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Why does God create universes? You might need to read Laura Fair Rose or not, but I want to see what people's initial thoughts are. Thank you. | |
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I would like to know also.
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Why does man create gods? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan | |
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i'd like to know too | |
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mordang said: Why does man create gods?
That is an easier one I think, one I can kind of understand, I think its usually the answer to what we cannot understand or fear. A reason and a purpose to the difficulties of life. A reason for living, a beacon , but mostly something to comfort us. It is also a political tool, a way organize the masses, or likewise can be a divisive tool upon the masses. | |
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Everyone needs a hobby. | |
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Because God was always destroying them. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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Everything you look at was created twice, first in the mind, second into reality. | |
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It is weird that god would create roughly 100 billion to the power of 100 billion stars in the known universe, with even greater amounts of nothingness in between, for the sole purpose of focusing on 1 solar system, with his life creation on one planet, and it's one of the questions a lot of people seem to have trouble answering.
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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savoirfaire said: It is weird that god would create roughly 100 billion to the power of 100 billion stars in the known universe, with even greater amounts of nothingness in between, for the sole purpose of focusing on 1 solar system, with his life creation on one planet, and it's one of the questions a lot of people seem to have trouble answering.
I mean. if you want to bake a cookie, does your oven need to be the size of Russia? I have nothing useful to add to this thread for now. I just like your analogy.  We are stardust. We are golden.
Feb. 12th -28th: Two weeks of corporate and nationalistic dick-stroking in the guise of a sporting event. I can not wait. | |
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And if you royally screwed up the first batch of cookies (experiment), wouldn't you keep trying until you got it right? ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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mordang said: Why does man create gods?
The more REAL question. Because humans are not very good at under or over standing certain situations so they create fantasies 2 explain those situations away. The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
The TRUTH. | |
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You're all going to Hell!
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mcmeekle said: You're all going to Hell!
 2 late.....humans are already there.(here) The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
The TRUTH. | |
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mcmeekle said: You're all going to Hell!
Just as long as they have a tall glass of lemonade, I should be ok.  “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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"When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers... what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him?" (Psalm 8:3-4).
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SoulSplash said: "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers... what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him?" (Psalm 8:3-4).
"We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10). hmmm..... *strokes chin*.... that answered nothing for me. "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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savoirfaire said: SoulSplash said: "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers... what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him?" (Psalm 8:3-4).
"We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10). hmmm..... *strokes chin*.... that answered nothing for me. Me neither, but it doesn't mean I don't like the poetry. I mean, I'm a Prince fan and that guy isn't a vivid example of an atheist either. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan | |
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savoirfaire said: SoulSplash said: "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers... what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him?" (Psalm 8:3-4).
"We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do" (Ephesians 2:10). hmmm..... *strokes chin*.... that answered nothing for me. And yet you choose to follow a religion that has no answers. When Dawkins was pressed by Ben Stein to answer how it all began, Dawkins said he didn't know and that perhaps we were placed here by aliens. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm 53:1). | |
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For me, Gods answers will be way over my head I'm sure,
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SoulSplash said: savoirfaire said: hmmm..... *strokes chin*.... that answered nothing for me. And yet you choose to follow a religion that has no answers. When Dawkins was pressed by Ben Stein to answer how it all began, Dawkins said he didn't know and that perhaps we were placed here by aliens. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm 53:1). The lack of knowledge does not proof the existence of a god, it just proofs the lack of knowledge. Dawkins answer is speculative, but scientificly acceptable as a possible hypothesis. That ofcourse has to be proven...that is why he said "perhaps" and that is not religion, religions don't say "perhaps". Did you know that on the same principal he cannot scientifically exclude the existance of a god. He finds it very, very unlikely...but for the form of science he cannot exclude it fully, it is not proven. How can you proof the non-existance of something? That is in essence the difference between religion and science. That you want call it "a religion that has no answers" is an example that you have yet to understand what the difference is between an atheist and a believer. Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of it. Click the link below btw to give some insight how the quote by Dawkins came into life. It is a good example of how some religious folk are willing to twist, ly and cheat in defense of their god or religion. http://richarddawkins.net...rd-Dawkins [Edited 8/15/09 6:03am] "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan | |
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iGene said: Everything you look at was created twice, first in the mind, second into reality.
