I want. Well if I'm sick.  When I pay 80 $ each year to my (non-commercial) health insurer I get extra coverage for several things.
That's not to say all is rosy in countries with general health care coverage, organized by the government. Because of the crisis and neoliberal policies people, even when partially insured, now have to pay more themselves, when they are in hospital, than in the past. There are also creeping attempts to liberalize and privatize parts of health care, and tax reductions for the bosses undermine the financing of the system. But nevertheless, it's still much better, imo, than the completely privatized mess you have in the US. You pay much more and you get less... | |
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violetblues said: I'm self employed and healthy. I pay $365 dollars a month for my own insurance, luckily all I use it for are checkups and in case i do get sick.
My main concern are the horror stories of people being dropped, or their premiums jacked up when they do get seriously sick or injured.I really feel like a sucker paying this much and have to worry of being dropped from my insurer, or couldn’t afford to pay it if I end up not working because of my illness. Maybe you folks working for a large employer have it much better, but for someone like me, It gets scary. I feel we need some kind of reform, if only for the guarantee not to be dropped if you need expensive care. [Edited 8/20/09 13:44pm] That's a major issue. I've heard many horror stories about insurance ocmpanies dropping people who have long-term illnesses, who need need continuous treatments, because of the cost of that long-term treatment. I do believe that is what President Obama is trying to stop. It seems these insurance companies try to find many ways to deny patients specific coverage for diagnostic testing, and often will request more medical information from the patients' physicians to determine if they really need specific tests,ordered by their physicians for further, extensive testing. It's sad really, because often times, certain tests patients need, could help catch diseases in its early stages, before it gets to the point where its too late. Now if you're financially well off, of course you could pay for any test, ordered by your physician, but unfortunately, many do not have a lifestyle where they can afford to do that. [Edited 8/21/09 6:44am] Education, the greatest weapon
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Good looking out, Hatrina. I will check it out, as well. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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I hope Obama can get it passed. It would be a good thing. Edmonton, AB -  - If you're happy and you know it  your hands, if you're happy and you know it do a  |
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