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Thread started 06/17/09 7:51pm

jill4life

A Lady Sat Next To Me The Other Day

on one of the benches outside of the building where I work. I was taking my morning break and I believe she also works in the building. She began a conversation about how difficult "things" are getting and how "evil" is running rampant on Earth.

She mentioned the recent news stories about people who have been molesting the young children. Of course she was disturbed about this as am I.

Towards the end of the conversation she began to urge me to pray and she stated that she believed time was short to get one's life right. For the record, I pray and also believe our ultimate state is decided by the life we live here on earth.

I also believe there has been an increase is "evil" activity and that it will continue to rise.

What are your thoughts on the increase in horrific acts in our society today and do you believe that "evil" has began to recruit and claim its army?

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Reply #1 posted 06/17/09 7:56pm

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jill4life said:

on one of the benches outside of the building where I work. I was taking my morning break and I believe she also works in the building. She began a conversation about how difficult "things" are getting and how "evil" is running rampant on Earth.

She mentioned the recent news stories about people who have been molesting the young children. Of course she was disturbed about this as am I.

Towards the end of the conversation she began to urge me to pray and she stated that she believed time was short to get one's life right. For the record, I pray and also believe our ultimate state is decided by the life we live here on earth.

I also believe there has been an increase is "evil" activity and that it will continue to rise.

What are your thoughts on the increase in horrific acts in our society today and do you believe that "evil" has began to recruit and claim its army?

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Reply #2 posted 06/17/09 8:14pm

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It's a natural part of life.

Societies are born, rise, then fall. They gain power & wealth, become complacent, corrupt & decrepid, then fall to other rising nations.

It's been happening for thousands of years BEFORE Christ, and will continue to happen thousands of years after the USA is a long distant memory.

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Reply #3 posted 06/17/09 9:03pm

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My grandmother has been preaching the "end of days" since I was child. I have faith and believe the older/wiser and evolve that these sins are more disturbing.
God's timing isn't constrained to a couple of generations.

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Reply #4 posted 06/17/09 10:05pm

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YESWECAN said:

My grandmother has been preaching the "end of days" since I was child. I have faith and believe the older/wiser and evolve that these sins are more disturbing.
God's timing isn't constrained to a couple of generations.


Billions have died of unnatural causes since the dawn of man, and humans have always suffered through natural diseases, plagues, hardships and war.

On a ratio of people on earth / bad things that happen to people on earth I doubt we're any higher than we've ever been in the past, and we're probably lower. However, that does not mean things won't get worse if we don't take steps to improve our lives and our chances of surviving as a species for many years to come. And that will mean sacrifices from us all, sacrifices which I think many are unwilling to make.

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Reply #5 posted 06/17/09 10:46pm

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jill4life said:

on one of the benches outside of the building where I work. I was taking my morning break and I believe she also works in the building. She began a conversation about how difficult "things" are getting and how "evil" is running rampant on Earth.

She mentioned the recent news stories about people who have been molesting the young children. Of course she was disturbed about this as am I.

Towards the end of the conversation she began to urge me to pray and she stated that she believed time was short to get one's life right. For the record, I pray and also believe our ultimate state is decided by the life we live here on earth.

I also believe there has been an increase is "evil" activity and that it will continue to rise.

What are your thoughts on the increase in horrific acts in our society today and do you believe that "evil" has began to recruit and claim its army?


The evil now is the same as it was since the beginning of time. We just are more sophisitcated in the knowledge of it.

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Reply #6 posted 06/18/09 8:05am

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jill4life said:

on one of the benches outside of the building where I work. I was taking my morning break and I believe she also works in the building. She began a conversation about how difficult "things" are getting and how "evil" is running rampant on Earth.

She mentioned the recent news stories about people who have been molesting the young children. Of course she was disturbed about this as am I.

Towards the end of the conversation she began to urge me to pray and she stated that she believed time was short to get one's life right. For the record, I pray and also believe our ultimate state is decided by the life we live here on earth.

I also believe there has been an increase is "evil" activity and that it will continue to rise.

What are your thoughts on the increase in horrific acts in our society today and do you believe that "evil" has began to recruit and claim its army?



It is funny. I was playing basketball the other day, and one of my friends said the same thing. My reaction was, dude where have you been for the last 2 decades? Evil has been with us since the dawn of time. We are just more aware of it now more than ever.

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Reply #7 posted 06/18/09 8:34am

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People have been believing they were living in the end times ever since Jesus' time.
Many other times in history have been worse than now.
The 1300s for example... hideous time to live.
I doubt there is an increase in horrific acts, I think the difference is that we have the media emphasizing them all the time. Horrific news sells.

I agree that child molestation is bad, but the very nature of religious organizations makes it very easy for the abuse to occur repeatedly in those groups.

Contemplating how to better ourselves and working to make the world a better place is never a bad idea.

