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eaglebear4839

A Message To Sarah Palin

Dear Sarah,

I think it was obvious, when you talked about special needs children, that this included your son. While I'm heartened by your understanding of the situation, and only a mother could have the kind of understanding you do of what a special needs child takes, I hope you'll be there for him just the same, should he develop other special needs - in particular if your child turns out to be gay and comes to you one day, and expresses the special need he has to marry the man of his dreams. Or if your child expresses the special need of wanting to join the peace corps and not the Marine corps. I hope you will have the internal fortitude to recognize that your child may need things you had not thought he would need, and give them to him anyway. Thanks for listening.

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Reply #1 posted 09/05/08 3:25am

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Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

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Reply #2 posted 09/05/08 6:30am

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paintedlady said:

Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

twocents


You are so on point and McCain and Palin just made Bristol the poster child for teen pregnancy in the U.S. A terrible example of what's wrong in society when adults...a presidential and vp candidate at that...make it okay for teens to have babies and drop out of school. I also agree with you that there must have been some lack of communication in the home. She comes from a two parent home of parents who are married. It's amazing though, how many in society assume that teen mothers come out of single parent homes, when in fact Bristol's situation is a prime example that it happens in two-parent home as well. Thing is, most of their parents are not running for the VP or Presidential position.

Had this been some other young girl from a single parent home, and she was brought before the same people who embraced Bristol having a baby and dropping out of school as a minor, they would have likened her as a lost cause and hopeless.
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Reply #3 posted 09/05/08 7:27am

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2elijah said:

paintedlady said:

Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

twocents


You are so on point and McCain and Palin just made Bristol the poster child for teen pregnancy in the U.S. A terrible example of what's wrong in society when adults...a presidential and vp candidate at that...make it okay for teens to have babies and drop out of school. I also agree with you that there must have been some lack of communication in the home. She comes from a two parent home of parents who are married. It's amazing though, how many in society assume that teen mothers come out of single parent homes, when in fact Bristol's situation is a prime example that it happens in two-parent home as well. Thing is, most of their parents are not running for the VP or Presidential position.

Had this been some other young girl from a single parent home, and she was brought before the same people who embraced Bristol having a baby and dropping out of school as a minor, they would have likened her as a lost cause and hopeless.
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Exactly.... two parents, in a home that is financially secure should provide for a secure environment for the child. What is the excuse? This shows that neglect can happen in any family. But I am glad now that now American has a more accurate face to place teen parenthood on. Most young ladies in abortion clinics come from "good homes", now maybe America can truly look at the issue of teen pregnancy as not just a problem of the lower class, but a wide spread symptom of neglectful parents that focus more on themselves and not their children.

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Reply #4 posted 09/05/08 8:05am

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eaglebear4839 said:

Dear Sarah,

I think it was obvious, when you talked about special needs children, that this included your son. While I'm heartened by your understanding of the situation, and only a mother could have the kind of understanding you do of what a special needs child takes, I hope you'll be there for him just the same, should he develop other special needs - in particular if your child turns out to be gay and comes to you one day, and expresses the special need he has to marry the man of his dreams. Or if your child expresses the special need of wanting to join the peace corps and not the Marine corps. I hope you will have the internal fortitude to recognize that your child may need things you had not thought he would need, and give them to him anyway. Thanks for listening.


Is nobody offended that eagle is calling gays people with special needs?

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11"
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Reply #5 posted 09/05/08 8:36am

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thepope2the9s said:

eaglebear4839 said:

Dear Sarah,

I think it was obvious, when you talked about special needs children, that this included your son. While I'm heartened by your understanding of the situation, and only a mother could have the kind of understanding you do of what a special needs child takes, I hope you'll be there for him just the same, should he develop other special needs - in particular if your child turns out to be gay and comes to you one day, and expresses the special need he has to marry the man of his dreams. Or if your child expresses the special need of wanting to join the peace corps and not the Marine corps. I hope you will have the internal fortitude to recognize that your child may need things you had not thought he would need, and give them to him anyway. Thanks for listening.


Is nobody offended that eagle is calling gays people with special needs?


Why would you think that eaglebear offended gays by saying that, when eagleear has publically stated on this site that he is a gay male.
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Reply #6 posted 09/05/08 8:48am

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This is for you being against sex education and promoting abstinance and being all for "family values" for the rest of the world but not even being able to enforce it in your own home.

