Do Atheists hate gays?

Just a question

I was speaking with an Atheist about Prop 8 and he said he voted yes on 8 because he felt something about the natural selection of male and female making a child and something like naturally tow men and two women can't do that...it basically came down to science

It kind of went over my head, but I was wondering if anyone knows what Atheists views are on gays and gay marriage? Any Atheists in the house?

I'm asking because I see the "gay marriage issue" being strictly a religious one, but some guy on the radio was saying it is wrong to think all people who voted yes on 8 hate gays. I don't get

Kinda asking for a blanket statement aren't you?

I just don't have the time to poll 100,000 atheists and get you a good answer.

Mars23 said:

LiquidGold said:

I hate to say it, but I would say the guy you heard on the radio may actually be right. Neither Obama nor Biden are for same-sex marriage, but would you necessarily say they hate gay people?

LiquidGold said:

Just a question

I was speaking with an Atheist about Prop 8 and he said he voted yes on 8 because he felt something about the natural selection of male and female making a child and something like naturally tow men and two women can't do that...it basically came down to science

It kind of went over my head, but I was wondering if anyone knows what Atheists views are on gays and gay marriage? Any Atheists in the house?

I'm asking because I see the "gay marriage issue" being strictly a religious one, but some guy on the radio was saying it is wrong to think all people who voted yes on 8 hate gays. I don't get

eaglebear4839 said:

I hate to say it, but I would say the guy you heard on the radio may actually be right. Neither Obama nor Biden are for same-sex marriage, but would you necessarily say they hate gay people?

LiquidGold said:

Just a question

I was speaking with an Atheist about Prop 8 and he said he voted yes on 8 because he felt something about the natural selection of male and female making a child and something like naturally tow men and two women can't do that...it basically came down to science

It kind of went over my head, but I was wondering if anyone knows what Atheists views are on gays and gay marriage? Any Atheists in the house?

I'm asking because I see the "gay marriage issue" being strictly a religious one, but some guy on the radio was saying it is wrong to think all people who voted yes on 8 hate gays. I don't get

LiquidGold said:

esa said:

I've nothing against gay men as long as they don't ram it down my throat.

Boom boom.

But seriously, as an agnostic, I've no issues with gay folks, but I do hate the French.

^^
I have an "agnostic" --more an undeclared atheist who feels the same way. He does not support ss marriage. He is French, by the way!

But you know.. I just do not think it should matter what people "believe." SS couples should have the opportunities for the same "coverage" under the law. Now.. if one wants to call it civil unions.. well I guess. But I still do not understand why ss couples cannot have a "civil marriage," you know? If there is true separation of church and state, why not?
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I'm an atheist. I love gays. Give them equal rights NOW, I say!

I wouldn't be surprised if some fundamentalist christian trotted that person out so they could say - see? It's not just us who are intolerant assholes!

That said, I would never think all people who call themselves christians share the exact same belief about gays (and they don't), so it's silly to think all atheists would.

CarrieMpls said:

Some might and some might not

The ones I know, do not hate gays

I can't think of any good reason atheism should link to anti-homosexual thought, moreso the contrary if anything.

More than likely this person picked up the seed of bigotry elsewhere because atheists aren't totally immune to the religious/post-religious culture around them.

Dsoul said:

lascantas said:

Dsoul said:

I can't think of any good reason atheism should link to anti-homosexual thought, moreso the contrary if anything.

More than likely this person picked up the seed of bigotry elsewhere because atheists aren't totally immune to the religious/post-religious culture around them.

Well I have already participated in a lengthy discussion about this a long time ago. In my opinion, it is a mistake to blame all anti-gay sentiment on religion.

Some people think being gay go goes against nature. Some people think being "married" is about procreation. I think there are a lot of reasons collectively and individually some might not accept gays. I do not think everything has to do with religion. Unfortunately, the religious right fans the flames of controversy or maybe it is more it is leading the way, so people use religion as a justification for their beliefs.

It's unfortunate the religious right does not see it is being used by some who just have this fundamental phobia or whatever. So now, all of us who are religious are suffering the consequences. It makes me so mad.

Dsoul said:

lascantas said:

Well I have already participated in a lengthy discussion about this a long time ago. In my opinion, it is a mistake to blame all anti-gay sentiment on religion.

Some people think being gay go goes against nature. Some people think being "married" is about procreation. I think there are a lot of reasons collectively and individually some might not accept gays. I do not think everything has to do with religion. Unfortunately, the religious right fans the flames of controversy or maybe it is more it is leading the way, so people use religion as a justification for their beliefs.

It's unfortunate the religious right does not see it is being used by some who just have this fundamental phobia or whatever. So now, all of us who are religious are suffering the consequences. It makes me so mad.

I disagree. Very few people have even basic understanding of true nature, the big bang, evolution, darwinian theory etc. Thus what "nature" is described as is tinted through a religious lens. More often than not having a reference to "god made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve". That fairytale does not inform "nature".