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Reply #8 posted 06/18/09 8:38am

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shellyevon said:

People have been believing they were living in the end times ever since Jesus' time.
Many other times in history have been worse than now.
The 1300s for example... hideous time to live.
I doubt there is an increase in horrific acts, I think the difference is that we have the media emphasizing them all the time. Horrific news sells.

I agree that child molestation is bad, but the very nature of religious organizations makes it very easy for the abuse to occur repeatedly in those groups.

Contemplating how to better ourselves and working to make the world a better place is never a bad idea.


yup, medieval times were horrific beyond anything in a horror film. I really don't get how people can say things are worse now...

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Reply #9 posted 06/18/09 9:52am

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coolcat said:

shellyevon said:

People have been believing they were living in the end times ever since Jesus' time.
Many other times in history have been worse than now.
The 1300s for example... hideous time to live.
I doubt there is an increase in horrific acts, I think the difference is that we have the media emphasizing them all the time. Horrific news sells.

I agree that child molestation is bad, but the very nature of religious organizations makes it very easy for the abuse to occur repeatedly in those groups.

Contemplating how to better ourselves and working to make the world a better place is never a bad idea.


yup, medieval times were horrific beyond anything in a horror film. I really don't get how people can say things are worse now...


The media has great influence on people's minds. Even on the collective mindset of the people.

And not just on the mindsets of regular folks, also on the (potential) perpetrators of crimes. Criminals like rapists and child molestors see on the news time and time again that it is hard to get caught and easy to get away with. Copy cat killers go on the internet looking for attention claiming their school shooting will be worse than the last and actually do it too when they are not taken seriously. Mexican drug dealers see Al Qaeda terrorists beheading people to send a terrifying message and start doing the same.

It's no wonder most people get more afraid and start to think evil is increasing day by day when the media, including the internet which is basically all of us, feeds us with these horrific stories day by day.

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Reply #10 posted 06/18/09 1:28pm

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I don't believe there's been an increase at all. We're just more aware of it. And saying "evil acts" have increased because we're more aware of them is like saying algebra only began to exist as a mathematical concept when we began to learn it in school.

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Reply #11 posted 06/18/09 1:29pm

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savoirfaire said:

YESWECAN said:

My grandmother has been preaching the "end of days" since I was child. I have faith and believe the older/wiser and evolve that these sins are more disturbing.
God's timing isn't constrained to a couple of generations.


Billions have died of unnatural causes since the dawn of man, and humans have always suffered through natural diseases, plagues, hardships and war.

On a ratio of people on earth / bad things that happen to people on earth I doubt we're any higher than we've ever been in the past, and we're probably lower. However, that does not mean things won't get worse if we don't take steps to improve our lives and our chances of surviving as a species for many years to come. And that will mean sacrifices from us all, sacrifices which I think many are unwilling to make.

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Reply #12 posted 06/18/09 3:26pm

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we can say evil is running rampant. we should say in addition, the belief we have in faith and hope.


remember, your words are spirit and life. dont give life to evil.

THE B EST

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Reply #13 posted 06/18/09 7:03pm

jill4life

savoirfaire said:[quote]YESWECAN said:[quote] However, that does not mean things won't get worse if we don't take steps to improve our lives and our chances of surviving as a species for many years to come. And that will mean sacrifices from us all, sacrifices which I think many are unwilling to make.[/quote]


I'm thiking about your statement here ^^ I believe this feeling of "where are we going with all of this" helplessness and/or things are getting worse, stems from fear that there are not enough people with a desire, strength or capability to "make things better" and therefore things will not get better.

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Reply #14 posted 06/18/09 7:06pm

jill4life

shellyevon said:

People have been believing they were living in the end times ever since Jesus' time.
Many other times in history have been worse than now.
The 1300s for example... hideous time to live.



This also adds to the fear and magnitude because one would think that an "advanced" society would operate differently--for starters we have the past to learn from?

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Reply #15 posted 06/18/09 7:10pm

jill4life

Tremolina said:[quote]

coolcat said:



It's no wonder most people get more afraid and start to think evil is increasing day by day when the media, including the internet which is basically all of us, feeds us with these horrific stories day by day.




Remember some years ago maybe 8-10 or so, the media (TV News mostly) had this big push to "lighten up the news" and they would air 1 happy, good, story and run it at the end of the newscast? How long did that last?

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Reply #16 posted 06/18/09 7:17pm

jill4life

myfavorite said:

we can say evil is running rampant. we should say in addition, the belief we have in faith and hope.


remember, your words are spirit and life. dont give life to evil.



I like this thought and I do belive that energy travels and can materialize.

