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What is Kabbalah? Moving away from politics for a moment, I was wondering if anyone here followed "Kabbalah"?
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a form of religious mysticism practiced by a sect of jewish people, if i remember correctly.  | |
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XxAxX said: a form of religious mysticism practiced by a sect of jewish people, if i remember correctly.
[Edited 10/17/08 6:31am] Do you follow it? I looked it up, but I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with it? Is it accepted by mainstream Judaism. There are "mystic" forms of Catholicism, too. Well on second thought, I do not know if it is considered "mystic," but is Kabbalah like Santeria: www.bbc.co.uk/religion/re.../santeria/ Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah? | |
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I wasn't looking for Kabbalah but ran into a lot of information on it when I was reading about the Order of the Golden Dawn and tarot cards. It is used by Wiccans, Christians, and Jewish people as well as by people who don't profess any particular faith. I don't know much about Santaria so can't answer that.
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shellyevon said: I wasn't looking for Kabbalah but ran into a lot of information on it when I was reading about the Order of the Golden Dawn and tarot cards. It is used by Wiccans, Christians, and Jewish people as well as by people who don't profess any particular faith. I don't know much about Santaria so can't answer that.
You can just google it and go from there but you're better off going to a reliable source and learning about it. It's a fascinating subject. I have to look-up a lot of stuff all the time! 
I thought maybe somebody here would like to discuss it, but I guess I just go back to looking it up! A lot of people fear "santeria," but is not as scary as some think. Is more a mixture of the Catholic and sort of tribal religion. Some would call it "voodoo," but.. is not evil more primative than evil or this is my understanding. The movies have really given "santeria" a bad name.. and then there are those who have sort of gone crazy with it. Thanks for the info. I was just wondering why some many celebrities really like Kabbalah, but I guess I go back to doing my own research!
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lascantas said: Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah?
All religious traditions have their corresponding mystical sects. In the Western religions, however (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), they are generally shunned by the orthodoxy. Initiates of "The Mystery" are those who know God by direct experience, rather that through theoretical knowledge and belief. This initiation comes in conjunction with a lifetime commited to prayer, study, and meditation. "The doctrine of these 'knowers of the real' constitutes the central core of the three great historical religion-philosophies of Asia - Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Islam, it appears in a sectarian form as the teaching of the Sufis. In Judaism, it is found chiefly as the Holy Kabala - a corpus of teaching contained in an early mediaeval work called the Zohar, descending, perhaps, from Philo Alexandraeus. In the traditions of Greece, it appears (somewhat diluted and confused with other elements) in a line of doctrine which runs from the Orphic mysteries, through Plato, to the Neo-Platonists of Alexandria - in particular Plontinus, Proclus, and the Christian Clement. In Christianity itself, the Areopagite in the 6th century, through John Scotus Erigina, St. Albert the Great, Meister Eckhart, and John of Ruysbroech, to Nicolas of Cusa in the 15th century. In the Near East and the West (that is to say, in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the doctrine has almost always been 'at odds' with an official orthodoxy bitterly opposed to its universalism, because of an immature compulsion to believe in the exclusive perfection of one's own 'party-religion'." ~ Alan Watts, Myth And Ritual in Christianity "I don't like that man; I must get to know him better." | |
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esa said: lascantas said: Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah?
All religious traditions have their corresponding mystical sects. In the Western religions, however (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), they are generally shunned by the orthodoxy. Initiates of "The Mystery" are those who know God by direct experience, rather that through theoretical knowledge and belief. This initiation comes in conjunction with a lifetime commited to prayer, study, and meditation. "The doctrine of these 'knowers of the real' constitutes the central core of the three great historical religion-philosophies of Asia - Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Islam, it appears in a sectarian form as the teaching of the Sufis. In Judaism, it is found chiefly as the Holy Kabala - a corpus of teaching contained in an early mediaeval work called the Zohar, descending, perhaps, from Philo Alexandraeus. In the traditions of Greece, it appears (somewhat diluted and confused with other elements) in a line of doctrine which runs from the Orphic mysteries, through Plato, to the Neo-Platonists of Alexandria - in particular Plontinus, Proclus, and the Christian Clement. In Christianity itself, the Areopagite in the 6th century, through John Scotus Erigina, St. Albert the Great, Meister Eckhart, and John of Ruysbroech, to Nicolas of Cusa in the 15th century. In the Near East and the West (that is to say, in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the doctrine has almost always been 'at odds' with an official orthodoxy bitterly opposed to its universalism, because of an immature compulsion to believe in the exclusive perfection of one's own 'party-religion'." ~ Alan Watts, Myth And Ritual in Christianity  Welcome to the New World Odor and
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esa said: lascantas said: Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah?
