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Imago

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Lockerbie Flight 103 bomber released.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/W...index.html



He killed 270 people.
He served 8 years of a life sentence.

He's been released to go home so he can die a free man. He has 3 months left to live from a terminal form of prostate cancer.



My opinion is that he should be serving the rest of his life in prison. Why should someone who's committed such a terrible crime against innocent people be allowed to die in the comforts of his own bed?

I know this sounds awfully mean of me, but if I had family members on that flight, I would be livid.
[Edited 8/20/09 8:43am]



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Reply #1 posted 08/20/09 1:12pm

SUPRMAN

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Going home to die a free man?
In a body, that cannot serve him . . . .

What exactly is he going to do differently now that he is no longer imprisoned?

I doubt his bed will hold much comfort if it makes you feel any better.

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Reply #2 posted 08/20/09 1:45pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Going home to die a free man?
In a body, that cannot serve him . . . .

What exactly is he going to do differently now that he is no longer imprisoned?

I doubt his bed will hold much comfort if it makes you feel any better.



Nicely put.
I agree.The Scottish government has done the right thing IMO

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Reply #3 posted 08/20/09 1:48pm

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I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.

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Reply #4 posted 08/20/09 1:55pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


And how do you feel about pressure from The States to keep him imprisoned?

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Reply #5 posted 08/20/09 2:00pm

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muirdo said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


And how do you feel about pressure from The States to keep him imprisoned?

I understand it but it's not our place to say.

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Reply #6 posted 08/20/09 2:34pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


Charles Manson disciple and Sharon Tate's killer Susan Atkins has brain cancer and asked for release to die at home, but she was denied and will remain in prison till her dying breath.

'Tis the American way, it seems.

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Reply #7 posted 08/20/09 3:07pm

YESWECAN

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


I'm not sure if I've ever agreed with Supa before biggrin
Well atleast the first part.

I don't know if a man that was part of blowing 270 people to bits
deserves any "humanitarianism"

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Reply #8 posted 08/20/09 3:24pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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YESWECAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


I'm not sure if I've ever agreed with Supa before biggrin
Well atleast the first part.

I don't know if a man that was part of blowing 270 people to bits
deserves any "humanitarianism"

No, but treating him like a human being, which he still is, makes us better people/society.

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Reply #9 posted 08/20/09 3:25pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

YESWECAN said:



I'm not sure if I've ever agreed with Supa before biggrin
Well atleast the first part.

I don't know if a man that was part of blowing 270 people to bits
deserves any "humanitarianism"

No, but treating him like a human being, which he still is, makes us better people/society.

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Reply #10 posted 08/20/09 3:27pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


No, but treating him like a human being, which he still is, makes us better people/society.

Shiiiiitttt! hmph!

I feel ya. I can't reconcile my feelings for justice (vengance) and for being that better person. There are equal parts of me that wants both.

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Reply #11 posted 08/20/09 3:50pm

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I think that people forget too easily that when individuals do terrible things to other people, it isn't just the family of the victims whom suffer. The families of the perpetrators also suffer.

The man is dying. He poses no threat to anybody. It's likely that if he were left to die in prison, he would have gained martyrdom status.

He may receive a hero's welcome in Libya. Gaddafi may choose to officially downplay the event (if he has any sense whatsoever) - or he may not. However, any further thoughts of vengeance by the more militant quarters of Libya, have now been diffused.

President Obama was wrong to issue a statement declaring the release "a mistake".

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Reply #12 posted 08/20/09 4:16pm

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I am sure that the families of the Lockerbie Flight 103 are ticked,but the release of this man is the right thing to do.

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Reply #13 posted 08/20/09 4:22pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SCNDLS said:


Shiiiiitttt! hmph!

I feel ya. I can't reconcile my feelings for justice (vengance) and for being that better person. There are equal parts of me that wants both.

I'm reconciled and totally unconflicted. He doesn't deserve to die in his bed with his loved ones around him. That's what he denied the victims on that plane, so fuck him. shrug

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Reply #14 posted 08/20/09 4:58pm

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Imago said:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/20/scotland.lockerbie.bomber/index.html



He killed 270 people.
He served 8 years of a life sentence.