In the words of Ms. Donna Summer on her song "Bad Girls".....

Now you and me, we are both the same
But you call yourself by different names

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2elijah said:

thepope2the9s said:



Is nobody offended that eagle is calling gays people with special needs?


Why would you think that eaglebear offended gays by saying that, when eagleear has publically stated on this site that he is a gay male.
[Edited 9/5/08 8:37am]

so i guess for something to be offensive, it depends on who says it....okay

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11"
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vainandy said:

This is for you being against sex education and promoting abstinance and being all for "family values" for the rest of the world but not even being able to enforce it in your own home.

In the words of Ms. Donna Summer on her song "Bad Girls".....

Now you and me, we are both the same
But you call yourself by different names


you cant force anything on anyone..people and kids especially make thier own choices.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11"
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Reply #9 posted 09/05/08 10:43am

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My message to her is a question:

WHY DID YOU REVEAL YOUR DAUGHTER'S PREGNANCY AGAINST HER WISHES AND FOR REASONS THAT HAD TO DO SOLELY WITH YOU - ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAD OTHER, BETTER WAYS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT LED YOU TO DIVULGE THIS PRIVATE INFORMATION?

I really want to know what kind of thinking a mother went through to get to that decision.

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Reply #10 posted 09/05/08 10:44am

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paintedlady said:

Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

twocents

Sorry, I don't buy that. You can have all the communication in the world flowing between a daughter and her parents, but normal human emotions and desires always take over. Always. Especially when it's happening to you at a point in your development where you're literally insisting on your independence and to make your own choices. Putting your child on birth control might help (IF she's responsible enough--or motivated enough--to stick to the regimine), but buying condoms for teenagers is a pretty laughable thing to rely on, imo. I know a shitloads of adults who will forego using condoms.

Now, teen pregnancy is a bit less likely to occur when there is healthy communication and healthy bonds between teenage girls and their parents/families...but a teen becoming pregnant should not automatically be equated with a lack of real parent/child communication being present.

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Reply #11 posted 09/05/08 10:47am

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thepope2the9s said:

2elijah said:



Why would you think that eaglebear offended gays by saying that, when eagleear has publically stated on this site that he is a gay male.
[Edited 9/5/08 8:37am]

so i guess for something to be offensive, it depends on who says it....okay


Whatever.. dude.

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Reply #12 posted 09/05/08 11:01am

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thepope2the9s said:

vainandy said:

This is for you being against sex education and promoting abstinance and being all for "family values" for the rest of the world but not even being able to enforce it in your own home.

In the words of Ms. Donna Summer on her song "Bad Girls".....

Now you and me, we are both the same
But you call yourself by different names


you cant force anything on anyone..people and kids especially make thier own choices.


She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....

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Reply #13 posted 09/05/08 11:17am

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vainandy said:



She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....



lol ...and what's with all the rifles??
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Reply #14 posted 09/05/08 11:25am

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vainandy said:



She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....


lol...That's hilarious lol...I need to fire up my Photoshopping skills and start making some of these lol nod

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Reply #15 posted 09/05/08 11:32am

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Byron said:

paintedlady said:

Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

twocents

Sorry, I don't buy that. You can have all the communication in the world flowing between a daughter and her parents, but normal human emotions and desires always take over. Always. Especially when it's happening to you at a point in your development where you're literally insisting on your independence and to make your own choices. Putting your child on birth control might help (IF she's responsible enough--or motivated enough--to stick to the regimine), but buying condoms for teenagers is a pretty laughable thing to rely on, imo. I know a shitloads of adults who will forego using condoms.

Now, teen pregnancy is a bit less likely to occur when there is healthy communication and healthy bonds between teenage girls and their parents/families...but a teen becoming pregnant should not automatically be equated with a lack of real parent/child communication being present.


Preparing yourself for that inevitable day? lol

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Reply #16 posted 09/05/08 11:34am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Byron said:


Sorry, I don't buy that. You can have all the communication in the world flowing between a daughter and her parents, but normal human emotions and desires always take over. Always. Especially when it's happening to you at a point in your development where you're literally insisting on your independence and to make your own choices. Putting your child on birth control might help (IF she's responsible enough--or motivated enough--to stick to the regimine), but buying condoms for teenagers is a pretty laughable thing to rely on, imo. I know a shitloads of adults who will forego using condoms.