The mind is a reality too. We humans only know a fraction of reality and use only a fraction of our brain, neglecting the power of our minds. With our intelligence we can believe, or question the existence of God. But when one is asked what they really know, humans, even the most knowledgable ones, really know very little about the what, when, where, why and how. - [Edited 8/15/09 5:57am] | |
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mordang said: The lack of knowledge does not proof the existence of a god, it just proofs the lack of knowledge.
It doesn't prove there isn't a god either. Still, that's what he and many other 'scientists' are trying to say. Dawkins answer is speculative, but scientificly acceptable as a possible hypothesis. That ofcourse has to be proven...that is why he said "perhaps" and that is not religion, religions don't say "perhaps".
As long as the existence of aliens is not proven, scientifically that's not anything more worth than "perhabs there is a God" to explain why we are here. Perhabs scientists should consider the possibility of the existence of aliens and that they are/were seen as gods, or better in touch with god, or the godly forces of the universe, than we are. Did you know that on the same principal he cannot scientifically exclude the existance of a god. He finds it very, very unlikely...
Which is therefore also nothing else than his subjective opinion, based on no substantial scientific evidence. Scientifically just as worthless as saying "I find it very likely". - [Edited 8/15/09 6:06am] | |
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SoulSplash said: savoirfaire said: hmmm..... *strokes chin*.... that answered nothing for me. And yet you choose to follow a religion that has no answers. When Dawkins was pressed by Ben Stein to answer how it all began, Dawkins said he didn't know and that perhaps we were placed here by aliens. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm 53:1). That is ridiculous... Atheism is NOT a religion. It is the lack of one. I'm not a person who believes in no God, I don't believe in God. Even if I am wrong about my lack of belief, that still wouldn't make my LACK of belief a religion. Calling A LACK of belief in God a religion might as well be like calling a LACK of belief in Zeus a religion. IF that's the case, then all your refusals of every god that ever existed except one would be a religion. You would have to follow a helluva a lot of religions. So don't try and use terminology like that to pretend that your random and irrelevant to the topic bible quotes deserve equal consideration to what I said. Now, you want to talk about that bullshit documentary No Intelligence Allowed, you can find Dawkins response to his interview, and every other person's response as well online. They were callously edited. But, I can tell you for certain, like mordang says, Dawkins ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that he doesn't know how it all began DOES NOT mean he has to believe in god. GOD IS INVENTED, throughout all history, to EXPLAIN what we DO NOT KNOW. That's why all his glory is allegedly the most demonstrable when we are all dead, or before any of us lived. I would imagine dawkins' answer went something like this. "I don't know how we all got here. Maybe aliens sent us here. Who knows? All I know, is that the explanations offered by the bible fly in the face of the evidence we have available". [Edited 8/15/09 16:47pm] "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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Tremolina said: mordang said: The lack of knowledge does not proof the existence of a god, it just proofs the lack of knowledge.
It doesn't prove there isn't a god either. Still, that's what he and many other 'scientists' are trying to say. Perhabs scientists should consider the possibility of the existence of aliens and that they are/were seen as gods, or better in touch with god, or the godly forces of the universe, than we are. Did you know that on the same principal he cannot scientifically exclude the existance of a god. He finds it very, very unlikely...