Hell, what true nature is is hormones, brain associations etc all of which factor in with sexual preferences. A sexdrive is natural and thus sexuality is often a fluid state depending on who or what is available. See gay animals in zoos or men who lived as "straight" checking other men out soon as they get a lengthy jail term.

Again marriage is an extremely conservative religious institution. Which makes it quite ironic that homosexuals want in on it in many ways. I think you overstate the ability to live freely of religious values. I know I shout "jesus", "damn" or "god" when I stub my toe and have a 1000 hymns and bible lines memorised.

The hardcore religious past is drummed into all of us however much we like to see ourselves as being secularised and is the true root of homophobia even amongst the seemingly non devout.

Some ppl don't understand how strong the word "hate" really is. It's jus as strong as the word "love". Look up the definition for the word "hate" (read some more) and u'll understand how one can disagree with a particular choice in someone's life yet still love the person. Some ppl don't get that...can't see how not...but it's clear as day to me. Put aside the homosexual thing and apply it to other aspects of life, then it'll be abit clearer.

JayJai said:

LiquidGold said:

lascantas said:

lascantas said:

JayJai said:

Some ppl don't understand how strong the word "hate" really is. It's jus as strong as the word "love". Look up the definition for the word "hate" (read some more) and u'll understand how one can disagree with a particular choice in someone's life yet still love the person. Some ppl don't get that...can't see how not...but it's clear as day to me. Put aside the homosexual thing and apply it to other aspects of life, then it'll be abit clearer.

I agree with you about "hate."

But are you saying homosexuality is a choice?

See, I do not think it is a choice.

And I will ask another question because this is what I have observed. Well.. getting back to my short little comment on "marriage." You know.. I think getting married for "love" something.. well.. I do not know how to say this..

But for sure, ss couples are wanting to get married for "love," you know? Well at least one of the people involved want to get married for love, you know? It is not a marriage by arrangement in other words. You know families do not get together and "arrange" a ss marriage for financial reasons, power, or lineage, for example.

See sometimes I wonder if some who are against ss marriage for whatever reason do not believe a ss couple can "love" each other? This is what I have observed--or for me, this is the implication. It is like.. some put it all down to man and woman or maybe the procreation issue, but what about love.. the kind of love that makes a person want to be with another person to commit to another person for the rest of his/her life?


For those not accepting of homosexuality, do you not think ss couples are capable of this type of love?

For me, because I am very romantic.. this type of love trumps procreation! To me, this is the kind of love God was talking about, so this is why I am confident in saying.. the other obstacles.. I leave to God to figure out.. but this type of love is pure, you know? And I would think God would look down from Heaven and smile. (Of course, I am talking figuratively here. I have not seen God smile.. but I have felt it..)

Some do. It's a testament as to how ingrained religious indoctrination is on the subject. Even atheists are prone to "moral" brainwashing.

eaglebear4839 said:

I hate to say it, but I would say the guy you heard on the radio may actually be right. Neither Obama nor Biden are for same-sex marriage, but would you necessarily say they hate gay people?

LiquidGold said:

Just a question

I was speaking with an Atheist about Prop 8 and he said he voted yes on 8 because he felt something about the natural selection of male and female making a child and something like naturally tow men and two women can't do that...it basically came down to science

It kind of went over my head, but I was wondering if anyone knows what Atheists views are on gays and gay marriage? Any Atheists in the house?

I'm asking because I see the "gay marriage issue" being strictly a religious one, but some guy on the radio was saying it is wrong to think all people who voted yes on 8 hate gays. I don't get

JayJai said:

lascantas said:

I agree with you about "hate."

But are you saying homosexuality is a choice?

See, I do not think it is a choice.

And I will ask another question because this is what I have observed. Well.. getting back to my short little comment on "marriage." You know.. I think getting married for "love" something.. well.. I do not know how to say this..

But for sure, ss couples are wanting to get married for "love," you know? Well at least one of the people involved want to get married for love, you know? It is not a marriage by arrangement in other words. You know families do not get together and "arrange" a ss marriage for financial reasons, power, or lineage, for example.

See sometimes I wonder if some who are against ss marriage for whatever reason do not believe a ss couple can "love" each other? This is what I have observed--or for me, this is the implication. It is like.. some put it all down to man and woman or maybe the procreation issue, but what about love.. the kind of love that makes a person want to be with another person to commit to another person for the rest of his/her life?


For those not accepting of homosexuality, do you not think ss couples are capable of this type of love?

For me, because I am very romantic.. this type of love trumps procreation! To me, this is the kind of love God was talking about, so this is why I am confident in saying.. the other obstacles.. I leave to God to figure out.. but this type of love is pure, you know? And I would think God would look down from Heaven and smile. (Of course, I am talking figuratively here. I have not seen God smile.. but I have felt it..)

I wasn't focusin on homosexuality. I was weighin down on the word "hate".

"Religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality"-Jon Stewart

“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
-Calvin & Hobbes

rnljs said:

rnljs said:

lascantas said:

“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.”
-Calvin & Hobbes