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Blacks need a TV media OUTLET ASAP...... I watched a few hours of the Mj coverage last night and one thing was painfully obvious. Black Americans need a National Television presence ASAP. The Black perspective on every major issue is damn near ignored. Last night's discussion on Mj was just a blaring example.
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Graycap23 said: I watched a few hours of the Mj coverage last night and one thing was painfully obvious. Black Americans need a National Television presence ASAP. The Black perspective on every major issue is damn near ignored. Last night's discussion on Mj was just a blaring example.
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Is the black persepctive on death different to the white perspective on death in America? | |
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resolve said: Is the black persepctive on death different to the white perspective on death in America?
Okay black media isn't or wouldn't be concentrating on criminal allegations that were proven to be false or that he was aquitted of in the court of law! If you turn on any black radio station no one is talking about that shit. No we are celebrating the life of a remarkable entertainer and music icon. One who will be missed and whose musical and entertaining gifts we appreciated to the fullest. Now turn on white media from CNN to FOX and they give you the good and then they have to tell you that he is broke and that he was accused of being a pedophile. which I think would be releavent except he was a aquitted and I can't see anyone owning the beetle's catalog as broke. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: resolve said: Is the black persepctive on death different to the white perspective on death in America?
Okay black media isn't or wouldn't be concentrating on criminal allegations that were proven to be false or that he was aquitted of in the court of law! If you turn on any black radio station no one is talking about that shit. No we are celebrating the life of a remarkable entertainer and music icon. One who will be missed and whose musical and entertaining gifts we appreciated to the fullest. Now turn on white media from CNN to FOX and they give you the good and then they have to tell you that he is broke and that he was accused of being a pedophile. which I think would be releavent except he was a aquitted and I can't see anyone owning the beetle's catalog as broke. Of course its relevant. Its part of his life story, like it or not. That would be like talking about the life Van gogh and not mentioning the whole ear, shot himself thing. I fail to see why black people should want bias, one-sided reporting if that is your criteria. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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some of these white commentators did not seem to be able to relate or
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Honestly.....the lack a a Black perspective really ticked me off last night. The angles of the media last night was just way off....WAY OFF from what Black folks were discussing about Mj.
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thepope2the9s said: some of these white commentators did not seem to be able to relate or
understand the impact of the MJ death. I had to keep flippin looking for someone w/real perspective but couldnt find it. Olberman was horrible and Greta on Fox was focusing on his molestation charges and eccentricities.... BET had 106/Park going and were just playing videos and reading tweets.... most of the time in white culture you give up following music for the most part when you have a child. t is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Graycap23 said: Honestly.....the lack a a Black perspective really ticked me off last night. The angles of the media last night was just way off....WAY OFF from what Black folks were discussing about Mj.
W A Y O F F So what were black folks talking about? The stuff I saw on NBC was basically just a retrospective of his life and did include the perspectives of a few black folks. www.adamjames.net -official website
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Graycap23 said: Honestly.....the lack a a Black perspective really ticked me off last night. The angles of the media last night was just way off....WAY OFF from what Black folks were discussing about Mj.
W A Y O F F But that also has a lot to do with him crossing over - and REALLY wanting to crossover; and then his shunning his Black features with plastic surgery/bleaching. MJ's tremendous want to shed his Black features made him more accessible to non-Blacks, that was HIS doing. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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razor said: chiltonmusic said: Okay black media isn't or wouldn't be concentrating on criminal allegations that were proven to be false or that he was aquitted of in the court of law! If you turn on any black radio station no one is talking about that shit. No we are celebrating the life of a remarkable entertainer and music icon. One who will be missed and whose musical and entertaining gifts we appreciated to the fullest. Now turn on white media from CNN to FOX and they give you the good and then they have to tell you that he is broke and that he was accused of being a pedophile. which I think would be releavent except he was a aquitted and I can't see anyone owning the beetle's catalog as broke. Of course its relevant. Its part of his life story, like it or not. That would be like talking about the life Van gogh and not mentioning the whole ear, shot himself thing. I fail to see why black people should want bias, one-sided reporting if that is your criteria. Excellent point razor! I do agree with you. I don't know if MJ was a child molester and we will never know for sure, but this was a huge part of his life and I don't see how it can be ignored. Having said that, I do think that everyone should be remembering him in a positive light at this time and not dwelling on the weird or gossipy types of things that are currently happening. | |
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Honestly.....the lack a a Black perspective really ticked me off last night. The angles of the media last night was just way off....WAY OFF from what Black folks were discussing about Mj.
