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Obama to Meet the Holy Father July 10 update with interview with the Prez VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama, whose support for abortion rights and stem cell research has angered some Catholics, is due to meet Pope Benedict for the first time on July 10 during a visit to Italy.
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Tremolina said: holy father?
yes that is a term to address the pope it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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I want to see some serious Preferential Option for the Poor come out of this. | |
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foal30 said: I want to see some serious Preferential Option for the Poor come out of this.
Benny seems to keep the poor in the top of his speeches so i'm sure he'll address Barry about the need to do more for the poor. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: Tremolina said: holy father?
yes that is a term to address the pope I see the pope as just another human being trying to teach others how to be human. No disrespect, but there's only one Holy Father as far as I'm concerned and it is "not" the pope. [Edited 6/27/09 7:06am] The patience and love I am blessed with, is the golden key for my strength and survival.  | |
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Tremolina said: holy father?
Regarding religious leaders Jesus said "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." -Matthew 23:9. Truth is incontrovertible,
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ehuffnsd said: Tremolina said: holy father?
yes that is a term to address the pope Yes I know, I just don't see what's so holy about him and what the point is of calling him that. In this current day and age I think in fact that it only works counter productive to describe him that way (see the other comments above for illustration). Anyway, what can the pope do for Obama and what can Obama do for the pope? -- [Edited 6/27/09 7:59am] | |
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Priests are called "Father" or "Brother" and nuns are called "Mother" or "Sister" depending on whom is addressing them and why.
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PurpleJedi said: Priests are called "Father" or "Brother" and nuns are called "Mother" or "Sister" depending on whom is addressing them and why.
It's a little thing called respect that Americans seem to abhor but nevertheless is the Catholic thing to do, so if you are not a Catholic, then don't worry about it. Everyone is entitled to be spoken to in a respectful manner. I was brought up Catholic and when I started to read the Bible when I was about 30 I started to notice that what Jesus taught and spoke of didn’t even remotely resemble what the I was taught as a Catholic. This subject is just one small but important example. Jesus said "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." -Matthew 23:9. Here is the question I had to ask myself – who should I listen to . . . Jesus Christ the son of God or the Catholic church? It was a simple choice for me and that is why I am no longer a Catholic. Who are you going to listen too? In the context of respect, it is disrespectful to Jesus and his God Jehovah to call a religious person Father for the reason Jesus stated. Who are you going to have greater respect for… the priest or Jesus? Truth is incontrovertible,
Malice may distort it, Ignorance may deride it, But there it is. Go to the source - www.watchtower.org 2 all the haterz on the internet somebody's lookin' at you. No more candy 4 you they got ur number now fool. | |
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Catholic thread on Prince.org descends into farce shock | |
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PurpleJedi said: Priests are called "Father" or "Brother" and nuns are called "Mother" or "Sister" depending on whom is addressing them and why.
It's a little thing called respect that Americans seem to abhor but nevertheless is the Catholic thing to do, so if you are not a Catholic, then don't worry about it. Respect  ...I see.
Not jus America...as far as I kno, Western Society. I wonder wat will happen if I address him as Mr. Paul? "Tell the cat to chill..." | |
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foal30 said: Catholic thread on Prince.org descends into farce shock
 i know right. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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JayJai said: PurpleJedi said: Priests are called "Father" or "Brother" and nuns are called "Mother" or "Sister" depending on whom is addressing them and why.
It's a little thing called respect that Americans seem to abhor but nevertheless is the Catholic thing to do, so if you are not a Catholic, then don't worry about it. Respect ...I see.
Not jus America...as far as I kno, Western Society. I wonder wat will happen if I address him as Mr. Paul? who? it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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NewSystem said: PurpleJedi said: Priests are called "Father" or "Brother" and nuns are called "Mother" or "Sister" depending on whom is addressing them and why.
