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Thread started 01/13/09 1:15pm

June7

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Is Hatred Taught?


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This picture makes me sad for what's going on, yet happy that just maybe there is hope for the future.

She was more like a beauty queen,
from a movie scene.
I said, "Don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one
who will dance on the floor in the round?"

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Reply #1 posted 01/13/09 1:15pm

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100% yes.

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Reply #2 posted 01/13/09 1:23pm

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Wow. That picture makes me want to cry a little bit.

One of the things I've always loved about literature is its ability to break the facade of essential differences between various groups. By illustrating the common recurring themes of the human condition, literature transcends all the ideological and cultural differences perpetually dividing us. It makes the timeless visible.

One of the most effective methods of securing the loyalty of a group of people is to inculcate them with hatred for a projected enemy. In other words, hatred is instrumental.

In that sense, it is really just a perverse expression of love (for one's own people).

The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #3 posted 01/13/09 1:25pm

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Yes

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Reply #4 posted 01/13/09 1:28pm

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Yes. Its an outlet for anger.

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Reply #5 posted 01/13/09 1:39pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Wow. That picture makes me want to cry a little bit.

One of the things I've always loved about literature is its ability to break the facade of essential differences between various groups. By illustrating the common recurring themes of the human condition, literature transcends all the ideological and cultural differences perpetually dividing us. It makes the timeless visible.

One of the most effective methods of securing the loyalty of a group of people is to inculcate them with hatred for a projected enemy. In other words, hatred is instrumental.
In that sense, it is really just a perverse expression of love (for one's own people).


nod as with anything, the question should be - who profits?

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Reply #6 posted 01/13/09 2:19pm

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i think the human animal is programmed to have hatred as a surival skill and it's early life is what determines how it is used.

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Reply #7 posted 01/13/09 2:46pm

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the capacity for hatred could arguably be in-born, but the applications and projections of hatred are almost certainly taught.

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Reply #8 posted 01/13/09 2:51pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

PurpleKnight said:

Wow. That picture makes me want to cry a little bit.

One of the things I've always loved about literature is its ability to break the facade of essential differences between various groups. By illustrating the common recurring themes of the human condition, literature transcends all the ideological and cultural differences perpetually dividing us. It makes the timeless visible.

One of the most effective methods of securing the loyalty of a group of people is to inculcate them with hatred for a projected enemy. In other words, hatred is instrumental.
In that sense, it is really just a perverse expression of love (for one's own people).


nod as with anything, the question should be - who profits?


nod Exactly. In a way, everything always boils down to economics. It's so sad.

The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #9 posted 01/13/09 4:16pm

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For me, it's not so much the issue of whether or not it's taught, but whether or not the person being taught to hate actually believes it, and if that is the case, how long it takes for them to unlearn. I'm thinking of a scene in Coming Of Age In Mississippi - little Essie May (Anne Moody) and her white friends (with parents) all show up to the same movie house one time, and Anne goes to sit with them, but Essie's mother hanks her away and chastises her for not knowing her place with white people. to see the difference between herself and the white children only after mother points them out to her (presumably as a way to teach Anne to protect herself). While not necessarily about her hatred of whites (that comes later in the book), but it is about how children form impressions about the world.

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Reply #10 posted 01/13/09 5:24pm

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Graycap23 said:

100% yes.

Agreed.

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Reply #11 posted 01/13/09 5:27pm

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Turn on Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, Ann Coutler, Michelle Malkin, Ken Levine, or Michael Savage if for some reason you are tempted to think hate is not taught.

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Reply #12 posted 01/13/09 5:32pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Turn on Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, Ann Coutler, Michelle Malkin, Ken Levine, or Michael Savage if for some reason you are tempted to think hate is not taught.

.....and that is mainstream hate.

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Reply #13 posted 01/13/09 5:42pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Turn on Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, Ann Coutler, Michelle Malkin, Ken Levine, or Michael Savage if for some reason you are tempted to think hate is not taught.

Ewww. barf to all of the above!

She was more like a beauty queen,
from a movie scene.
I said, "Don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one
who will dance on the floor in the round?"