Now, teen pregnancy is a bit less likely to occur when there is healthy communication and healthy bonds between teenage girls and their parents/families...but a teen becoming pregnant should not automatically be equated with a lack of real parent/child communication being present.


Preparing yourself for that inevitable day? lol

Yes lol lol confused...

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Byron said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Preparing yourself for that inevitable day? lol

Yes lol lol confused...

It's made me very happy to be raising 3 nephews and not 3 nieces lol

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Reply #18 posted 09/05/08 11:44am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Byron said:


Yes lol lol confused...

It's made me very happy to be raising 3 nephews and not 3 nieces lol

Yeah...after my sister passed away my niece (her daughter) and I became extremely close, which was wonderful. rose...However lol...I also afforded me some intense insight into a teenage girl's life, thoughts and feelings...and I started worrying about her as if I were her dad instead of her uncle lol neutral...Now I have my own daughter, and the worry is sometimes thru the roof bawl lol...

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vainandy said:



She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....


Is this real ? falloff

Or is it some kind of photoshop? lol

oh my. lol


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Imago said:


Is this real ? falloff

Or is it some kind of photoshop? lol

oh my. lol


It's a damn good photo shop. But these are not her hands .. and there's no wedding ring .. but I'm pretty sure that this is what it looks like under the pastel costume ...

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She comes from a two parent home of parents who are married. It's amazing though, how many in society assume that teen mothers come out of single parent homes, when in fact Bristol's situation is a prime example that it happens in two-parent home as well.


FYI Sarah and Todd had their first child 8 months after they ere married and the baby was not 1 month premature. Do the math.

Bristol is merely following in mom's footsteps.

The ridiculous admonition as illustrated in Aesop's fable about the mother crab trying to teach her offspring to walk forward rather than sideways, "Do as I say, not as I do" fully applies.

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RodeoSchro said:

My message to her is a question:

WHY DID YOU REVEAL YOUR DAUGHTER'S PREGNANCY AGAINST HER WISHES AND FOR REASONS THAT HAD TO DO SOLELY WITH YOU - ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAD OTHER, BETTER WAYS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT LED YOU TO DIVULGE THIS PRIVATE INFORMATION?

I really want to know what kind of thinking a mother went through to get to that decision.


Actually I think it made sense as a kind of pre-emptive maneuver. There's no way that the pregnancy would have been kept under wraps so by declaring it themselves they defused (to a degree) the shitstorm that the press would inevitably stirred up by breaking it as "a scoop."

I have a friend who lives in Wasilla and she tells me that just about every hotel room in town is filled with national and even international press people of all stripes; right wing journalists looking for human interest stories that will bolster their puffery about how great she is and lefty journalists offering to pay for unflattering or even incriminating stories and then the tabloid people looking for any controversial stuff they can find.

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DakutiusMaximus said:

She comes from a two parent home of parents who are married. It's amazing though, how many in society assume that teen mothers come out of single parent homes, when in fact Bristol's situation is a prime example that it happens in two-parent home as well.


FYI Sarah and Todd had their first child 8 months after they ere married and the baby was not 1 month premature. Do the math.

Bristol is merely following in mom's footsteps.

The ridiculous admonition as illustrated in Aesop's fable about the mother crab trying to teach her offspring to walk forward rather than sideways, "Do as I say, not as I do" fully applies.

How old was Sarah Palin when she had her first kid?

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Reply #24 posted 09/05/08 12:00pm

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DakutiusMaximus said:

RodeoSchro said:

My message to her is a question:

WHY DID YOU REVEAL YOUR DAUGHTER'S PREGNANCY AGAINST HER WISHES AND FOR REASONS THAT HAD TO DO SOLELY WITH YOU - ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAD OTHER, BETTER WAYS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT LED YOU TO DIVULGE THIS PRIVATE INFORMATION?

I really want to know what kind of thinking a mother went through to get to that decision.


Actually I think it made sense as a kind of pre-emptive maneuver. There's no way that the pregnancy would have been kept under wraps so by declaring it themselves they defused (to a degree) the shitstorm that the press would inevitably stirred up by breaking it as "a scoop."

I have a friend who lives in Wasilla and she tells me that just about every hotel room in town is filled with national and even international press people of all stripes; right wing journalists looking for human interest stories that will bolster their puffery about how great she is and lefty journalists offering to pay for unflattering or even incriminating stories and then the tabloid people looking for any controversial stuff they can find.

It's good for the local business lol nod...