It's a little thing called respect that Americans seem to abhor but nevertheless is the Catholic thing to do, so if you are not a Catholic, then don't worry about it. Everyone is entitled to be spoken to in a respectful manner. I was brought up Catholic and when I started to read the Bible when I was about 30 I started to notice that what Jesus taught and spoke of didn’t even remotely resemble what the I was taught as a Catholic. This subject is just one small but important example. Jesus said "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." -Matthew 23:9. Here is the question I had to ask myself – who should I listen to . . . Jesus Christ the son of God or the Catholic church? It was a simple choice for me and that is why I am no longer a Catholic. Who are you going to listen too? In the context of respect, it is disrespectful to Jesus and his God Jehovah to call a religious person Father for the reason Jesus stated. Who are you going to have greater respect for… the priest or Jesus? Judaism can only fully understood in the context of the Torah, Tanakh, Rabbinic Tradition, Talmud, and the Zohar. The Ancient Churches, Catholic,(Roman and Eastern Churches in communion with Rome), Oriental Orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox all believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and can only be fully understood through the Holy Traditions of the Church. A practice that it took from Judaism. Not all parts of Tradition or Bible have to be believed in to be Catholic or the above some parts are Dogma and are tenants of faith both in the Bible and Tradition. The Church Fathers rightly taught that if left to the masses there would be no uniform understanding of Christianity if it was left open for everyone's interpretation. There are now some 1000 or more divisions of Christanity and all of them claim to be the correct one. 6 [8-12] These verses, warning against the use of various titles, are addressed to the disciples alone. While only the title "Rabbi' has been said to be used in addressing the scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23:7), the implication is that Father and "Master' also were. The prohibition of these titles to the disciples suggests that their use was present in Matthew's church. The Matthean Jesus forbids not only the titles but the spirit of superiority and pride that is shown by their acceptance. Whoever exalts . . . will be exalted: cf Luke 14:11. http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew23.htm#foot6
1 [1-39] The final section of the narrative part of the fifth book of the gospel is a denunciation by Jesus of the scribes and the Pharisees (see the note on Matthew 3:7). It depends in part on Mark and Q (cf Mark 12:38-39; Luke 11:37-52; 13:34-35), but in the main it is peculiar to Matthew. (For the reasons against considering this extensive body of sayings- material either as one of the structural discourses of this gospel or as part of the one that follows in Matthew 24-25, see the note on Matthew 19:1-23:39.) While the tradition of a deep opposition between Jesus and the Pharisees is well founded, this speech reflects an opposition that goes beyond that of Jesus' ministry and must be seen as expressing the bitter conflict between Pharisaic Judaism and the church of Matthew at the time when the gospel was composed. The complaint often made that the speech ignores the positive qualities of Pharisaism and of its better representatives is true, but the complaint overlooks the circumstances that gave rise to the invective. Nor is the speech purely anti-Pharisaic. The evangelist discerns in his church many of the same faults that he finds in its opponents and warns his fellow Christians to look to their own conduct and attitudes. [Edited 6/29/09 10:15am] it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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NewSystem said: Jesus said "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." -Matthew 23:9.?
If you're going at face value and completely ignore the meaning behind the words, then I will tell you that I absolutely REFUSE, come Hell or high water, to call the earthly man who sired me & raised me anything BUT FATHER. [Edited 6/29/09 10:55am] If Prince.Org shuts down, I'm writing SLAVE on my left buttcheek! | |
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PurpleJedi said: NewSystem said: Jesus said "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." -Matthew 23:9.?
If you're going at face value and completely ignore the meaning behind the words, then I will tell you that I absolutely REFUSE, come Hell or high water, to call the earthly man who sired me & raised me anything BUT FATHER. [Edited 6/29/09 10:55am] once again it's taken out of context. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJedi said: If you're going at face value and completely ignore the meaning behind the words, then I will tell you that I absolutely REFUSE, come Hell or high water, to call the earthly man who sired me & raised me anything BUT FATHER. once again it's taken out of context. 
I'm sure that somewhere along the way something was lost in the translation. If Prince.Org shuts down, I'm writing SLAVE on my left buttcheek! | |
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PurpleJedi said: ehuffnsd said: once again it's taken out of context.
I'm sure that somewhere along the way something was lost in the translation. yeah hebrew to aramaic to greek to english.. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJedi said:
I'm sure that somewhere along the way something was lost in the translation. yeah hebrew to aramaic to greek to english.. ...Latin wasn't in there somewhere??? If Prince.Org shuts down, I'm writing SLAVE on my left buttcheek! | |
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PurpleJedi said: ehuffnsd said: yeah hebrew to aramaic to greek to english.. ...Latin wasn't in there somewhere??? oh yeah the Vulgate... now this trend of taking it back to the original texts. However there are differences in minor details depending on when it was written. Also Jesus preached in Aramaic and the Gospels were written in Greek. i think i forgot the Vulgate because it wasn't used in the Translation of the King James Bible which most Protestants call the definitive English Bible. [Edited 6/29/09 11:12am] it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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I don't understand why people would think of God as "the Father" anyway. How could God possibly be tied up in gender?
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ehuffnsd said: JayJai said: Respect ...I see.
Not jus America...as far as I kno, Western Society. I wonder wat will happen if I address him as Mr. Paul? who? shit...my bad 
Mr.... Benedict? 
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JayJai said: ehuffnsd said: who? shit...my bad
Mr.... Benedict?
Do I have it right now? protocol is to refer to him as His Holiness it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Gotta say... this current pope just does not have the same kind of spiritual aura as JP II. "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: Gotta say... this current pope just does not have the same kind of spiritual aura as JP II.
 benedict is more of a theologian jp2 was a pastor it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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and they both aint half of JPI
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ehuffnsd said: JayJai said: shit...my bad
Mr.... Benedict?
Do I have it right now? protocol is to refer to him as His Holiness Yea...but back to my question... would I be punished if I referred to him as Mr....? "Tell the cat to chill..." | |
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JayJai said: ehuffnsd said: protocol is to refer to him as His Holiness Yea...but back to my question... would I be punished if I referred to him as Mr....? probably not...but if I had my say, you'd be rapped on the knuckles with a wooden ruler and forced to write "I will address the Pope as His Holiness" on the board 100 times. By Whoopi Goldberg in a nun's outfit. If Prince.Org shuts down, I'm writing SLAVE on my left buttcheek! | |
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PurpleJedi said: JayJai said: Yea...but back to my question... would I be punished if I referred to him as Mr....? probably not...but if I had my say, you'd be rapped on the knuckles with a wooden ruler and forced to write "I will address the Pope as His Holiness" on the board 100 times. By Whoopi Goldberg in a nun's outfit. "Tell the cat to chill..." | |
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