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SUPRMAN

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Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real


By Chip Somodevilla, Getty Images


By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser
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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

On Oct. 31, Fukino originally tried to put an end to the belief among so-called "birthers" that Obama was not born in the United States and thus was ineligible to run for the office of president.

Despite Fukino's statement today, the issue continued to resonate from Capitol Hill to the national airwaves to the blogosphere.

CNN's Lou Dobbs reported that Hawaii officials had destroyed Obama's original 1961 birth certificate without citing a source.

A congressional resolution introduced by Hawaii Rep. Neil Abercrombie commemorating the 50th anniversary of Island statehood was postponed today apparently because of a "whereas" clause noting Obama's Hawaii birthplace.

The line "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;" has been construed by some who believe Obama is not a U.S.-born citizen as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama's U.S. Citizenship," Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert said.

So-called "birthers" denounce the notion that Obama was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, despite court rulings and statements by Fukino and Hawaii's Republican governor, Linda Lingle.

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Before Bachman's objection, Abercrombie spokesman Helfert had said some birthers believe the resolution "means the House of Representatives is on the record that Hawaii is the birthplace of the president of the United States."

http://www.usatoday.com/n...waii_N.htm


Can we put these birthers to bed already?
The more attention they get, the closer I bet they feel they are to persuading someone to take them seriously.

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Reply #1 posted 07/27/09 9:10pm

Anxiety

michelle bachman needs to shut her crazyhole while there are still a few people left in this country who have yet to learn she's koo koo for cocoa puffs. disbelief

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Reply #2 posted 07/28/09 4:57am

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SUPRMAN said:

Can we put these birthers to bed already?
The more attention they get, the closer I bet they feel they are to persuading someone to take themseriously.


why you posting this then?

I would expect the US media and the many gullible people that envy Obama or hate him just because he is aliberal, popular and black, would have to get a fucking brain and stop hating. There is nothing more stupid than continuing this shit in times of crisis.

But I guess while that flows when Bush was waging an illegal war and wrecking the country it doesn't flow when Obama tries to fix it.

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Reply #3 posted 07/28/09 6:16am

2elijah

Tremolina said:

SUPRMAN said:

Can we put these birthers to bed already?
The more attention they get, the closer I bet they feel they are to persuading someone to take themseriously.


why you posting this then?

I would expect the US media and the many gullible people that envy Obama or hate him just because he is aliberal, popular and black, would have to get a fucking brain and stop hating. There is nothing more stupid than continuing this shit in times of crisis.

But I guess while that flows when Bush was waging an illegal war and wrecking the country it doesn't flow when Obama tries to fix it
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Reply #4 posted 07/28/09 6:42am

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"Everybody knows the world is full of stupid people." - The Refreshments, "Banditos"

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Reply #5 posted 07/28/09 6:46am

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finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)

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Reply #6 posted 07/28/09 6:59am

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Was this really an issue to begin with? confuse

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Reply #7 posted 07/28/09 7:04am

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peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)



pffft, no. The stupid won't end. The stupid will continue to ratchet up as long as Obama is President.

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NoVideo said:

peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)



pffft, no. The stupid won't end. The stupid will continue to ratchet up as long as Obama is President.

disbelief

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Reply #9 posted 07/28/09 7:27am

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NoVideo said:

peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)



pffft, no. The stupid won't end. The stupid will continue to ratchet up as long as Obama is President.

As long as he's everythingunderthefrigginsun, and not the first black President of the United States born in Hawaii, this would continue.

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Reply #10 posted 07/28/09 7:40am

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SoulAlive said:

Was this really an issue to begin with? confuse


To those of us with a brain, nope. But to the ones that will hate president Obama no matter what, yeah.

And on behave of most Minnesotans, I would like to apologize for Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN). Every family has that crazy aunt our uncle, Michele just happens to be ours. Again, sorry for her actions.
[Edited 7/28/09 7:51am]

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Reply #11 posted 07/28/09 8:10am

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Taking place right now at a Nutter's...uh...Birther's Meeting near you:


Dumb ass #1: Shit!! This birth certificate thing really isn't working as we'd hoped!

Lou Dobbs: But I'm doing all I can.

Dumb ass #1: We know Lou. You and the FauxNews folks are doing a fine job. Thanks for the free advertising! thumbs up!

Dumb ass #2: We're going to have pull something else out of our asses. Let's put our heads together!

Dumb ass #3: I know! We can say he's a terrorist!

Crazy Lady From The McCain Rally: I tried that!

Michelle Bachmann: We should keep hammering him on the Education Camps!

Dumb ass #4: Yeah, that's really working. rolleyes

Michelle Bachmann: You want a piece of me? bringiton

Dumb ass #4: ill

ENTER Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship

Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh: It is my wish that this President fails! It matters not to me that if he fails so does the country! I'm rich, bitch! You are not doing enough to make that happen! You must hit him with everything we've got. No accusation is too insane and no sound byte is too small! You have your orders, now GOOOOO!!!