All religious traditions have their corresponding mystical sects. In the Western religions, however (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), they are generally shunned by the orthodoxy. Initiates of "The Mystery" are those who know God by direct experience, rather that through theoretical knowledge and belief. This initiation comes in conjunction with a lifetime commited to prayer, study, and meditation. "The doctrine of these 'knowers of the real' constitutes the central core of the three great historical religion-philosophies of Asia - Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Islam, it appears in a sectarian form as the teaching of the Sufis. In Judaism, it is found chiefly as the Holy Kabala - a corpus of teaching contained in an early mediaeval work called the Zohar, descending, perhaps, from Philo Alexandraeus. In the traditions of Greece, it appears (somewhat diluted and confused with other elements) in a line of doctrine which runs from the Orphic mysteries, through Plato, to the Neo-Platonists of Alexandria - in particular Plontinus, Proclus, and the Christian Clement. In Christianity itself, the Areopagite in the 6th century, through John Scotus Erigina, St. Albert the Great, Meister Eckhart, and John of Ruysbroech, to Nicolas of Cusa in the 15th century. In the Near East and the West (that is to say, in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the doctrine has almost always been 'at odds' with an official orthodoxy bitterly opposed to its universalism, because of an immature compulsion to believe in the exclusive perfection of one's own 'party-religion'." ~ Alan Watts, Myth And Ritual in Christianity So is like "gnosticism"? I read a few books after I read the DaVinci Code about "gnosticism" and the sacred feminine. I just remember "gnosticism" being based upon knowledge or something like that. Why is it some celebrities seem to be attracted to Kabala.. | |
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lascantas said: XxAxX said: a form of religious mysticism practiced by a sect of jewish people, if i remember correctly.
[Edited 10/17/08 6:31am] Do you follow it? I looked it up, but I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with it? Is it accepted by mainstream Judaism. There are "mystic" forms of Catholicism, too. Well on second thought, I do not know if it is considered "mystic," but is Kabbalah like Santeria: www.bbc.co.uk/religion/re.../santeria/ Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah? i have read about it in a general sense because i'm interested in various forms of divination around the world. but, i have no real in depth knowledge. | |
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lascantas said: So is like "gnosticism"? [...] I just remember "gnosticism" being based upon knowledge or something like that.
Yes, Gnosticism is one of the mystical traditions of Christianity. The word "gnosis" means "knowledge".
lascantas said: Why is it some celebrities seem to be attracted to Kabala.. Celebrities like to be trendy; they are not actually interested in attaining the state of the true mysic. Some just like to portray themselves as having "special knowledge" which others don't, or can't, have - it keeps the ego comfortably aloof from the masses.
But make no mistake - these techings have been around for thousands of years, and they will not reveal their secrets to casual or insincere students. As I said earlier, it takes a deep and genuine commitment to prayer, study, and meditation; such a commitment is no small step. "I don't like that man; I must get to know him better." | |
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esa said: lascantas said: So is like "gnosticism"? [...] I just remember "gnosticism" being based upon knowledge or something like that.
Yes, Gnosticism is one of the mystical traditions of Christianity. The word "gnosis" means "knowledge".
lascantas said: Why is it some celebrities seem to be attracted to Kabala.. Celebrities like to be trendy; they are not actually interested in attaining the state of the true mysic. Some just like to portray themselves as having "special knowledge" which others don't, or can't, have - it keeps the ego comfortably aloof from the masses.
But make no mistake - these techings have been around for thousands of years, and they will not reveal their secrets to casual or insincere students. As I said earlier, it takes a deep and genuine commitment to prayer, study, and meditation; such a commitment is no small step. esa, can you point out the similarities between the mystical teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? Also, where do the teachings among the three differ? And, how do the more orthodox teachings of each view the mystical teachings? *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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Kabbalah is jewish occult/mysticism, it is ancient and came into being around 330bc. Known also as the secret TORA or Law. The core of it is to access secret power. Kaballah was always forbidden to anyone who was not jewish, anyone not 40years old and who did not study the Talmud and Torah intensely.
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benni said: esa, can you point out the similarities between the mystical teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? Also, where do the teachings among the three differ?