Rest in Peace Michael Jackson
1958 - 2009
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Reply #14 posted 01/13/09 6:12pm

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A better word would be CONDITIONED

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Reply #15 posted 01/13/09 7:16pm

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Absolutely. without a doubt. When you watch small children from different races play together from various racial/ethnic backgrounds, let's say for example, around 5 - 7 years old, race doesn't seem to stop them from playing together. It is the racist language and assumptions about other races that comes from the mouths of their parents/guardians within the environment they live and also what they are exposed to. Especially if they live in an environment where they only live around people that reflect their race/culture. .

I believe I was around 8 years old when I had my first encounter with racist behavior from people of another race, and it puzzled me as a child why the attitudes/behavior were so hateful, as I continued to experience it through my adult life. I refused to allow it from detering me from reaching my goals as it continued, and just handle each situation like as a separate incident. I believe it's what people teach their kids at home and the environment they live in, is what they will display in public.


An example is the case of the hispanic male that was murdered by about 4 or 5 teenagers. Now the justice department is finally stepping in, because there have been so many crimes against hispanics and hispanic immigrants in the Long Island areas of New York (Nassau/Suffolk counties) by youth. Question is, how did they learn this behavior and who did they learn it from? So yes, in my opinion, hatred whether it's racial or religious is taught.
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Reply #16 posted 01/13/09 8:36pm

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It's not that we hate that i have any issue. it's what we hate.

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Reply #17 posted 01/13/09 9:18pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

It's not that we hate that i have any issue. it's what we hate.


Can you elaborate? Can you give an example of "good" or acceptable hatred?

The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #18 posted 01/14/09 5:05am

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Ok... I think it is taught.

This is a story.. We adopted a little puppy, and he was so scared and frightened he would nip at us.. tried to bite us!

I took him to a vet to see if there was something physically wrong with him or.. maybe he was overly aggressive. The vet said, "No, he is just very scared." And he advised us rather than to pop the doggie on the nose, he said it was better when he nipped to just walk away from him. He also suggested to give him lots of attention when he was NOT nipping at us, petting him.. physical contact so he would get used to people. Then he said, to socialize him, making sure we take him out to be around other dogs and people.

Well, over time, he does not bite us anymore and he is much more confident! He has turned around so much in just a few months. Now.. where this ties in is that I wonder sometimes if we had hit the doggie or responded aggressively, then I wonder if the puppy would have turned mean? It was all in our hands, really. And the vet gave us some good advice we followed. But what if we did not know any better, and our actions would have increased the problem?

So.. I am thinking that maybe with people, some start with fear due to circumstances beyond their control--like this doggie. Then if these people are not handled in the most positive way, this fear turns to anger, then hate?

It is just a theory.
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Reply #19 posted 01/14/09 5:15am

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Not necessarily.

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Reply #20 posted 01/14/09 5:19am

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lascantas said:

Ok... I think it is taught.

This is a story.. We adopted a little puppy, and he was so scared and frightened he would nip at us.. tried to bite us!

I took him to a vet to see if there was something physically wrong with him or.. maybe he was overly aggressive. The vet said, "No, he is just very scared." And he advised us rather than to pop the doggie on the nose, he said it was better when he nipped to just walk away from him. He also suggested to give him lots of attention when he was NOT nipping at us, petting him.. physical contact so he would get used to people. Then he said, to socialize him, making sure we take him out to be around other dogs and people.

Well, over time, he does not bite us anymore and he is much more confident! He has turned around so much in just a few months. Now.. where this ties in is that I wonder sometimes if we had hit the doggie or responded aggressively, then I wonder if the puppy would have turned mean? It was all in our hands, really. And the vet gave us some good advice we followed. But what if we did not know any better, and our actions would have increased the problem?

So.. I am thinking that maybe with people, some start with fear due to circumstances beyond their control--like this doggie. Then if these people are not handled in the most positive way, this fear turns to anger, then hate?

It is just a theory.
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The vet gave you great advice and you were good to follow it and stick with it.
Most humans get impatient and either give the pet up or abuse the pet and make it mean.
I think in many cases hatred is taught. Most children learn it from their parents. That is not to say that they cannot change once they are old enough to see right and wrong for themselves.

I think some times it goes along with fear, some humans fear things that are outside of their box of beliefs so they strart to fear that thing, then they decide to hate it rather than trying to understand it.
There are exceptions of coarse.
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Reply #21 posted 01/14/09 7:14pm

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lascantas said:

Ok... I think it is taught.