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship


giggle

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[Edited 7/28/09 8:14am]

Of course, I'm a Liberal! I'm an American, damn it!

This country was founded on the premise of Liberty and Justice for ALL...remember?


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Reply #12 posted 07/28/09 8:12am

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In the meantime, George W. Bush's national guard records are still locked away ...

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Reply #13 posted 07/28/09 8:47am

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Waiting for a response from that one orger who kept insisting with his threads that Obama's birth certificate was not real.

:crickets chirping:
[Edited 7/28/09 8:48am]

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Reply #14 posted 07/28/09 9:20am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Taking place right now at a Nutter's...uh...Birther's Meeting near you:


Dumb ass #1: Shit!! This birth certificate thing really isn't working as we'd hoped!

Lou Dobbs: But I'm doing all I can.

Dumb ass #1: We know Lou. You and the FauxNews folks are doing a fine job. Thanks for the free advertising! thumbs up!

Dumb ass #2: We're going to have pull something else out of our asses. Let's put our heads together!

Dumb ass #3: I know! We can say he's a terrorist!

Crazy Lady From The McCain Rally: I tried that!

Michelle Bachmann: We should keep hammering him on the Education Camps!

Dumb ass #4: Yeah, that's really working. rolleyes

Michelle Bachmann: You want a piece of me? bringiton

Dumb ass #4: ill

ENTER Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship

Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh: It is my wish that this President fails! It matters not to me that if he fails so does the country! I'm rich, bitch! You are not doing enough to make that happen! You must hit him with everything we've got. No accusation is too insane and no sound byte is too small! You have your orders, now GOOOOO!!!

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship


giggle

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[Edited 7/28/09 8:14am]

This sounds so true.....they are just pulling crap from their ass...

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Reply #15 posted 07/28/09 10:16am

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MrSoulpower said:

In the meantime, George W. Bush's national guard records are still locked away ...


Yep and he stole 2000 election from Gore too.
Not much difference between Bush/Obama, both are puppets put in
thier place of power by a global elite who call the shots.

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Reply #16 posted 07/28/09 11:41am

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No, no, I will never believe it! A black can never be President, neverrrrr..lol

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Reply #17 posted 07/28/09 11:55am

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Again, the after-birthers have no answer to the fact that not one but TWO birth announcements were placed in Hawaii newspapers concerning Obama's birth.

LMFAO, their tinfoil hats must be spinning at a high rate of speed right now.

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Reply #18 posted 07/28/09 11:55am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Taking place right now at a Nutter's...uh...Birther's Meeting near you:


Dumb ass #1: Shit!! This birth certificate thing really isn't working as we'd hoped!

Lou Dobbs: But I'm doing all I can.

Dumb ass #1: We know Lou. You and the FauxNews folks are doing a fine job. Thanks for the free advertising! thumbs up!

Dumb ass #2: We're going to have pull something else out of our asses. Let's put our heads together!

Dumb ass #3: I know! We can say he's a terrorist!

Crazy Lady From The McCain Rally: I tried that!

Michelle Bachmann: We should keep hammering him on the Education Camps!

Dumb ass #4: Yeah, that's really working. rolleyes

Michelle Bachmann: You want a piece of me? bringiton

Dumb ass #4: ill

ENTER Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship

Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh: It is my wish that this President fails! It matters not to me that if he fails so does the country! I'm rich, bitch! You are not doing enough to make that happen! You must hit him with everything we've got. No accusation is too insane and no sound byte is too small! You have your orders, now GOOOOO!!!

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship


giggle

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[Edited 7/28/09 8:14am]


lol Just to add:

Dumb Ass Rush: Hey, let's use the Gates/Crowley incident against him. Oh wait though..doh! Crowley lied on the police report so that won't work, we can't throw that in Obama's face, and at the same time, there's a documented lie on the police report, while we try to make Crowley look like a saint..duh....dang!!!...must think of something quick!!...
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Reply #19 posted 07/28/09 11:57am

RodeoSchro

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Taking place right now at a Nutter's...uh...Birther's Meeting near you:


Dumb ass #1: Shit!! This birth certificate thing really isn't working as we'd hoped!

Lou Dobbs: But I'm doing all I can.

Dumb ass #1: We know Lou. You and the FauxNews folks are doing a fine job. Thanks for the free advertising! thumbs up!

Dumb ass #2: We're going to have pull something else out of our asses. Let's put our heads together!

Dumb ass #3: I know! We can say he's a terrorist!

Crazy Lady From The McCain Rally: I tried that!

Michelle Bachmann: We should keep hammering him on the Education Camps!