The main similarity in these traditions is that they value experience over belief. Differences issue in the methods by which this experience is manifested. "There is a continual mystical stream in Judaism embodied in the various texts known collectively as Kabbalah (the 'received' tradition), such as the Zohar (the Book of Splendor or Illumination), which teach the emanation of the Godhead into the world, the experience of communion with God in transcendence of the self, and the maintenance of the cosmos through human action in Covenant with God." "Sufism sees the essence of the human being "of God, in the world" rather than "of the world, for God". It sees humans innately bound with God due to the primordial covenant of their souls witnessing to the fact of God's lordship. It is human forgetfulness of God and absorption in the material world that makes them alienated from their essence. Hence, to gain one's real self is to be in constant remembrance of God, and to detach oneself from the transitory material world. True submission (Islam) is to make one's heart - not just head - the real throne of God, where God manifests Himself both as Transcendent and Immanent. Realizing such presence of God requires one to experience the absolute love of God by dying in Him and living in Him. Sufis derived the doctrines of Fana (dying in God, or annihilation of the human self and attributes in God) and Baqa (living with God and acquiring divine attributes)." "Christian mysticism aims at the final goal of a permanent, or stable union with God. In this goal, it is similar to Judaic and Sufi mysticism as well. This union is an experience of intimacy with the Divine. Contemplation is a mystical process, the inner life of interior relationship with the Divine Lover; it is intensely personal, relational, but there is also direct, existential knowledge of God that arises out of this love. The soul or person who is granted this grace is elevated into the Divine Reality; the human is transformed in God, and on every side is saturated by Love, transfigured by the radiance of glory that emanates from the Divine Light itself. Christian mysticism, and all mysticism, is experiential; it is direct awareness and experience of the Ultimate Reality. In this sense, it is highly empirical; it is not based on belief, opinion, or speculation, but on an absolutely certain and objective reality. When this state of union becomes stabilized in a permanent relationship of love, the mystical marriage exists." ~ Sourcebook Of The World's Religions (Sound familiar?) 
benni said: And, how do the more orthodox teachings of each view the mystical teachings? thepope2the9s said: Many orthodox Jews will turn and spit if speak the word Kaballah to them, as it is considered occultic.
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esa said: lascantas said: Is there something in Christianity like Kabbalah?
All religious traditions have their corresponding mystical sects. In the Western religions, however (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), they are generally shunned by the orthodoxy. Initiates of "The Mystery" are those who know God by direct experience, rather that through theoretical knowledge and belief. This initiation comes in conjunction with a lifetime commited to prayer, study, and meditation. "The doctrine of these 'knowers of the real' constitutes the central core of the three great historical religion-philosophies of Asia - Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Islam, it appears in a sectarian form as the teaching of the Sufis. In Judaism, it is found chiefly as the Holy Kabala - a corpus of teaching contained in an early mediaeval work called the Zohar, descending, perhaps, from Philo Alexandraeus. In the traditions of Greece, it appears (somewhat diluted and confused with other elements) in a line of doctrine which runs from the Orphic mysteries, through Plato, to the Neo-Platonists of Alexandria - in particular Plontinus, Proclus, and the Christian Clement. In Christianity itself, the Areopagite in the 6th century, through John Scotus Erigina, St. Albert the Great, Meister Eckhart, and John of Ruysbroech, to Nicolas of Cusa in the 15th century. In the Near East and the West (that is to say, in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the doctrine has almost always been 'at odds' with an official orthodoxy bitterly opposed to its universalism, because of an immature compulsion to believe in the exclusive perfection of one's own 'party-religion'." ~ Alan Watts, Myth And Ritual in Christianity Catholic and Orthorodox embraces their mystic sects. many Saints were known mystics BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX CATHERINE OF SIENA JULIAN OF NORWICH TERESA OF AVILA AND JOHN OF THE CROSS to name a few it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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esa said: benni said: esa, can you point out the similarities between the mystical teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? Also, where do the teachings among the three differ?
