When Jesus chose his 12 disciples, Why didn't he choose any women?

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They were figureheads. The women were doing the real work in the field and behind the scenes. It was women who were devoted the most to him and it was women who first saw his resurrection....

Astasheiks said:

12 is a symbolic number in the Bible, like 7, 3, and 40 are. The list of Jesus' disciples went further than the 12 men officially listed, and definitely included women. Some religious scholars believe Mary Magdalen to be Jesus' most important follower.

It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.

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meow85 said:

I've often wondered if construction of a red lightsaber takes place before you can become a Republican, or is it something you do after initiation. Dah, well...

Byron said:

Astasheiks said:

Check yourself....

Matthew Chapter 10

1. Simon (Peter)
2. Andrew
3. James (the son of Zebedee)
4. John
5. Philip
6. Bartholomew
7. Thomas
8. Shirley
9. James (the son of Alpheus)
10.Lebbeus (Thaddeus)
11.Simon (the Canaanite)
12.Judas Iscariot

As you can see she is not one of the original 12 disciples that I'm talking about. So where did you get that from?

Um, I'm pretty sure that #8 was a woman ...

Jesus had other disciplines (followers) .. but the 'Head Leaders' and the inner circle were all men .. 12 .. for the 12 tribes of Israel

cborgman said:

Byron said:

Um, I'm pretty sure that #8 was a woman ...

Women did and still enjoy fine privileges.

Under the Law given by God to Israel, women had many privileges and were free to use their initiative. For instance, Proverbs 31:10-31 speaks of “a capable wife” who purchases fine material and makes excellent garments for her household. Why, “she has made even undergarments and proceeded to sell them”! (Verses 13, 21-24) “Like the ships of a merchant,” this excellent woman finds choice food, even if she must obtain it from distant places. (Verse 14) “She has considered a field and proceeded to obtain it,” and she has “planted a vineyard.” (Verse 16) Since “her trading is good,” her activities are profitable. (Verse 18) In addition to “watching over the goings-on of her household,” this industrious fearer of Jehovah unselfishly helps others. (Verses 20, 27) No wonder she is praised!—Verse 31.

Jehovah’s laws provided through Moses gave women full opportunity to grow spiritually. For example, at Joshua 8:35, we read: “There proved to be not a word of all that Moses had commanded that Joshua did not read aloud in front of all the congregation of Israel, together with the women and the little ones and the alien residents who walked in their midst.” Concerning Ezra the priest, the Bible states: “[He] brought the law before the congregation of men as well as of women and of all intelligent enough to listen, on the first day of the seventh month. And he continued to read aloud from it before the public square that is before the Water Gate, from daybreak till midday, in front of the men and the women and the other intelligent ones; and the ears of all the people were attentive to the book of the law.” (Nehemiah 8:2, 3) Women benefited from such reading of the Law. They also observed religious festivals. (Deuteronomy 12:12, 18; 16:11, 14) Most important, women in ancient Israel could have a personal relationship with Jehovah God and could individually pray to him.—1 Samuel 1:10.

In the first century C.E., God-fearing women were privileged to minister to Jesus. (Luke 8:1-3) A woman anointed his head and feet during an evening meal in Bethany. (Matthew 26:6-13; John 12:1-7) Women were among those to whom Jesus appeared after his resurrection. (Matthew 28:1-10; John 20:1-18) After Jesus’ ascension to heaven, the group of about 120 that met together included “some women and Mary the mother of Jesus.” (Acts 1:3-15) Many or all of these women were undoubtedly in the upper chamber in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E., when the holy spirit was sent and Jesus’ disciples miraculously spoke in a number of different languages.—Acts 2:1-12.

Both men and women were among those who experienced the fulfillment of Joel 2:28, 29, as quoted by the apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost: “I [Jehovah] shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy . . . And even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days.” (Acts 2:13-18) For a time after Pentecost 33 C.E., Christian women were favored with the gifts of the spirit. They spoke in foreign languages and prophesied, not necessarily making predictions but speaking forth Scriptural truths.

