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Pope rejects condom use in Africa

Pope Benedict XVI has said that handing out condoms is not the answer in the fight against HIV/Aids, as he makes his first visit to Africa as pontiff.

Speaking en route to Cameroon, he said distribution of condoms "increases the problem". The Vatican urges abstinence.

The Pope will also visit Angola on his week-long trip, where thousands are expected to attend open-air masses.

According to Vatican figures, the number of Catholics in Africa has been rising steadily in recent years.

Baptised Catholics made up 17% of the African population in 2006, compared with 12% in 1978, the Vatican says.

Pope Benedict said on the eve of his trip that he wanted to wrap his arms
around the entire continent, with "its painful wounds, its enormous potential and hopes".

Speaking to reporters on his way to Cameroon's capital, Yaounde, the Pope said HIV/Aids was "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which can even increase the problem".

The solution lies in a "spiritual and human awakening" and "friendship for those who suffer", the AFP news agency quotes him as saying.

While in Africa, the pontiff is expected to talk to young people about the Aids epidemic and explain to them why the Catholic Church recommends sexual abstinence as the best way to prevent the spread of the disease.

He gave a similar message to African bishops who visited the Vatican in 2005, when he told them that abstinence and fidelity, not condoms, were the means to tackle the epidemic.

The BBC's Caroline Duffield, in Cameroon, says people in Yaounde are energetically sweeping and cleaning everywhere in preparation for Pope Benedict's visit.

The Pope will stay in Yaounde until Friday, where he will meet bishops from all over Africa who will be taking part in a meeting at the Vatican later this year to discuss the Church's role in Africa.

In Angola, which is still recovering from 27 years of civil war, Pope Benedict will meet diplomats posted in Luanda and is expected to urge the international community not to abandon Africa.

The pontiff is also due to hold private talks with political leaders in the two countries, both of which have been accused of corruption and squandering revenues from natural resources.

Speaking to pilgrims in St Peter's Square before setting out on his journey, the Pope said he wanted to reach out to the victims of hunger, disease, injustice, fratricidal conflicts and the violence afflicting adults and children alike in most parts of Africa.

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Reply #1 posted 03/17/09 8:54am

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More idiotic ramblings from the man in the dress and funny hat..

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

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Reply #2 posted 03/17/09 8:58am

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Sexual abstinence???? That won't work not in Africa with all it's customs and beliefs.

What do a bunch of old men (most of them are) know about sex??? Who wants to be a priest when you cannot have sex??

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Reply #3 posted 03/17/09 8:59am

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absolutely amazing.

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Reply #4 posted 03/17/09 9:01am

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holy crap... we both posted at exactly 8:52! (org time)

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Reply #5 posted 03/17/09 9:03am

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And to copy from Cborgs guardain piece, he added:

"It is of great concern that the fabric of African life, its very source of hope and stability, is threatened by divorce, abortion, prostitution, human trafficking and a contraception mentality," he added.


How the F**K can you lump in divorce, abortion and contraception as on a par with prostitution and human trafficking? Just shows how out of touch they are with the morals of the average person.

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Reply #6 posted 03/17/09 9:04am

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cborgman said:

holy crap... we both posted at exactly 8:52! (org time)

birds of a feather... giggle
[Edited 3/17/09 9:03am]


My "pope alert" tool bar must be the same as yours! lol
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Reply #7 posted 03/17/09 9:05am

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What is his real agenda?

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razor said:

And to copy from Cborgs guardain piece, he added:

"It is of great concern that the fabric of African life, its very source of hope and stability, is threatened by divorce, abortion, prostitution, human trafficking and a contraception mentality," he added.


How the F**K can you lump in divorce, abortion and contraception as on a par with prostitution and human trafficking? Just shows how out of touch they are with the morals of the average person.


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Graycap23 said:

What is his real agenda?


add more followers and let those that don't die?

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cborgman said:

holy crap... we both posted at exactly 8:52! (org time)

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[Edited 3/17/09 9:03am]


lol I noticed that too

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cborgman said:

Graycap23 said:

What is his real agenda?


add more followers and let those that don't die?


The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.

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luv4u said:

cborgman said:



add more followers and let those that don't die?


The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.

i might be way off base, but i have always believed that is what the rejection of contraception in the church stems from... building the numbers.

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Reply #13 posted 03/17/09 9:20am

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luv4u said:

cborgman said:



add more followers and let those that don't die?


The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.


The agenda seems to be gaining converts and adding new members through as much unprotected sex as possible. Apparently this pope is just as evil as the last one and feels the ends justify the means. It seems the Muslims and the Catholics are in a heated competition to see who can rape the continent more all in the name of adding to their numbers.

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Efan said:

luv4u said:



The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.