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Reply #17 posted 06/18/09 11:22pm

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I'll be 59yrs old in sept, I have lived in my city since 1959, I have watched the crime rate skyrocket. When I was a kid my friends and I would ride our bicycles to the matinee theatre, lean them on the building wall outside on main street no lock down for the bikes, come out in a couple hours everyone jumped on their bikes and we went home we did this from grade four to high school. When in high school we used to be able to walk our girlfriends in the evening after the evening movies any where in the city without any hassles. Now your bike will not be where you locked it down, if you are on the street after the traffic slows you had better be off or you will get mugged. People are getting beat up and killed. All the stores have cages over the windows and they are still not safe. People have a different attitude about peoples property and very little respect for the law or anyone for that matters. It's worse in the bigger cities and this social problem is everywhere now. I'm just saying I have been watching the same area for a long time and it has changed drastically and I don't see it getting any better, in fact I doubt we see the half of it on the media.
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Reply #18 posted 06/19/09 8:02am

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Global average standards of living are higher than they have ever been. we are living longer than we ever have. We can travel the globe with ease. We are more integrated than ever before. Poverty and pestulance do not even compare to levels suffered in past times. Compare crime and murder to living in medieval Europe.

So no, I don;t agree. There's absolutely no reason to.

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Reply #19 posted 06/19/09 8:15am

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Actually, evil has gone down. That is media fabrication. We are actually becoming better, not worse. Violence was really bad hundreds of years ago. As time goes forward we continue to be a peaceful species.

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Reply #20 posted 06/19/09 9:29am

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razor said:

Global average standards of living are higher than they have ever been. we are living longer than we ever have. We can travel the globe with ease. We are more integrated than ever before. Poverty and pestulance do not even compare to levels suffered in past times. Compare crime and murder to living in medieval Europe.

So no, I don;t agree. There's absolutely no reason to.


one sixth of the world is hungry, you can't possibly think things are going forward and getting better. I believe if you and I were part of that one billion people we might think things are not so good.

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Reply #21 posted 06/19/09 9:48am

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rodman2 said:

I'll be 59yrs old in sept, I have lived in my city since 1959, I have watched the crime rate skyrocket. When I was a kid my friends and I would ride our bicycles to the matinee theatre, lean them on the building wall outside on main street no lock down for the bikes, come out in a couple hours everyone jumped on their bikes and we went home we did this from grade four to high school. When in high school we used to be able to walk our girlfriends in the evening after the evening movies any where in the city without any hassles. Now your bike will not be where you locked it down, if you are on the street after the traffic slows you had better be off or you will get mugged. People are getting beat up and killed. All the stores have cages over the windows and they are still not safe. People have a different attitude about peoples property and very little respect for the law or anyone for that matters. It's worse in the bigger cities and this social problem is everywhere now. I'm just saying I have been watching the same area for a long time and it has changed drastically and I don't see it getting any better, in fact I doubt we see the half of it on the media.
typo
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The only reason kids aren't allowed to do anything on their own anymore is parental paranoia. Crime rates have steadily been declining for decades. In fact, it's probably SAFER for a kid to play outside than it used to be. Not that you'd know by the number of even older kids whose parents keep them under Big Brother-style watch.

IMO, people don't trust their kids not to be stupid.

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Reply #22 posted 06/19/09 9:51am

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Just look at USA since 1960 reports show the population has not even doubled but crimes have more than tripled. http://www.disastercenter.com/ How can this mean things are getting better and not worse?

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Reply #23 posted 06/19/09 12:08pm

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meow85 said:

rodman2 said:

I'll be 59yrs old in sept, I have lived in my city since 1959, I have watched the crime rate skyrocket. When I was a kid my friends and I would ride our bicycles to the matinee theatre, lean them on the building wall outside on main street no lock down for the bikes, come out in a couple hours everyone jumped on their bikes and we went home we did this from grade four to high school. When in high school we used to be able to walk our girlfriends in the evening after the evening movies any where in the city without any hassles. Now your bike will not be where you locked it down, if you are on the street after the traffic slows you had better be off or you will get mugged. People are getting beat up and killed. All the stores have cages over the windows and they are still not safe. People have a different attitude about peoples property and very little respect for the law or anyone for that matters. It's worse in the bigger cities and this social problem is everywhere now. I'm just saying I have been watching the same area for a long time and it has changed drastically and I don't see it getting any better, in fact I doubt we see the half of it on the media.
typo
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The only reason kids aren't allowed to do anything on their own anymore is parental paranoia. Crime rates have steadily been declining for decades. In fact, it's probably SAFER for a kid to play outside than it used to be. Not that you'd know by the number of even older kids whose parents keep them under Big Brother-style watch.

IMO, people don't trust their kids not to be stupid.


Please show the statistics, surely if crime is on the decline for decades, we all can stop locking our doors at night, and our vehicles during the day. You must have some proof of this statement in the bold. Prove it to us.

I think the reason there is so much crime is that the parents of the criminal element didn't give the kids any attention at all.