Dumb ass #4: Yeah, that's really working. rolleyes

Michelle Bachmann: You want a piece of me? bringiton

Dumb ass #4: ill

ENTER Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship

Boss Hogg...uh...Rush Limbaugh: It is my wish that this President fails! It matters not to me that if he fails so does the country! I'm rich, bitch! You are not doing enough to make that happen! You must hit him with everything we've got. No accusation is too insane and no sound byte is too small! You have your orders, now GOOOOO!!!

Dumb asses: RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! RUSH! worship


giggle

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[Edited 7/28/09 8:14am]


falloff

Brilliant!

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Reply #20 posted 07/28/09 12:22pm

2elijah

NoVideo said:

peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)



pffft, no. The stupid won't end. The stupid will continue to ratchet up as long as Obama is President.


True, and to think Lou Dobbs fell for that BS. He probably feels like an ass right now. lol
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Reply #21 posted 07/28/09 12:38pm

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"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

This is a much more expanded statement made by Fukino then last Oct. as she stated a record was on file, as she can legally only say.

Now she makes the statement that Zero is born in Hawaii, and is a natural-born citizen? eek

She made this declaration on her own, without an Obama spokesperson/representative, and she just broke the law:

HI Statute 338 in the revised statutes ----
"The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

Looks like the doors have just possibly opened for discovery...oops! lol

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Reply #22 posted 07/28/09 12:47pm

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2elijah said:

NoVideo said:




pffft, no. The stupid won't end. The stupid will continue to ratchet up as long as Obama is President.


True, and to think Lou Dobbs fell for that BS. He probably feels like an ass right now. lol
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Lou Dobbs actually was asking a legit fact based question. Obambi still hasn't produced a long form birth certificate, or certificate of live birth, proving birth on U.S. soil.

Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution clearly states that the President must be a natural born citizen -- born on U.S. soil.

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SilverlakePhil said:

Waiting for a response from that one orger who kept insisting with his threads that Obama's birth certificate was not real.

:crickets chirping:
[Edited 7/28/09 8:48am]


SilverlakePhil said:

Waiting for a response from that one orger who kept insisting with his threads that Obama's birth certificate was not real.

:crickets chirping:
[Edited 7/28/09 8:48am]



Hi... well at least I've one fan on here. coffee wink

It's important to remember what I posted..what was presented. That way you'll have a historical account of why the president was removed from office.

The birth issue has exploded, but understand, investigation has been going on since fall 08. One would think that place of birth other than stateside would be outrageous, improbable...that's why I always believed like many something was embarrassing on the certificate. That time has passed. I don't say this lightly -- it's clear now from the actions, evidence, he wasn't born in Hawaii.

I never stated that the Zero's birth certificate wasn't real (I stated the certification of live birth, short form, is a fraud/forgery). He has a long form birth certificate listing hospital name, doctors signatures created in 1961, it is (sitting in a vault) over at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu.

All Zero has to do is fill out the request form http://i477.photobucket.c...orDHHL.jpg and release it.

Oh but wait kids! There was THE B.S. claim by CNN clowns that there are no hard copies left and the archives went electronic as of 2001, so Barry can't get provide a long form right? lol

Yet Hawaii law clearly states that's impossible


http://www.capitol.hawaii...8-0016.htm

§338-16 (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.

§338-21 (b) The evidence upon which the new original certificate is made, and the superseded original certificate shall be sealed and filed and may be opened only upon order of a court of record.

And of course the Dept of Hawaiian Home Lands up to June 2009 refused to honor a certification of live birth, short form.. only a hard copy long form would be proof:

http://i477.photobucket.c...uirest.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i477.photobucket.c...uirest.jpg

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

NOW.....

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO PRESENT THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Because of this Hawaiian Statute that existed (1940's-1972) at the time Obama was born:


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.


That is the LOOPHOLE. This statute allowed Foreign Born children of Hawaiian Residents to obtain Hawaiian Birth Certificates, it allows one to get Hawaiian Certification of Live birth based on a statement of one relative only, without any corroborating evidence.

If this was any other state, it wouldn't be an issue..simply present the short form certification and it would represent thelong form...Remember, Hawaii is on the Pacific Rim and serves as a way station, historically..large military presence, lots of travelers and babies being born, that's why the statutes were different.

So what does line 16 (Birthplace {island state, or foreign country}) say on Obama's certificate of live birth?


http://i140.photobucket.c...h-Cert.jpg:

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peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)

As long as Hannity and Limbaug remain on air, this any all Obama bashing will never end.

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jacobpb said:

SilverlakePhil said:

Waiting for a response from that one orger who kept insisting with his threads that Obama's birth certificate was not real.

:crickets chirping:
[Edited 7/28/09 8:48am]


SilverlakePhil said:

Waiting for a response from that one orger who kept insisting with his threads that Obama's birth certificate was not real.

