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67% support for Same-Sex Marriage(42%)/Unions (25%) Nationwide http://www.cbsnews.com/bl...2643.shtml
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Why should gay couples be just as miserable as the rest of us..... The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
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Also an interesting and related piece in the NYT:
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jtfolden said: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4972643.shtml
"Forty-two percent of Americans now say same sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. That's up nine points from last month, when 33 percent supported legalizing same sex marriage. Support for same sex marriage is now at its highest point since CBS News starting asking about it in 2004." how many americans did they actually poll? you gotta watch out for polls especially those coming from NYT. and if there's so much support then what's up with all these propositions making marriage exclusively hetero?  
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DesireeNevermind said: how many americans did they actually poll? you gotta watch out for polls especially those coming from NYT.
The poll has a reported error of + or - 3% overall if that's what you are getting at. and if there's so much support then what's up with all these propositions making marriage exclusively hetero?
I think DiminutiveRocker's post above explains the answer to your question. A werewolf, a vampire, and a ghost share a house together.. in Bristol! http://being-human.tv
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jtfolden said: DesireeNevermind said: how many americans did they actually poll? you gotta watch out for polls especially those coming from NYT.
The poll has a reported error of + or - 3% overall if that's what you are getting at. and if there's so much support then what's up with all these propositions making marriage exclusively hetero?
I think DiminutiveRocker's post above explains the answer to your question. Nah, I meant how many people, numbers, took the poll. if 250 adults responded that is not a fair reflection on 200 million adults and what they think. If those who responded were primarily gay or young or of any singular group, then again not a reflection on other groups who didn't answer the poll. I take polls with a grain of salt ever since polls showed Bush was doing a good job not so long ago, that McCain was closely tied to Obama in the prez race and that George Clooney was the sexiest man alive. Ever since those misreports I said fuck polls. Also, Rocker's post didn't help. 4 states out of 50 is hardly a run. Im still but wutevs. thx for tryna clarify.
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DesireeNevermind said: I take polls with a grain of salt ever since polls showed Bush was doing a good job not so long ago,.
 How OLD is that poll? Oh, did you mean Bush Sr.?
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DiminutiveRocker said: DesireeNevermind said: I take polls with a grain of salt ever since polls showed Bush was doing a good job not so long ago,.
How OLD is that poll? Oh, did you mean Bush Sr.?
they both be pretty dam old by now.  and that poll on Obama being hot... baby need to work them pecs.
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DesireeNevermind said: jtfolden said: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4972643.shtml
"Forty-two percent of Americans now say same sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. That's up nine points from last month, when 33 percent supported legalizing same sex marriage. Support for same sex marriage is now at its highest point since CBS News starting asking about it in 2004." how many americans did they actually poll? you gotta watch out for polls especially those coming from NYT. and if there's so much support then what's up with all these propositions making marriage exclusively hetero? All your answers are in the link in the first post: Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows
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Forty-two percent of Americans now say same sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. That's up nine points from last month, when 33 percent supported legalizing same sex marriage. Support for same sex marriage is now at its highest point since CBS News starting asking about it in 2004. Twenty-eight percent say same sex couples should have no legal recognition – down from 35 percent in March – while 25 percent support civil unions, but not marriage, for gay couples. As has historically been the case on this issue, liberals are more likely to support same sex marriage. Sixty-nine percent support the idea, while conservatives generally favor either civil unions (28 percent) or no legal recognition (44 percent). This poll was conducted among a random sample of 973 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone April 22-26, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from RDD samples of both standard land-lines and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. An oversample of African Americans were interviewed for a total of 212 interviews with African Americans. The results then weighted in proportion to the racial composition of the adult population in the U.S. Census. The margin of error for the sample of African Americans is 7 points. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls. | |
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jtfolden said: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4972643.shtml
"Forty-two percent of Americans now say same sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. That's up nine points from last month, when 33 percent supported legalizing same sex marriage. Support for same sex marriage is now at its highest point since CBS News starting asking about it in 2004." I find the 67% number suspect
I do agree that the nation is swinging to the left with the younger populations becoming more and more socially liberal percentagewise, and this will ultimately tip the scales in favor of same sex marriage. So I agree it's probably the highest point it's ever been. Folks who don't beleive this to be the case should check out the book titled "The Next 100 Years". However, I find the high number for CURRENT attitudes suspicious. There's ALOT of socially conservative fucktards still around. And they are pisssssed off
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americans (excluding religious zealots and the org examples of) are finally waking up to what a ridiculous non-issue this is, and good for them. "passing strange"... experience the real
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DesireeNevermind said:  latin folk didn't get polled?The results then weighted in proportion to the racial composition of the adult population in the U.S. Census. "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: DesireeNevermind said: latin folk didn't get polled?The results then weighted in proportion to the racial composition of the adult population in the U.S. Census. Gobbledygook! i wanna see the % of latinos who actually answered the poll not some hodgepodge representation (300 + people responded so lets guess how many were hispanic based on how many hispanics there are in the country). I hate polls. Never fully scientific and always swayed.