He's been released to go home so he can die a free man. He has 3 months left to live from a terminal form of prostate cancer.



My opinion is that he should be serving the rest of his life in prison. Why should someone who's committed such a terrible crime against innocent people be allowed to die in the comforts of his own bed?

I know this sounds awfully mean of me, but if I had family members on that flight, I would be livid.
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Obama warned Libya not to give him a hero's welcome.

Despite the warning, at the military airport in Tripoli where al-Megrahi's plane touched down, thousands of youths were on hand to warmly greet him. He left the plane wearing a dark suit and a tie and accompanied by Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's son, Saif al-Islam Gadhafi. They immediately sped off in a convoy of all-white vehicles.

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But many in Libya view his homecoming as a moral victory for the African country and an end to a long-standing humiliation at the hands of the West. They say Libya was forced to surrender al-Megrahi to end years of crippling sanctions.





from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...terrorism/


they just poked obama with a screw-you stick. eek huh

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Reply #15 posted 08/20/09 5:18pm

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N by releasing him Scotland doesn't have to pay his medical bills.

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Reply #16 posted 08/20/09 8:44pm

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How is this fair? How is this the right thing to do? Where is the compassion shown for the 273 people he killed?

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Reply #17 posted 08/20/09 10:11pm

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YESWECAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I would want him to remain imprisoned but I appreciate the spirit of the Scottish government wanting to honor humanitarianism.


I'm not sure if I've ever agreed with Supa before biggrin
Well atleast the first part.

I don't know if a man that was part of blowing 270 people to bits
deserves any "humanitarianism"


Sure he does. If we can't show humanitarianism to the worst among us, who are we saving it for? What marks that line?

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Reply #18 posted 08/20/09 10:17pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I feel ya. I can't reconcile my feelings for justice (vengance) and for being that better person. There are equal parts of me that wants both.

I'm reconciled and totally unconflicted. He doesn't deserve to die in his bed with his loved ones around him. That's what he denied the victims on that plane, so fuck him. shrug

But you know everyone on that plane does?
And none of us will ever know how many, if any, of those people on that plane would've gone on to die in their bed. We don't that but for that bomb that the plane would've even reached its destination.

It could have gone down by an "act of God." Are they less deserving of dying in their beds with their loved ones around the but for being killed by an act of God, than by a terrorist?

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Reply #19 posted 08/20/09 10:22pm

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Vendetta1 said:

How is this fair? How is this the right thing to do? Where is the compassion shown for the 273 people he killed?


You can't show compassion for someone unless they show you compassion first?
What are you seeking to balance here?
One life cannot be exchanged for 273. He will only die once.

I'd give him the only thing I can. Forgiveness.

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Reply #20 posted 08/20/09 11:52pm

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Hi there, i just read an article in a (german) newspaper: it seems that there are clear doubts about the guilt of this man. Some say he was just a scapegoat and the CIA even manipulated some of the evidences...? The men wanted another 'appeals procedure' (is that the right word...?) which is now beeing stopped cause he got released.....
then another article pointed out the economic relations between Scotland and Lybia, well known for his oil reserves...
so, i guess it's not that easy as it seems

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Reply #21 posted 08/21/09 4:38am

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SUPRMAN said:

Vendetta1 said:

How is this fair? How is this the right thing to do? Where is the compassion shown for the 273 people he killed?


You can't show compassion for someone unless they show you compassion first?
What are you seeking to balance here?
One life cannot be exchanged for 273. He will only die once.

I'd give him the only thing I can. Forgiveness.
I can show compassion to anyone I deem worthy of it, whether it is shown to me first or not.

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Reply #22 posted 08/21/09 4:52am

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I dont like the welcome he has received in Libya-its sick. But what concerns me more is the response of Obama etc that they didnt want him released. I dont believe thsi for a minute. This man was handed over to be imprisoned simly to open trade between libya and the west. A single man in prison for this act is an absolute joke. Whether he is guilty or not he is at the very least a tolkenistic jesture to appease the rage of the lockerbie disaster.