W A Y O F F But that also has a lot to do with him crossing over - and REALLY wanting to crossover; and then his shunning his Black features with plastic surgery/bleaching. MJ's tremendous want to shed his Black features made him more accessible to non-Blacks, that was HIS doing. True. The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
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ehuffnsd said: thepope2the9s said: some of these white commentators did not seem to be able to relate or
understand the impact of the MJ death. I had to keep flippin looking for someone w/real perspective but couldnt find it. Olberman was horrible and Greta on Fox was focusing on his molestation charges and eccentricities.... BET had 106/Park going and were just playing videos and reading tweets.... most of the time in white culture you give up following music for the most part when you have a child. I didnt know that. Yesterday I was schooling my 7 year old son on MJ and he asked me , who is better him or Prince? Yeah...you know I told him Prince was! I did say MJ was a better singer, but hey, P is king in my casa. "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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razor said: chiltonmusic said: Okay black media isn't or wouldn't be concentrating on criminal allegations that were proven to be false or that he was aquitted of in the court of law! If you turn on any black radio station no one is talking about that shit. No we are celebrating the life of a remarkable entertainer and music icon. One who will be missed and whose musical and entertaining gifts we appreciated to the fullest. Now turn on white media from CNN to FOX and they give you the good and then they have to tell you that he is broke and that he was accused of being a pedophile. which I think would be releavent except he was a aquitted and I can't see anyone owning the beetle's catalog as broke. Of course its relevant. Its part of his life story, like it or not. That would be like talking about the life Van gogh and not mentioning the whole ear, shot himself thing. I fail to see why black people should want bias, one-sided reporting if that is your criteria. But here is where I disagree. For starters he was never found guilty of being a pedophile so that should have stopped after the court case. Bringing it up just reminds me of what I think killed him in the first place. So its not even reported from the view of he was the victor but rather they are still questioning and that pisses me off. That is why we need a black media outlet to tell our story and not the white media's. Because to the best of my knowledge the only bad thing they say about Elvis is that he was fat and loved fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: razor said: Of course its relevant. Its part of his life story, like it or not. That would be like talking about the life Van gogh and not mentioning the whole ear, shot himself thing. I fail to see why black people should want bias, one-sided reporting if that is your criteria. But here is where I disagree. For starters he was never found guilty of being a pedophile so that should have stopped after the court case. Bringing it up just reminds me of what I think killed him in the first place. So its not even reported from the view of he was the victor but rather they are still questioning and that pisses me off. That is why we need a black media outlet to tell our story and not the white media's. Because to the best of my knowledge the only bad thing they say about Elvis is that he was fat and loved fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Maybe we should all petition BET to have a nightly news a show like CBS and the other major networks. If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one. | |
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razor said: chiltonmusic said: Okay black media isn't or wouldn't be concentrating on criminal allegations that were proven to be false or that he was aquitted of in the court of law! If you turn on any black radio station no one is talking about that shit. No we are celebrating the life of a remarkable entertainer and music icon. One who will be missed and whose musical and entertaining gifts we appreciated to the fullest. Now turn on white media from CNN to FOX and they give you the good and then they have to tell you that he is broke and that he was accused of being a pedophile. which I think would be releavent except he was a aquitted and I can't see anyone owning the beetle's catalog as broke. Of course its relevant. Its part of his life story, like it or not. That would be like talking about the life Van gogh and not mentioning the whole ear, shot himself thing. I fail to see why black people should want bias, one-sided reporting if that is your criteria. U are missing the point. The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