The agenda seems to be gaining converts and adding new members through as much unprotected sex as possible. Apparently this pope is just as evil as the last one and feels the ends justify the means. It seems the Muslims and the Catholics are in a heated competition to see who can rape the continent more all in the name of adding to their numbers.


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assimulate or die.

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Reply #15 posted 03/17/09 9:23am

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cborgman said:

Efan said:



The agenda seems to be gaining converts and adding new members through as much unprotected sex as possible. Apparently this pope is just as evil as the last one and feels the ends justify the means. It seems the Muslims and the Catholics are in a heated competition to see who can rape the continent more all in the name of adding to their numbers.


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assimulate or die.

They don't care if u assimulate as long as u pay taxes.

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Reply #16 posted 03/17/09 9:29am

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cborgman said:

Efan said:



The agenda seems to be gaining converts and adding new members through as much unprotected sex as possible. Apparently this pope is just as evil as the last one and feels the ends justify the means. It seems the Muslims and the Catholics are in a heated competition to see who can rape the continent more all in the name of adding to their numbers.


religion... the original borg.

assimulate or die.


But, mercifully, resistance isn't futile.

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Reply #17 posted 03/17/09 9:42am

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This man is so clued out. I can't believe he would say something like this, but on the otherhand, it shouldn't surprise me coming from him. It's scary that so many people around world hang on his every word. It makes me shudder! neutral

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absolutely amazing.

disbelief


another reminder of no matter how advanced we think we are there is still outdated cave mentality floating around

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Reply #19 posted 03/17/09 10:09am

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UNBELIEVABLE disbelief

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Reply #20 posted 03/17/09 10:14am

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The Pope can go to hell. At the time Sinead O'Connor tore up the picture of the Pope on SNL, I was horrified. Now I want to tear up a picture of the pope lol
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Reply #21 posted 03/17/09 10:21am

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Wow, a lot of people here sound shocked and surprised!

What did you expect the Pope to say?? The pope has to tow the line.

We all know if you don't have sex you won't get sexually transmitted diseases.

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squirrelscientist said:

Wow, a lot of people here sound shocked and surprised!

What did you expect the Pope to say?? The pope has to tow the line.

We all know if you don't have sex you won't get sexually transmitted diseases.

You also won't breed. Isn't that something the catholic church believes in? Again, he can go to hell.

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squirrelscientist said:

Wow, a lot of people here sound shocked and surprised!

What did you expect the Pope to say?? The pope has to tow the line.

We all know if you don't have sex you won't get sexually transmitted diseases.


hiv is not only a STD.

and abstinence has it's place in sexual education, but promoting it as the only way and rallying against condom use is just... idiotic and dangerous, to say the least.

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Reply #24 posted 03/17/09 10:26am

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Graycap23 said:

What is his real agenda?

Like ALL religion, it is about CONTROL. The Pope is a muthafuckin' fool on this issue.

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Reply #25 posted 03/17/09 10:27am

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cborgman said:

squirrelscientist said:

Wow, a lot of people here sound shocked and surprised!

What did you expect the Pope to say?? The pope has to tow the line.

We all know if you don't have sex you won't get sexually transmitted diseases.


hiv is not only a STD.

and abstinence has it's place in sexual education, but promoting it as the only way and rallying against condom use is just... idiotic and dangerous, to say the least.


Especially in places where you know the men aren't going to be abstinent.

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Reply #26 posted 03/17/09 10:32am

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welll he doesn't believe in birht control anyway does he?? disbelief

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luv4u said:

cborgman said:



add more followers and let those that don't die?


The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.

3rd world and Latin American attendance is high and/or growing, and that was odd makers are stating the next pope will be African or from Latin America. JP2 stated no condoms in Africa either. However there are Orders of Religious Sisters in Africa that do give out condoms.

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Reply #28 posted 03/17/09 10:38am

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cborgman said:

luv4u said:



The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.

i might be way off base, but i have always believed that is what the rejection of contraception in the church stems from... building the numbers.

be fruitful and multiply is phrase from the bible that Church uses as the command against birth control

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ehuffnsd said:

luv4u said:



The catholic church attendances are low. Not many people go to Mass these days. All they want is converts to the faith.

3rd world and Latin American attendance is high and/or growing, and that was odd makers are stating the next pope will be African or from Latin America. JP2 stated no condoms in Africa either. However there are Orders of Religious Sisters in Africa that do give out condoms.

and god bless them for it.

i can respect traditions of dogma, but... we have to be realistic. this is a HUGE epidemic that is rising quickly again in part because of the 1500- 3000 year old dogma surrounding a 30 year old crisis.

religion has it's place, but we can't let it blind us to reality.


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