Which is therefore also nothing else than his subjective opinion, based on no substantial scientific evidence. Scientifically just as worthless as saying "I find it very likely". - [Edited 8/15/09 6:06am] Nope. His famous flying spaghetti monster analogy sums this argument perfectly. Just because you can't definitively say there is or isn't a god with 100% certainty. That doesn't make the two possibilities equal. There is no evidence that PROVES the existence of God OR the flying spaghetti monster. However, there is a distinct lack of evidence for both beings, and therefore there is no reason to believe in them. We can't dismiss them outright, but we can say no evidence exists to support either being, even though no evidence exists to prove either DOESN'T exist. That doesn't put either side of the argument on equal ground. It's not subjective, and the lack of substantial evidence that you speak of is exactly WHY the argument is valid. "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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When i read the threads title i had 2 think of a story (by arthur c. clarke, as far as i know) - i hope i get it right:
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What is the quality of mind required to comprehend creation? The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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aroundtheworld said: When i read the threads title i had 2 think of a story (by arthur c. clarke, as far as i know) - i hope i get it right:
A man dies, goes 2 heaven and meets God. To his suprise he sees God with a bag filled with sand. From times 2 times God takes some sand out of the bag and disperses it out of heaven. The man asks: what are you doing? and God answers: i'm creating universes...so the man watches God throwing sand around and after a while he asks: Where did you get the bag from? and God lookes at him, puzzled  I HAVE NO IDEA!
sorry 4 my bad englishReminds me of another story someone told me while we were talking about how we, and everything in the universe is made up the sand and soil underneath us. A man goes up to god and tells him he can create all the thigs around us too, "Show me" god replies,..so the man proceeds to shovel up some sand when god interupts him wagging his finger. "No No No...make your own sand!" [Edited 8/16/09 11:52am] | |
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savoirfaire said: Tremolina said: Which is therefore also nothing else than his subjective opinion, based on no substantial scientific evidence. Scientifically just as worthless as saying "I find it very likely". - [Edited 8/15/09 6:06am] Nope. His famous flying spaghetti monster analogy sums this argument perfectly. Just because you can't definitively say there is or isn't a god with 100% certainty. That doesn't make the two possibilities equal. There is no evidence that PROVES the existence of God OR the flying spaghetti monster. However, there is a distinct lack of evidence for both beings, and therefore there is no reason to believe in them. We can't dismiss them outright, but we can say no evidence exists to support either being, even though no evidence exists to prove either DOESN'T exist. That doesn't put either side of the argument on equal ground. It's not subjective, and the lack of substantial evidence that you speak of is exactly WHY the argument is valid. Way to 'philosophy' yourself out of this shit. Point is: neither he, nor you, nor I have any evidence for our beliefs. he believes there is nog god. Fine, that's his belief. others beleive there is. fine thats theirs. Nobody can prove any of what they believe. thats fine too. ut whats not fine is to insult others by comparing their beliefs to flying spaghetti monsters. That just goes to show how arrogant and irritating some non beleivers are, like some beleivers can be, obnoxious and full of insulting nonsense | |
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Tremolina said: savoirfaire said: Nope. His famous flying spaghetti monster analogy sums this argument perfectly. Just because you can't definitively say there is or isn't a god with 100% certainty. That doesn't make the two possibilities equal. There is no evidence that PROVES the existence of God OR the flying spaghetti monster. However, there is a distinct lack of evidence for both beings, and therefore there is no reason to believe in them. We can't dismiss them outright, but we can say no evidence exists to support either being, even though no evidence exists to prove either DOESN'T exist. That doesn't put either side of the argument on equal ground. It's not subjective, and the lack of substantial evidence that you speak of is exactly WHY the argument is valid. Way to 'philosophy' yourself out of this shit. Point is: neither he, nor you, nor I have any evidence for our beliefs. he believes there is nog god. Fine, that's his belief. others beleive there is. fine thats theirs. Nobody can prove any of what they believe. thats fine too. ut whats not fine is to insult others by comparing their beliefs to flying spaghetti monsters. That just goes to show how arrogant and irritating some non beleivers are, like some beleivers can be, obnoxious and full of insulting nonsense Why have beliefs in the first place? The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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I wonder where the "perfect" planet with perfect, obedient beings is?