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Byron said:

paintedlady said:

Teen pregnancy happens when there is a lack of communication between parent/child.
If the daughters aren't getting a certain need met where they go to a boy and have unprotected sex, this shows straight out that certain needs of the girl aren't being met. Even if its just a simple a need as taking your teen to the clinic to put her on birthcontrol pills, or taking her to the store to help her buy condoms. If that simple need wasn't met for the eldest daughter, then I doubt much communication happens in that family.

twocents

Sorry, I don't buy that. You can have all the communication in the world flowing between a daughter and her parents, but normal human emotions and desires always take over. Always. Especially when it's happening to you at a point in your development where you're literally insisting on your independence and to make your own choices. Putting your child on birth control might help (IF she's responsible enough--or motivated enough--to stick to the regimine), but buying condoms for teenagers is a pretty laughable thing to rely on, imo. I know a shitloads of adults who will forego using condoms.

Now, teen pregnancy is a bit less likely to occur when there is healthy communication and healthy bonds between teenage girls and their parents/families...but a teen becoming pregnant should not automatically be equated with a lack of real parent/child communication being present.



I have a 17yr.old virgin son... I communicate with him openly and honestly. Open discussions on sex answers questions and gives children confidence they otherwise wouldn't have since curiosity is a factor. I never bought my son condoms yet, but if he needs them, I told him that I would hook him up with a goodie pack of different brands for him to try. Taught him that masturbation is healthy, and to stay discreet. He hasn't fallen prey to peer pressure, and isn't in a rush to get pussy. So communication does work.

He comes home late... I ask "Did you use a condom?" He's like "Mom!" redface

but he knows, if he needed anything he can come to me. My nephew and nieces came to me for sex talk as well, they too have the same support from me. All are abstaining from sex. Communication works.

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And another thing let me make this clear....VERY clear.

Teens will do what you do, not what you tell them to do. If you are promiscuous, and/or are never home you provide opportunity and condone premarital sex in the eyes of your teen. Communication is more than verbal.

Oh and yes, lest we not forget the straight up lying ass parents that try to cover up their BS by saying "I talk to him/her all the time, but what can you do? They are just gonna do what they want." This is an excuse for their neglect. It BS plain and simple. A child will only do what they know they can get away with.
No thought of consequence leads to this behavior. If they fear the consequences they won't do it. Plain and simple.

This I absolutely know.

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vainandy said:



She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....

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Reply #28 posted 09/05/08 12:56pm

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paintedlady said:

Byron said:


Sorry, I don't buy that. You can have all the communication in the world flowing between a daughter and her parents, but normal human emotions and desires always take over. Always. Especially when it's happening to you at a point in your development where you're literally insisting on your independence and to make your own choices. Putting your child on birth control might help (IF she's responsible enough--or motivated enough--to stick to the regimine), but buying condoms for teenagers is a pretty laughable thing to rely on, imo. I know a shitloads of adults who will forego using condoms.

Now, teen pregnancy is a bit less likely to occur when there is healthy communication and healthy bonds between teenage girls and their parents/families...but a teen becoming pregnant should not automatically be equated with a lack of real parent/child communication being present.



I have a 17yr.old virgin son... I communicate with him openly and honestly. Open discussions on sex answers questions and gives children confidence they otherwise wouldn't have since curiosity is a factor. I never bought my son condoms yet, but if he needs them, I told him that I would hook him up with a goodie pack of different brands for him to try. Taught him that masturbation is healthy, and to stay discreet. He hasn't fallen prey to peer pressure, and isn't in a rush to get pussy. So communication does work.

He comes home late... I ask "Did you use a condom?" He's like "Mom!" redface

but he knows, if he needed anything he can come to me. My nephew and nieces came to me for sex talk as well, they too have the same support from me. All are abstaining from sex. Communication works.

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Imago said:

vainandy said:



She may preach her so-called morals to the rest of the world but kids see how their parents really are when the rest of the world isn't looking and they follow their example. It's no wonder how the daughter got pregnant, I mean, just look at this trashy slutty example her mother is setting for her.....


Is this real ? falloff

Or is it some kind of photoshop? lol

oh my. lol


I'm sure it's probably fake. A co-worker emailed it to me and I happened to see the picture on a website and just had to post it on the org.

She sent me another picture but I can't get the thumbnail to open. It's a picture of her dressed in a real slutty looking mini-skirt standing in front of a bar in what appears to be a trailer. lol

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