In his letter to Christians in Rome, the apostle Paul speaks warmly of “Phoebe our sister,” recommending her to them. He also refers to Tryphaena and Tryphosa, calling them “women who are working hard in the Lord.” (Romans 16:1, 2, 12) Although these women did not hold appointed positions in the early Christian congregation, they and many other women had the blessing of being chosen by God to be associated with his Son, Jesus Christ, in the heavenly Kingdom.—Romans 8:16, 17; Galatians 3:28, 29.

What a wonderful privilege godly women enjoy today! “Jehovah himself gives the saying; the women telling the good news are a large army,” says Psalm 68:11. Such women are to be commended. For instance, their skillful teaching at home Bible studies is leading many to accept true teachings that please God. Married Christian women who help their children to become believers and are supportive of their husbands who have many congregation duties also deserve praise. (Proverbs 31:10-12, 28) Single women too have a dignified place in God’s arrangement, and Christian men are admonished to “entreat . . . older women as mothers, younger women as sisters with all chasteness.”—1 Timothy 5:1, 2.

Byron said:

Astasheiks said:

Check yourself....

Matthew Chapter 10

1. Simon (Peter)
2. Andrew
3. James (the son of Zebedee)
4. John
5. Philip
6. Bartholomew
7. Thomas
8. Shirley
9. James (the son of Alpheus)
10.Lebbeus (Thaddeus)
11.Simon (the Canaanite)
12.Judas Iscariot

As you can see she is not one of the original 12 disciples that I'm talking about. So where did you get that from?

Um, I'm pretty sure that #8 was a woman ...

Astasheiks said:

Byron said:

Um, I'm pretty sure that #8 was a woman ...

Oh so you changed Matthew to Shirley, blasphemy.

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody

Astasheiks said:

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody

He did. I hate talking about the Bible. Because we all twist it to fit our certain beliefs. But the Gospel writers (Matthew, Mark,Luke, and John?) all describe the women as those who had followed Jesus. The Gospel writers use "follow" over 75 times to show that following Jesus means being a disciple of Christ (for example, Matt 4:19, Mark 1:18, Luke 5:11, 27-28).

Mary Magdalene "was a prominent disciple of Jesus who followed him in Galilee and to Jerusalem. She is always listed first in groups of named female disciples" (The Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels, 884). She is mentioned in all four Gospel accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion. Mary was one of the women Luke named in chapter 8, not only following Jesus, but serving him from her own means. She stood at the cross with the other woman and saw where Jesus was buried. She was the first to see the Risen Christ. She became known as the apostle to the apostles.

In all the Gospel accounts women were the first to the tomb Sunday morning, and they were the first to see the risen Christ and commanded to carry the good news to the disciples. Mark 16:1, Matt 28:1,Luke 24:1, and John 20:1, and if you notice in those readings, different women are named, but one name is constant in all four gospels: Mary Magdalene. In John 20 she is the first to the tomb on Sunday morning, and the first person to whom Christ reveals himself after the resurrection.

So, women were disciples.

Women in the bible also had very prominent positions and followed after christ as disciples. But there were only 12 apostles (which I think the thread starter is talking about) which were only men. there is a difference between disciples and apostles. My thought is that it just wasn't the position christ wanted to give them. God gives examples of women roles in the church for today(things permitted for them to do in the body and those things reserved only for men) and the bible states that the husband is the head of the household, such as Christ is to the body... It has a lot to do with man being the first creation, and the woman created out of the man.

* Most importantly, it is crucial that we don't get tied up in things like this...God has no respect of persons.

Astasheiks said:

women are too emotional. thats why hillary didnt win

SUPRMAN said:

Fritzy said:

many religions tend to see women as less than men.

personally, i find it difficult to believe god would be so limited in hisher/whatever thinking of creation that way.

it has always struck me as one of the many limitations humans place on the god they create. because we as humans are so limited in our ability to think, we see god(s) as omnipotent, but then still constrict god to human intelligence limits. we think god would think in terms of one must rule the others. male become better than females. in older times, white became better than black. and of course hetero trumps the shit out of homo.

pecking order is a human limit of our capacity to think beyond our own existance.

mind you, it's not an exclusively religious thing to have pecking order. natural society is just as guilty.

just my
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Fritzy said:

It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.

meow85 said:

Fritzy said:

It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.

Astasheiks said:

Byron said:

Um, I'm pretty sure that #8 was a woman ...

Oh so you changed Matthew to Shirley, blasphemy.

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