This is a story.. We adopted a little puppy, and he was so scared and frightened he would nip at us.. tried to bite us!

I took him to a vet to see if there was something physically wrong with him or.. maybe he was overly aggressive. The vet said, "No, he is just very scared." And he advised us rather than to pop the doggie on the nose, he said it was better when he nipped to just walk away from him. He also suggested to give him lots of attention when he was NOT nipping at us, petting him.. physical contact so he would get used to people. Then he said, to socialize him, making sure we take him out to be around other dogs and people.

Well, over time, he does not bite us anymore and he is much more confident! He has turned around so much in just a few months. Now.. where this ties in is that I wonder sometimes if we had hit the doggie or responded aggressively, then I wonder if the puppy would have turned mean? It was all in our hands, really. And the vet gave us some good advice we followed. But what if we did not know any better, and our actions would have increased the problem?

So.. I am thinking that maybe with people, some start with fear due to circumstances beyond their control--like this doggie. Then if these people are not handled in the most positive way, this fear turns to anger, then hate?

It is just a theory.
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This is such a good analogy. The hatred part is taught but the step before it, fear, is not. I know when I was little I was scared of non-white people, including children. Which I think is normal, as it's natural that people fear things that are different to what they're used to. Now my parents could have turned that into hatred if they had certain beliefs, but they didn't and the fear was absolved with a little positive encouragement. So I guess I was taught to love

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Reply #22 posted 01/15/09 12:48am

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i think the human animal is programmed to have hatred as a surival skill and it's early life is what determines how it is used.


I believe you're right, altho hatred in itself is not a survival skill I think. You do not need it to survive. What humans do need to survive is the safety of numbers, we're a social animal, and "hatred" is just one of the tools humans use to make groups work.
On an individual level there can be fear and anger (emotions), on the group level this can be institutionalized (it now becomes "rational") and be labelled hate.
Group leaders, as well as individuals in the group, now need this hate to facilitate a disconnect between an opponent and his humanity; it's a hell of a lot easier to kill someone if you no longer think of them as humans.

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Reply #23 posted 01/15/09 6:15am

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Graycap23 said:

100% yes.


Not all hatred is taught. Some times hatred is the end result of being victimized. Africans, Asians, Native Americans hate/d Europeans for centuries not because they were taught to do so, but because of what they endured (exploitation, rape, pillage, plunder and murder).

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Reply #24 posted 01/15/09 6:22am

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dseann said:

Graycap23 said:

100% yes.


Not all hatred is taught. Some times hatred is the end result of being victimized. Africans, Asians, Native Americans hate/d Europeans for centuries not because they were taught to do so, but because of what they endured (exploitation, rape, pillage, plunder and murder).

.....and rightfully so, if that is the route the victim wants 2 take.

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Reply #25 posted 01/15/09 6:26am

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NO!, no more than love is taught. Human beings can compass both feelings. It's neither nature or nurture that determines hate, but a mixture/combo of both. We have the capacity to hate, so we can, how that hatred comes to pass, is usually part of conditioning, but not always.

I believe part of our development is overcoming this hatred, I believe we have to learn not to hate

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Graycap23 said:

dseann said:



Not all hatred is taught. Some times hatred is the end result of being victimized. Africans, Asians, Native Americans hate/d Europeans for centuries not because they were taught to do so, but because of what they endured (exploitation, rape, pillage, plunder and murder).

.....and rightfully so, if that is the route the victim wants 2 take.


Then on the other hand there are heterosexual males who hate homosexual males because they happen to be insecure about their own sexuality and want to kill/eliminate any temptation. lol

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dseann said:

Graycap23 said:


.....and rightfully so, if that is the route the victim wants 2 take.


Then on the other hand there are heterosexual males who hate homosexual males because they happen to be insecure about their own sexuality and want to kill/eliminate any temptation. lol

Can't relate.

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Reply #28 posted 01/15/09 6:35am

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Graycap23 said:

dseann said:



Then on the other hand there are heterosexual males who hate homosexual males because they happen to be insecure about their own sexuality and want to kill/eliminate any temptation. lol

Can't relate.


lol Me thinks those men are not really "Hetero"

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lilgish said:

Graycap23 said:


Can't relate.


lol Me thinks those men are not really "Hetero"

lol.....

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