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Reply #24 posted 06/19/09 12:16pm

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PurpleJedi said:

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It's a natural part of life.

Societies are born, rise, then fall. They gain power & wealth, become complacent, corrupt & decrepid, then fall to other rising nations.

It's been happening for thousands of years BEFORE Christ, and will continue to happen thousands of years after the USA is a long distant memory.


Exactly.

It's cyclical.

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Reply #25 posted 06/19/09 3:54pm

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rodman2 said:

meow85 said:


The only reason kids aren't allowed to do anything on their own anymore is parental paranoia. Crime rates have steadily been declining for decades. In fact, it's probably SAFER for a kid to play outside than it used to be. Not that you'd know by the number of even older kids whose parents keep them under Big Brother-style watch.

IMO, people don't trust their kids not to be stupid.


Please show the statistics, surely if crime is on the decline for decades, we all can stop locking our doors at night, and our vehicles during the day. You must have some proof of this statement in the bold. Prove it to us.

I think the reason there is so much crime is that the parents of the criminal element didn't give the kids any attention at all.



http://www.statcan.gc.ca/...1a-eng.htm

Most crimes but homicide and drug possession have been in a steady decline in Canada for years. And even with that, the bulk of homicides are related to organized crime and so nothing for the average citizen to fear, and the bulk of drug offences are marijuana-related, a problem which could easily be solved by decriminalization.

This is a safer country than even when I was a kid in the 80's and 90's, and yet children now aren't being allowed to do half the stuff my friends and I were.

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Reply #26 posted 06/20/09 12:32am

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jill4life said:

myfavorite said:

we can say evil is running rampant. we should say in addition, the belief we have in faith and hope.


remember, your words are spirit and life. dont give life to evil.



I like this thought and I do belive that energy travels and can materialize.



its a funny thing sometimes.

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Reply #27 posted 06/20/09 9:23am

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meow85 said:

rodman2 said:



Please show the statistics, surely if crime is on the decline for decades, we all can stop locking our doors at night, and our vehicles during the day. You must have some proof of this statement in the bold. Prove it to us.

I think the reason there is so much crime is that the parents of the criminal element didn't give the kids any attention at all.



http://www.statcan.gc.ca/...1a-eng.htm

Most crimes but homicide and drug possession have been in a steady decline in Canada for years. And even with that, the bulk of homicides are related to organized crime and so nothing for the average citizen to fear, and the bulk of drug offences are marijuana-related, a problem which could easily be solved by decriminalization.

This is a safer country than even when I was a kid in the 80's and 90's, and yet children now aren't being allowed to do half the stuff my friends and I were.



The same is true in the US, but fear mongers will never see it

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/...ce/cv2.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/...house2.htm

Those charts are from the Department of Justice, who i think are experts in crime.
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Reply #28 posted 06/20/09 9:48am

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xlr8r said:


The evil now is the same as it was since the beginning of time. We just are more sophisitcated in the knowledge of it.


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Reply #29 posted 06/20/09 9:48am

jill4life

I still maintain people's observations include not only "crime" but hunger and poverty. In a sophisticated, wealthy society as ours, globally these should be considered part of the overall ills.


Not sure why the table didn't post properly but the stats are as follows:

Type of violence/rate per population/percentage of population (world)

TABLE 1
Estimated global violence-related deaths, 2000

[img]Type of violence Number

Rate per
100 000
population
Proportion
of total
yinyang
Homicide 520 000 8.8 3 1.3
Suicide 815 000 14.5 49.1
War-related 310 000 5.2 18.6
Totalc 1 659 000 28.8 100.0

Low- to middleincome
countries
1 510 000 32.1 91.1

High-income
countries
149 000 14.4 8.9

Source: WHO Global Burden of Disease project for 2000, Version 1.[/img]

Not everyone is equally at risk from
violence, and a closer look at the problem reveals
who the principal victims were and where they
lived. Males accounted for three-quarters of all
victims of homicide, and had rates more than three
times those among females.

The highest homicide
rates in the world – at 19.4 per 100 000 – were
found among males aged 15–29 years.

Homicide rates among males tend to
decline with age; however, for women, the rate is
around 4 per 100 000 across all age groups, with
the exception of the group aged 5–14 years, where
it is about 2 per 100 000.


The most recent estimate (2006) of the FAO says that 854 million people worldwide are undernourished. This is 12.6 percent of the estimated world population of 6.6 billion. Most of the undernourished--820 million--are in developing countries.

About 25,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes, according to the United Nations.

Compared to the world’s other
most populous countries, the
2.2 million people currently
incarcerated in the US is 153%
higher than Russia, 505% higher
than Brazil, 550% higher than
India, and over 2,000% higher
than Indonesia, Bangladesh, or
Nigeria (ICPS, 2006).


More on Crime

http://www.publiceye.org/...0World.pdf

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