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thepope2the9s said: some of these white commentators did not seem to be able to relate or
understand the impact of the MJ death. I had to keep flippin looking for someone w/real perspective but couldnt find it. Olberman was horrible and Greta on Fox was focusing on his molestation charges and eccentricities.... BET had 106/Park going and were just playing videos and reading tweets.... I have to say I felt the same way, from CNN - FOX, no respect. They're using this air time to get as much advertisers to buy air time and hike up ratings, but of course, they seem to be focusing "more" on the molestation accusations. For goodness sakes, the man isn't 6 feet underground yet and they're already trashing him. I wanted to send CNN an email and tell them to at least show some respect, it's too early in his death to be heartless towards him and his family. Just sickening. I'm listening to some radio stations that at least have the decency to not mention that. Honestly, I knew when I heard of his death, that the media (tv/cable) were going to focus on the negative stuff that happened in his life. There's plenty of time for the media to spend on the negative stories, for now, I think the least they could do is show some respect and focus more on his contributions to the music industry which is over a 40 year history. [Edited 6/26/09 12:16pm] Education, the greatest weapon
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Graycap23 said: Honestly.....the lack a a Black perspective really ticked me off last night. The angles of the media last night was just way off....WAY OFF from what Black folks were discussing about Mj.
W A Y O F F Gray, I respect you a lot, and I know exactly what you're talking about, but most folks here will not understand where you are coming from, they'll only read into into your statement what they want, and it will not be positive thoughts, but I hear you clearly and understand what you mean. Don't let others' negative opinions about MJ, destroy how you felt about him as an artist. Also, I was listening to some of the answers Quincy gave to one of the CNN personalities, when she just had to ask him about some personal things about MJ, and he respectfully told her, he would not discuss that. He also said the only thing that did upset him was MJ changing his features, he said MJ knew how strongly Quincy felt about that, but in my opinion, those were very, personal issues that MJ had within himself that he had to deal with, not anyone else, and it was very sad to see him make those transformatons. I can only say that MJ made major contributions to the music industry and I'm glad I was able to grow up with his music and enjoy the beautiful music from MJ and his family. May he rest in peace, and although I will miss him as an artistic genius, I am praying his soul is in peace, and at least those who threw stones at him, can no longer rob his soul. . [Edited 6/26/09 12:26pm] Education, the greatest weapon
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How do we remember Elvis? As a staggering fat drunken womanizer or a great legend?
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paintedlady said: How do we remember Elvis? As a staggering fat drunken womanizer or a great legend?
People choose to remember Elvis for all the good he did, and only that... people treat him like a god. Before Micheal there was white music played by white artists on white radio stations, and black artists were only played and heard on predominantly black stations. When Micheal did his thang, EVERYONE just saw a great performer, there was NO color, and MTV HAD to give him airtime. Micheal was music, white and black people adored him and he became a superstar for that. MJ was a trailblazer that broke many color lines and people to this day still imitate him in hopes of repeating the success MJ has achieved. MJ was a genius when it came to being the perfect publicity machine, which IMHO led to his own undoing. This is the fucking problem with the media.... they only white wash the stories of their own. [Edited 6/26/09 13:06pm] Exactly, and yet here we are in 2009 with people advocating injecting color straight back in. | |
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resolve said: paintedlady said: How do we remember Elvis? As a staggering fat drunken womanizer or a great legend?