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DesireeNevermind said: DiminutiveRocker said: The results then weighted in proportion to the racial composition of the adult population in the U.S. Census. Gobbledygook! i wanna see the % of latinos who actually answered the poll not some hodgepodge representation (300 + people responded so lets guess how many were hispanic based on how many hispanics there are in the country). I hate polls. Never fully scientific and always swayed. Why the interest in the precise # of Latinos polled? Do you think that particular ethnic group has a leaning on the subject? "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DesireeNevermind said: DiminutiveRocker said: The results then weighted in proportion to the racial composition of the adult population in the U.S. Census. Gobbledygook! i wanna see the % of latinos who actually answered the poll not some hodgepodge representation (300 + people responded so lets guess how many were hispanic based on how many hispanics there are in the country). I hate polls. Never fully scientific and always swayed. I'm latino and I didn't get poll questions. 
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TikiColadas said: DesireeNevermind said: Gobbledygook! i wanna see the % of latinos who actually answered the poll not some hodgepodge representation (300 + people responded so lets guess how many were hispanic based on how many hispanics there are in the country). I hate polls. Never fully scientific and always swayed. I'm latino and I didn't get poll questions.
Good points Desiree on your poll questions. what? how is racially deconstructing a poll about gay marriage a good point? "passing strange"... experience the real
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cborgman said: TikiColadas said: I'm latino and I didn't get poll questions.
Good points Desiree on your poll questions. what? how is racially deconstructing a poll about gay marriage a good point? It isn't. 
I'm Latino and if I were polled I would have fallen in line with these numbers. So would most my family snd friends who are Latino. Um.... significance of the # of Latinos polled? Unless Desiree thinks it would make a difference in the end result. If so, I'm curious as to why? "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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TikiColadas said: DesireeNevermind said: Gobbledygook! i wanna see the % of latinos who actually answered the poll not some hodgepodge representation (300 + people responded so lets guess how many were hispanic based on how many hispanics there are in the country). I hate polls. Never fully scientific and always swayed. I'm latino and I didn't get poll questions.
Good points Desiree on your poll questions. Thats what Im sayin' Certain people are not fairly represented (if at all) in these polls, any polls that have to deal with social issues. its always black/white then young/old and sometimes gay/straight depending on the poll and everybody else is guessed at using some weird extrapolating method. If you broke this issue down among asians, latinos, blue collar workers, new citizens, jamaicans, immigrants in general, people with kids versus people without kids then you could say you got a more fair representation of America. It aint just about black/white and young/old or even gay/straight anymore. 900 plus people who happen to read the NYT or watch CBS do not necessarily represent the other 250 mill nor do they qualify as a random group of people without the demographics fully explored. If this were the case then all these props banning gay marriage or creating civil unions separate from marriage would have never seen the light of day b/c 67% plus the 42% that lean toward gay marriage would have voted in favor of it. Just appears to me that there is a disparity between the poll and the voting booth.
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DesireeNevermind said: nor do they qualify as a random group of people without the demographics fully explored.
Care to expound on the logic of that statement? A werewolf, a vampire, and a ghost share a house together.. in Bristol! http://being-human.tv
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jtfolden said: DesireeNevermind said: nor do they qualify as a random group of people without the demographics fully explored.
Care to expound on the logic of that statement? Sure. If you have 900 people who all watch the same programs and all live in metropolitan cities, and may have been targeted for polling because of said program and residences...I wouldn't call that random. I would call that selective.
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DesireeNevermind said: jtfolden said: Care to expound on the logic of that statement? Sure. If you have 900 people who all watch the same programs and all live in metropolitan cities, and may have been targeted for polling because of said program and residences...I wouldn't call that random. I would call that selective. I would too, actually. Are you assuming or do you know that people who were polled all live in metropolitan areas and watch CBS and read the NYT? You make a valid point - that kind of demographic info would be very interesting to know and would be very telling indeed. I am not sure what the procedure or formula is used for conducting a poll. How do we then account for those polls that are accurate? "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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Graycap23 said: Why should gay couples be just as miserable as the rest of us.....