Theere is no way the US is not behind this. There must be an agreement that the UK government take the rap for his release. This is an International incident and the UK Government could not make this decision on its own

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Reply #23 posted 08/21/09 12:47pm

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jcurley said:

I dont like the welcome he has received in Libya-its sick. But what concerns me more is the response of Obama etc that they didnt want him released. I dont believe thsi for a minute. This man was handed over to be imprisoned simly to open trade between libya and the west. A single man in prison for this act is an absolute joke. Whether he is guilty or not he is at the very least a tolkenistic jesture to appease the rage of the lockerbie disaster.

Theere is no way the US is not behind this. There must be an agreement that the UK government take the rap for his release. This is an International incident and the UK Government could not make this decision on its own


The U.S. is not behind this.
This is not an international incident.
The man was being held by a national government, not the ICC or The Hague.
The U.K is certainly capable of making decisions on its own.
It's not like they're campaigning to be the 51st state or something.

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Reply #24 posted 08/22/09 1:13am

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extremely dodgy conviction

Scotland has done the right thing but he should never have been in jail in the first place.

the people i applaud out of this whole sorry saga are the victims families who speak of their regret that their lost ones are still waiting for justice

interested to see next week which Anglo-US companies get dibs on Libyan Natural Gas and Oil contracts.

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Reply #25 posted 08/22/09 5:46am

JellyBean

Vendetta1 said:

How is this fair? How is this the right thing to do? Where is the compassion shown for the 273 people he killed?


I hear ya, Vendetta. But sometimes, you gotta just take the high road and do the right thing, which in this case was letting a dying man go.

Where the compassion for the 273 people killed? Well the families are getting compensation payments,most governments don't even do that. I think about the 1973 incident in which a Libyan airline was shot down by Israel, killing 108 people. Israel never had to pay a dime. Never admitted to the shooting and was never even called on the carpet for that incident. Or in 1988, when one of our ships, The Vinsennes, shot at and hit an Iranian airline with 292 civilian passengers on board, killing those 292 passengers....where was the compassion?

Scotland did the right thing by letting this man go.

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Reply #26 posted 08/22/09 9:07am

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JellyBean said:

Vendetta1 said:

How is this fair? How is this the right thing to do? Where is the compassion shown for the 273 people he killed?


I hear ya, Vendetta. But sometimes, you gotta just take the high road and do the right thing, which in this case was letting a dying man go.

Where the compassion for the 273 people killed? Well the families are getting compensation payments,most governments don't even do that. I think about the 1973 incident in which a Libyan airline was shot down by Israel, killing 108 people. Israel never had to pay a dime. Never admitted to the shooting and was never even called on the carpet for that incident. Or in 1988, when one of our ships, The Vinsennes, shot at and hit an Iranian airline with 292 civilian passengers on board, killing those 292 passengers....where was the compassion?

Scotland did the right thing by letting this man go.
I'll just agree to disagree.

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Reply #27 posted 08/22/09 9:28am

MrsMdiver

http://prince.org/msg/105/316897


Timing confuse

Anywho....


interesting to see what happened when he arrived back home.

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Reply #28 posted 08/22/09 9:35am

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MrsMdiver said:

http://prince.org/msg/105/316897


Timing confuse

Anywho....


interesting to see what happened when he arrived back home.

disbelief
Exactly!! I bet the families of the victims were even more furious.

We should just let every person in jail out when they are about to die. nod

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Reply #29 posted 08/22/09 9:42am

MrsMdiver

Vendetta1 said:

MrsMdiver said:

http://prince.org/msg/105/316897


Timing confuse

Anywho....


interesting to see what happened when he arrived back home.

disbelief
Exactly!! I bet the families of the victims were even more furious.

We should just let every person in jail out when they are about to die. nod


I know, now everyone that is serving life in prison will want out when/if they get a life threatening illness.
I am sure it was a political move (oil) possibly.
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