:crickets chirping:
[Edited 7/28/09 8:48am]



Hi... well at least I've one fan on here. coffee wink

It's important to remember what I posted..what was presented. That way you'll have a historical account of why the president was removed from office.

The birth issue has exploded, but understand, investigation has been going on since fall 08. One would think that place of birth other than stateside would be outrageous, improbable...that's why I always believed like many something was embarrassing on the certificate. That time has passed. I don't say this lightly -- it's clear now from the actions, evidence, he wasn't born in Hawaii.

I never stated that the Zero's birth certificate wasn't real (I stated the certification of live birth, short form, is a fraud/forgery). He has a long form birth certificate listing hospital name, doctors signatures created in 1961, it is (sitting in a vault) over at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu.

All Zero has to do is fill out the request form http://i477.photobucket.c...orDHHL.jpg and release it.

Oh but wait kids! There was THE B.S. claim by CNN clowns that there are no hard copies left and the archives went electronic as of 2001, so Barry can't get provide a long form right? lol

Yet Hawaii law clearly states that's impossible


http://www.capitol.hawaii...8-0016.htm

§338-16 (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.

§338-21 (b) The evidence upon which the new original certificate is made, and the superseded original certificate shall be sealed and filed and may be opened only upon order of a court of record.

And of course the Dept of Hawaiian Home Lands up to June 2009 refused to honor a certification of live birth, short form.. only a hard copy long form would be proof:

http://i477.photobucket.c...uirest.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i477.photobucket.c...uirest.jpg

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

NOW.....

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO PRESENT THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Because of this Hawaiian Statute that existed (1940's-1972) at the time Obama was born:


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.


That is the LOOPHOLE. This statute allowed Foreign Born children of Hawaiian Residents to obtain Hawaiian Birth Certificates, it allows one to get Hawaiian Certification of Live birth based on a statement of one relative only, without any corroborating evidence.

If this was any other state, it wouldn't be an issue..simply present the short form certification and it would represent thelong form...Remember, Hawaii is on the Pacific Rim and serves as a way station, historically..large military presence, lots of travelers and babies being born, that's why the statutes were different.

So what does line 16 (Birthplace {island state, or foreign country}) say on Obama's certificate of live birth?


http://i140.photobucket.c...h-Cert.jpg:



the obamanation on these boards will not listen to any of what you are stating.
they dismiss it as foolish talk and conspiracy
even though clear FACTS have been presented.
Obamas lawyers have spent much money dismissing the allegations
when all they gotta do is show the long form birth certificate.
how hard could that be?

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Reply #26 posted 07/28/09 1:49pm

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totaldiva said:

peacenlovealways said:

finally...maybe this will shut people up....(those that keep asking for his birth certificate)

As long as Hannity and Limbaug remain on air, this any all Obama bashing will never end.


It's bashing? asking the President to prove his eligibility by providing a long form birth certificate?bored2

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Reply #27 posted 07/28/09 2:11pm

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jacobpb said:

totaldiva said:


As long as Hannity and Limbaug remain on air, this any all Obama bashing will never end.


It's bashing? asking the President to prove his eligibility by providing a long form birth certificate?bored2

They know that man has a valid birth certificate and yes, Hannity and Limbaug have both dedicated their shows to Obama bashing. I would respect them more if they just don the white hoods and keep it real.

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Reply #28 posted 07/28/09 2:12pm

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thepope2the9s said:



the obamanation on these boards will not listen to any of what you are stating.
they dismiss it as foolish talk and conspiracy
even though clear FACTS have been presented.
Obamas lawyers have spent much money dismissing the allegations
when all they gotta do is show the long form birth certificate.
how hard could that be?


Well, I can empathize the annoyance and bewilderment for something that should be so blatantly obvious. When the dust settles..this country won't be the same. It will be a laughing stock around the world. The mainstream media will be discredited and destroyed. Our government (both parties) will be found in complete corruption and dereliction to the Constitution.

I know a lot of Obama supporters are scratching their heads, wondering why all this "birther" stuff/ birth certificate issue right now?

Why the statement by Hawaii Dept of Health? why did White House spokesman Gibbs talk about this Monday at the press conference?

It's for what's coming.

What people need to understand, though the mainstream media is not talking about it..

We are now already in a Constitutional crisis. The dam broke just 2 weeks ago when in Florida a military reservist Major Cook challenged the Commander in Chief, the Dept of Defense, and refused orders to go to Afghanistan, asking the President to prove his eligibility. A soldier's allegiance is to the Constitution. Well, Zero blinked. Orders revoked, you're dismissed.

Uhm..Excuse Me.. WHAT?????!!!!!?????!!!!!

Do people understand the consquences of this for the military rank and file? The magnitude of what just happened?

It will be apparent in the coming weeks.

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This country has been a laughing stock around the world since the 2000 election.

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