I remember an episode of The Cosby Show, where Claire was on a political discussion panel with two older white men, and when she got the last word about the Depression (and "how it affected the blacks"), she replied, short and sweet, "we learned that misery does not love company." I think the same thing applies here. Those that oppose same-sex marriage may not be doing it just because of the issue of same-sex marriage. I think that on some level, we have to look at it from a systematic standpoint, and really ask, "does it really speak to something deeper?" Think of it this way - straight people who conform to what society and their families expect of them, and are geared from childhood (as are gay people) for getting married, raising children, being good providers, the whole bit. They don't have much time when they're young adults to really be young adults, or to let their mind develop. Deeper than that, there's always the hidden desire people wouldn't tell the truth about anyway, that says that "I'm the only one who's allowed to be miserable here." If same-sex couples were allowed to marry, there'd be either more people to relate to, which would help them remember that they're not alone in their frustrations about what they didn't bargain for in marriage. But alas, many just don't want to be able to relate - they want to be "special for being miserable." To be continued... | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Sure. If you have 900 people who all watch the same programs and all live in metropolitan cities, and may have been targeted for polling because of said program and residences...I wouldn't call that random. I would call that selective. That would be a good point -in general- but doesn't seem applicable here given that it was a RANDOM SAMPLE of, and I quote, "adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone April 22-26, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from RDD samples of both standard land-lines and cell phones". So they weren't "targeted"... A werewolf, a vampire, and a ghost share a house together.. in Bristol! http://being-human.tv
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DiminutiveRocker said: DesireeNevermind said: Sure. If you have 900 people who all watch the same programs and all live in metropolitan cities, and may have been targeted for polling because of said program and residences...I wouldn't call that random. I would call that selective. I would too, actually. Are you assuming or do you know that people who were polled all live in metropolitan areas and watch CBS and read the NYT? You make a valid point - that kind of demographic info would be very interesting to know and would be very telling indeed. I am not sure what the procedure or formula is used for conducting a poll. How do we then account for those polls that are accurate? NYT,, not certain of CBS but I think they might be owned by the same group/person, had been accused in the past of slanting the polls as well as reporting stories that were not fully accurate. So I'm rather skeptical of any poll on a court or social issue that doesn't seem to jive with whats actually happening.
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DesireeNevermind said: DiminutiveRocker said: I would too, actually. Are you assuming or do you know that people who were polled all live in metropolitan areas and watch CBS and read the NYT? You make a valid point - that kind of demographic info would be very interesting to know and would be very telling indeed. I am not sure what the procedure or formula is used for conducting a poll. How do we then account for those polls that are accurate? NYT,, not certain of CBS but I think they might be owned by the same group/person, had been accused in the past of slanting the polls as well as reporting stories that were not fully accurate. So I'm rather skeptical of any poll on a court or social issue that doesn't seem to jive with whats actually happening. accused by whom? ann coulter? "passing strange"... experience the real
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cborgman said: DesireeNevermind said: NYT,, not certain of CBS but I think they might be owned by the same group/person, had been accused in the past of slanting the polls as well as reporting stories that were not fully accurate. So I'm rather skeptical of any poll on a court or social issue that doesn't seem to jive with whats actually happening. accused by whom? ann coulter? I think old annie has used the NYT for source material in some of her rags which makes them even more suspect.
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DesireeNevermind said: cborgman said: accused by whom? ann coulter? I think old annie has used the NYT for source material in some of her rags which makes them even more suspect.if she has sourced them as credible, she's an incredible moron, because she took a huge amount of heat for saying she wished the okalahoma city bombings had been on the NYT building, and has gone after the NYT numerous times, repeatedly accusing them of treason among other things. . [Edited 4/30/09 9:24am] "passing strange"... experience the real
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cborgman said: DesireeNevermind said: I think old annie has used the NYT for source material in some of her rags which makes them even more suspect.if she has sourced them as credible, she's an incredible moron, because she took a huge amount of heat for saying she wished the 9/11 attacks had been on the NYT building. I remember that...she also accused a group of 911 widows of enjoying their husbands deaths and getting rich off it. eh fuck her and the dead horse she rode in on.
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