People choose to remember Elvis for all the good he did, and only that... people treat him like a god. Before Micheal there was white music played by white artists on white radio stations, and black artists were only played and heard on predominantly black stations. When Micheal did his thang, EVERYONE just saw a great performer, there was NO color, and MTV HAD to give him airtime. Micheal was music, white and black people adored him and he became a superstar for that. MJ was a trailblazer that broke many color lines and people to this day still imitate him in hopes of repeating the success MJ has achieved. MJ was a genius when it came to being the perfect publicity machine, which IMHO led to his own undoing. This is the fucking problem with the media.... they only white wash the stories of their own. [Edited 6/26/09 13:06pm] Exactly, and yet here we are in 2009 with people advocating injecting color straight back in. Color.....or BALANCE? The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
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2elijah said: thepope2the9s said: some of these white commentators did not seem to be able to relate or
understand the impact of the MJ death. I had to keep flippin looking for someone w/real perspective but couldnt find it. Olberman was horrible and Greta on Fox was focusing on his molestation charges and eccentricities.... BET had 106/Park going and were just playing videos and reading tweets.... I have to say I felt the same way, from CNN - FOX, no respect. They're using this air time to get as much advertisers to buy air time and hike up ratings, but of course, they seem to be focusing "more" on the molestation accusations. For goodness sakes, the man isn't 6 feet underground yet and they're already trashing him. I wanted to send CNN an email and tell them to at least show some respect, it's too early in his death to be heartless towards him and his family. Just sickening. I'm listening to some radio stations that at least have the decency to not mention that. Honestly, I knew when I heard of his death, that the media (tv/cable) were going to focus on the negative stuff that happened in his life. There's plenty of time for the media to spend on the negative stories, for now, I think the least they could do is show some respect and focus more on his contributions to the music industry which is over a 40 year history. [Edited 6/26/09 12:16pm] I agree, thank goodness for Rhehema Ellis, her report about the Apollo Theater street dancing and celebration being held in MJ's honor was just what is needed on NBC news. Its horrible what some are saying, and just so very wrong. I hurt for his family that has to hear the bullshit (and I speak of the false rumors of voodoo worship, drugging, and other crazy things being said  )
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Graycap23 said: resolve said: Exactly, and yet here we are in 2009 with people advocating injecting color straight back in. Color.....or BALANCE? Exactly. instead of saying cheese when I take a picture, Imma say PHIMOSIS | |
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weused2luvhim said: chiltonmusic said: But here is where I disagree. For starters he was never found guilty of being a pedophile so that should have stopped after the court case. Bringing it up just reminds me of what I think killed him in the first place. So its not even reported from the view of he was the victor but rather they are still questioning and that pisses me off. That is why we need a black media outlet to tell our story and not the white media's. Because to the best of my knowledge the only bad thing they say about Elvis is that he was fat and loved fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Maybe we should all petition BET to have a nightly news a show like CBS and the other major networks. AWWWWW SHIT!! I was praying to God nobody broached that question!! Here my friend is the sad story of how that idea died a slow and painful death! BET USED to have a news division and they put on a pretty good product every night (mind you this was before the viacom purchase of them)When Viacom did purchase them..... Well Viacom found out what Bob Johnson and BET already knew which was.....Nobody was watching black news shows. Viacom then made the shrewd business move of sticking with the formula that was already threatening to become the most profitable channel in cable history and we got more videos, videos, and some new shows etc. But no more news. So when it all boils down to is the reason African Americans don't have a voice in news is nobody else's fault but our own. Sucks but its true. I was just hoping nobody called me on the carpet about it and since you brought it up I had to speak the truth! [Edited 6/26/09 14:15pm] THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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paintedlady said: 2elijah said: I have to say I felt the same way, from CNN - FOX, no respect. They're using this air time to get as much advertisers to buy air time and hike up ratings, but of course, they seem to be focusing "more" on the molestation accusations. For goodness sakes, the man isn't 6 feet underground yet and they're already trashing him. I wanted to send CNN an email and tell them to at least show some respect, it's too early in his death to be