The main similarity in these traditions is that they value experience over belief. Differences issue in the methods by which this experience is manifested. "There is a continual mystical stream in Judaism embodied in the various texts known collectively as Kabbalah (the 'received' tradition), such as the Zohar (the Book of Splendor or Illumination), which teach the emanation of the Godhead into the world, the experience of communion with God in transcendence of the self, and the maintenance of the cosmos through human action in Covenant with God." "Sufism sees the essence of the human being "of God, in the world" rather than "of the world, for God". It sees humans innately bound with God due to the primordial covenant of their souls witnessing to the fact of God's lordship. It is human forgetfulness of God and absorption in the material world that makes them alienated from their essence. Hence, to gain one's real self is to be in constant remembrance of God, and to detach oneself from the transitory material world. True submission (Islam) is to make one's heart - not just head - the real throne of God, where God manifests Himself both as Transcendent and Immanent. Realizing such presence of God requires one to experience the absolute love of God by dying in Him and living in Him. Sufis derived the doctrines of Fana (dying in God, or annihilation of the human self and attributes in God) and Baqa (living with God and acquiring divine attributes)." "Christian mysticism aims at the final goal of a permanent, or stable union with God. In this goal, it is similar to Judaic and Sufi mysticism as well. This union is an experience of intimacy with the Divine. Contemplation is a mystical process, the inner life of interior relationship with the Divine Lover; it is intensely personal, relational, but there is also direct, existential knowledge of God that arises out of this love. The soul or person who is granted this grace is elevated into the Divine Reality; the human is transformed in God, and on every side is saturated by Love, transfigured by the radiance of glory that emanates from the Divine Light itself. Christian mysticism, and all mysticism, is experiential; it is direct awareness and experience of the Ultimate Reality. In this sense, it is highly empirical; it is not based on belief, opinion, or speculation, but on an absolutely certain and objective reality. When this state of union becomes stabilized in a permanent relationship of love, the mystical marriage exists." ~ Sourcebook Of The World's Religions (Sound familiar?) Sure does.  So if all these religions have this mystical aspect in which the "goal" is realized Union with the Godhead, why are the mystical aspects so overlooked by the various religions? It seems to me that given the similarity of each of these, that people might look a little deeper into them.
esa said: thepope2the9s said: Many orthodox Jews will turn and spit if speak the word Kaballah to them, as it is considered occultic.
Orthodoxy tends to view mysticism as blasphemous and heretical. Hmm, how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical? *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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ehuffnsd said: esa said: All religious traditions have their corresponding mystical sects. In the Western religions, however (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), they are generally shunned by the orthodoxy. Initiates of "The Mystery" are those who know God by direct experience, rather that through theoretical knowledge and belief. This initiation comes in conjunction with a lifetime commited to prayer, study, and meditation. "The doctrine of these 'knowers of the real' constitutes the central core of the three great historical religion-philosophies of Asia - Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Islam, it appears in a sectarian form as the teaching of the Sufis. In Judaism, it is found chiefly as the Holy Kabala - a corpus of teaching contained in an early mediaeval work called the Zohar, descending, perhaps, from Philo Alexandraeus. In the traditions of Greece, it appears (somewhat diluted and confused with other elements) in a line of doctrine which runs from the Orphic mysteries, through Plato, to the Neo-Platonists of Alexandria - in particular Plontinus, Proclus, and the Christian Clement. In Christianity itself, the Areopagite in the 6th century, through John Scotus Erigina, St. Albert the Great, Meister Eckhart, and John of Ruysbroech, to Nicolas of Cusa in the 15th century. In the Near East and the West (that is to say, in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the doctrine has almost always been 'at odds' with an official orthodoxy bitterly opposed to its universalism, because of an immature compulsion to believe in the exclusive perfection of one's own 'party-religion'." ~ Alan Watts, Myth And Ritual in Christianity Catholic and Orthorodox embraces their mystic sects. many Saints were known mystics BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX CATHERINE OF SIENA JULIAN OF NORWICH TERESA OF AVILA AND JOHN OF THE CROSS to name a few So Catholocism and Orthodoxy encourage their adherents to practice seeking God within? They encourage their adherents to "die to themselves"? Sainting those known to be mystics isn't necessarily "embracing their mystic sects" if they do not teach that one can find God within, can reach that transcendant state of BEingness, imo. *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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benni said: esa said: Orthodoxy tends to view mysticism as blasphemous and heretical. Hmm, how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical? The source of the occult practices is viewed as evil or from the dark side, that is why. "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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thepope2the9s said: benni said: Hmm, how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical? The source of the occult practices is viewed as evil or from the dark side, that is why. So what "source" would that be? *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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benni said: ehuffnsd said: Catholic and Orthorodox embraces their mystic sects. many Saints were known mystics BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX CATHERINE OF SIENA JULIAN OF NORWICH TERESA OF AVILA AND JOHN OF THE CROSS to name a few So Catholocism and Orthodoxy encourage their adherents to practice seeking God within? They encourage their adherents to "die to themselves"? Sainting those known to be mystics isn't necessarily "embracing their mystic sects" if they do not teach that one can find God within, can reach that transcendant state of BEingness, imo. the RCC takes a hands off approach to mysticism and side religions like Santeria. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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benni said: ...how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical?
Because it goes against the official doctrine; because the clergy cannot control who might have the experience and who might not; because the elders mistrust the subjectivity of it, having never experienced it themselves; because one who has the experience is likely to see all of the flaws and hypocrisy inherent in organized religion; because the Presence of God can be a terrifying thing - even to a believer; et cetera... Actually, the scenario is depicted pretty clearly in the New Testament, if it is read esoterically: 'Jesus' is the Awakened One, who knows that he is one with God - your true Self; 'The Jews' represent the moralists - your inner sense of right and wrong, morality; 'The Romans' represent the logicians - your inner sense of reason and logic. As the story depicts, morality and logic have know idea how to handle the Awakened One, for they sense that he is a threat to the longstanding traditions of both, yet they're not exactly sure why. He is meek and humble, yet seems to be filled with incomprehensible power; he is graceful and peaceful, yet those 'in power' are not at ease around him - they are concerned, worried, puzzled. Of course, the only thing to do with such a person is destroy him - unwittingly instigating total emancipation and freedom for 'the whole world' (i.e., your entire psycho-physical organism). This is one of the reasons that awakened beings tend to live simply and quietly, and not draw attention to themselves. They would not want the same attention from clergy and law-enforcement that Jesus received. It's all a power-game. Men like to believe themselves to be 'powerful' and 'in control', but when God shows up - in whatever form - the very foundations of such thoughts are shaken and distressed ('the curtain of the sanctuary was rent in two, and the earth quaked and the rock-masses were split'), and real power is recognized. "I don't like that man; I must get to know him better." | |
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esa said: benni said: ...how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical?
Because it goes against the official doctrine; because the clergy cannot control who might have the experience and who might not; because the elders mistrust the subjectivity of it, having never experienced it themselves; because one who has the experience is likely to see all of the flaws and hypocrisy inherent in organized religion; because the Presence of God can be a terrifying thing - even to a believer; et cetera... Actually, the scenario is depicted pretty clearly in the New Testament, if it is read esoterically: 'Jesus' is the Awakened One, who knows that he is one with God - your true Self; 'The Jews' represent the moralists - your inner sense of right and wrong, morality; 'The Romans' represent the logicians - your inner sense of reason and logic. As the story depicts, morality and logic have know idea how to handle the Awakened One, for they sense that he is a threat to the longstanding traditions of both, yet they're not exactly sure why. He is meek and humble, yet seems to be filled with incomprehensible power; he is graceful and peaceful, yet those 'in power' are not at ease around him - they are concerned, worried, puzzled. Of course, the only thing to do with such a person is destroy him - unwittingly instigating total emancipation and freedom for 'the whole world' (i.e., your entire psycho-physical organism). This is one of the reasons that awakened beings tend to live simply and quietly, and not draw attention to themselves. They would not want the same attention from clergy and law-enforcement that Jesus received. It's all a power-game. Men like to believe themselves to be 'powerful' and 'in control', but when God shows up - in whatever form - the very foundations of such thoughts are shaken and distressed ('the curtain of the sanctuary was rent in two, and the earth quaked and the rock-masses were split'), and real power is recognized. 
Please expand a bit on the role that fear plays. "After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill...the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill...you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." | |
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babynoz said: Please expand a bit on the role that fear plays.
I'm not sure what you mean, babynoz. 'Fear' in what context? ...in relation to what? "I don't like that man; I must get to know him better." | |
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thepope2the9s said: benni said: Hmm, how can such a beautiful and peaceful experience be blasphemous and heretical? The source of the occult practices is viewed as evil or from the dark side, that is why. do I have to spell it out? S A T A N "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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thepope2the9s said: thepope2the9s said: The source of the occult practices is viewed as evil or from the dark side, that is why. do I have to spell it out? S A T A N 
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applekisses said: thepope2the9s said: do I have to spell it out? S A T A N
[Edited 10/20/08 11:17am] "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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esa said: babynoz said: Please expand a bit on the role that fear plays.
I'm not sure what you mean, babynoz. 'Fear' in what context? ...in relation to what? Certainly, The context is fear as being counter-productive to experiential spiritual knowledge as in your statement that the actual presence of God can be terrifying even to a believer. This is more often the case than most would care to admit and is a key reason why the institutions of religion always become so powerful. Many offer a structure that emphasizes "form", (dogma and doctrine) over "substance", (personal realization). A lot of folks find security in such an arrangement and tend to marginalize those whose path leads them beyond the comfort zone. People tend to prefer remaining in the comfort zone of the familiar. When I read your post, It got me thinking about how fear is at the root of efforts to marginalize and destroy that which is outside of the orthodoxy. I was asking you to expand on the reasons why people are willing to know of God ideologocally and at the same time think the idea of knowing God experientially to be blaspemous or heretical? I think fear has a lot to do with it because when our illusions of power and control are torn asunder we don't really want to know what waits on the other side of the curtain. "After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill...the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill...you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." | |
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