heartless towards him and his family. Just sickening. I'm listening to some radio stations that at least have the decency to not mention that. Honestly, I knew when I heard of his death, that the media (tv/cable) were going to focus on the negative stuff that happened in his life. There's plenty of time for the media to spend on the negative stories, for now, I think the least they could do is show some respect and focus more on his contributions to the music industry which is over a 40 year history. [Edited 6/26/09 12:16pm] I agree, thank goodness for Rhehema Ellis, her report about the Apollo Theater street dancing and celebration being held in MJ's honor was just what is needed on NBC news. Its horrible what some are saying, and just so very wrong. I hurt for his family that has to hear the bullshit (and I speak of the false rumors of voodoo worship, drugging, and other crazy things being said )
damn. I hear you paintedlady. I was there when they had JB's body for viewing at the Apollo, and I was outside with folks singing JB's songs and just celebrating his life and his contributions to the music industry. The media, again, tried to bring up his past arrests and other negative stuff. I had just read his book the year before and he explains it all, and it is totally different from what was reported in the media. The media is not an embracing place, and is only interested in how much viewership and advertising dollars they can get during reporting stories like this. They know the viewership is high because many fans/viewers are trying to get as much info as possible as to what happened/how did he die, and other info. So in my opinion, they don't really care what family members their hurting when they report stories like this. Education, the greatest weapon
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chiltonmusic said: weused2luvhim said: Maybe we should all petition BET to have a nightly news a show like CBS and the other major networks. AWWWWW SHIT!! I was praying to God nobody broached that question!! Here my friend is the sad story of how that idea died a slow and painful death! BET USED to have a news division and they put on a pretty good product every night (mind you this was before the viacom purchase of them)When Viacom did purchase them..... Well Viacom found out what Bob Johnson and BET already knew which was.....Nobody was watching black news shows. Viacom then made the shrewd business move of sticking with the formula that was already threatening to become the most profitable channel in cable history and we got more videos, videos, and some new shows etc. But no more news. So when it all boils down to is the reason African Americans don't have a voice in news is nobody else's fault but our own. Sucks but its true. I was just hoping nobody called me on the carpet about it and since you brought it up I had to speak the truth! [Edited 6/26/09 14:15pm] I used to watch BET news at 11:00pm every night and was surprised when they took that show off. When Bob Johnson sold it, Viacom was and still is not interested on promoting positive programs to black viewers. I would not blame it on African-Americans as a whole, it's way too easy to say that. If that's the case, then you could say the same thing about latin, Indian, African (yes there are very good African programs on the African Channel, russian, italian, greek, etc., tv that report news within their communities as a whole. Education, the greatest weapon
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I'm glad Al Sharpton is addressing to the media, and asking them what is their purpose or the need to "discuss MJ's darkside" instead of looking into more of the impact he made on the music industry. It's a damn shame something like that has to be asked of adults who are suppose to be professionals.
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yesterday on MSNBC they started in 20 years Michael will only be remembered for his music. as far as i'm concerned they are giving equal treatment to all things.
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ehuffnsd said: yesterday on MSNBC they started in 20 years Michael will only be remembered for his music. as far as i'm concerned they are giving equal treatment to all things.
we talked about this as a prehard stuff talk in therapy session. My psychologist said she doesn't feel he was a pedophile just a tragic man. However she doesn't understand how the people that wanted his head on a plate are now singing his praises. it's interesting how her and i don't see it as them attacking him but see more praise but some of you are saying you see more negativity. Yeah, but some of these nasty beeyotches are taking it way too far. You're hearing "hearsay" from people who were not even close to him talking sh*t. These same beeyotches didn't give a sh*t about him when he was on trial, so why all the BS, fake-ass concern now?Let them keep talking as one day, they'll see how it is to lose someone and have folks put them down before the body gets cold. For now I'll ignore all the usual, not surprised media BS. and just remember MJ for the great artist that he was. His music will always live on and the ones talking BS now about him, won't last as long as his music anyway. [Edited 6/26/09 14:51pm] Education, the greatest weapon
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