MCCain on Abortion (couldn't keep Stymie waiting Supa . . . :)

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John McCain on Abortion


Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them
On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A9 Jan 31, 2000

“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion
KEYES [to McCain]: What you would say if your daughter was ever in a position where she might need an abortion? You answered [earlier today] that the choice would be up to her and then that you’d have a family conference. That displayed a profound lack of understanding of the basic issue of principle involved in abortion. After all, if your daughter said she was contemplating killing her grandmother for the inheritance, you wouldn’t say, “Let’s have a family conference.” You’d look at her and say “Just Say No,“ because that is morally wrong. It is God’s choice that that child is in the womb. And for us to usurp that choice in contradiction of our declaration of principles is just as wrong.

McCAIN: I am proud of my pro-life record in public life, and I will continue to maintain it. I will not draw my children into this discussion. As a leader of a pro-life party with a pro-life position, I will persuade young Americans [to] understand the importance of the preservation of the rights of the unborn.
Source: (X-ref from Keyes) GOP Debate in Manchester NH Jan 26, 2000

Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape
McCain was asked whether he would reinstate the Reagan era rule that prevents international family planning clinics that receive federal funds from discussing abortion. “I don’t believe they should advocate abortion with my tax dollars,” McCain said, adding that he opposed abortion except in cases of rape and incest. He was then asked how he would determine whether someone had in fact been raped. McCain responded, “I think that I would give the benefit of the doubt to the person who alleges that.”
Source: New York Times, p. A17 Jan 25, 2000

Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity
McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson’s disease. McCain concluded that abortion rights and anti-abortion activists should cooperate on issues of foster care and adoption. He had made his decision on abortion, he said, “after a lot of study, consultation, and a lot of prayer.” He added, “I’d like to have less intensity on this issue.”
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion
Q: Should Republicans encourage pro-choice voters to support their candidates?
A: We must begin a dialogue and a discussion on the issue of abortion. Both pro-life & pro-choice people believe very strongly that we need to eliminate abortion. I and my wife, Cindy, are proud adoptive parents. We need to encourage adoption in America. We need to improve foster care dramatically. We can work together. We can have respectful disagreements on specific issues, and we can work together on this one.
Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999

Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it
McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” A spokesman said that McCain “has a 17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”
Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999

Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing
In a letter to the National Right to Life Committee, McCain detailed a long anti-abortion record, including his sponsorship of the effort to overturn President Clinton’s veto of a bill banning late-term procedures called “partial birth” abortions. He also has opposed public financing of abortions, except in cases of rape, incest or a threat to the mother’s life.
Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999

Nominate justices based on experience, and values
On the issue of nominating Supreme Court justices based on an abortion litmus-test, “McCain has said that he will nominate justices based on their experience, and those who share his values,” said a spokesman.
Source: Associated Press Jun 14, 1999

Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding

1. McCain supports the following statements:Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
2. Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
3. Prohibit public funding of abortions and public funding of organizations that advocate or perform abortions.

Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, www.vote-smart.org Jul 2, 1998

Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000

Voted YES on allowing partial birth abortions.
This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion.
Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3
Reference: Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692 ; vote number 1999-340 on Oct 21, 1999

Other candidates on Abortion: John McCain on other issues:
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George W. Bush
Al Gore
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Harry Browne
John Hagelin
David McReynolds
Howard Phillips

V.P. Candidates:
Dick Cheney
Joe Lieberman
Winona LaDuke
Ezola Foster

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Gary Bauer
Bill Bradley
Elizabeth Dole
Steve Forbes
Orrin Hatch
Alan Keyes
John McCain
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I have seen anti privacy advocates claim that abortion is murder and yet they have said the same thing, that they wouldn't punish women even though it is women who are choosing to "murder" their child.

As fanatical and maniacal it is to punish anyone for having an abortion, they know they keep abortion legal if they start advocating for murdering women who choose to abort.

Of course they don't want to come off as crazy so they lie about their true feelings and then say they just want to punish the doctor. So much for values.

Also, for anyone who is proud of their "independent" status and supports McCain based on his Maverick stance, he is completely against a woman's right to privacy and feels the government should have it's hand between women's legs.

Any sanity he had in the past is gone. Maybe it's because he is too old and can't remember what he believes. Or maybe he has no sense of self and neutered himself in order to bow before the crazies of his party. What a sad demise of a politician.
[Edited 8/27/08 17:28pm]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have seen anti privacy advocates claim that abortion is murder and yet they have said the same thing, that they wouldn't punish women even though it is women who are choosing to "murder" their child.

As fanatical and maniacal it is to punish anyone for having an abortion, they know they keep abortion legal if they start advocating for murdering women who choose to abort.

Of course they don't want to come off as crazy so they lie about their true feelings and then say they just want to punish the doctor. So much for values.

Also, for anyone who is proud of their "independent" status and supports McCain based on his Maverick stance, he is completely against a woman's right to privacy and feels the government should have it's hand between women's legs.

Any sanity he had in the past is gone. Maybe it's because he is too old and can't remember what he believes. Or maybe he has no sense of self and neutered himself in order to bow before the crazies of his party. What a sad demise of a politician.
[Edited 8/27/08 17:28pm]

greenpixies said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have seen anti privacy advocates claim that abortion is murder and yet they have said the same thing, that they wouldn't punish women even though it is women who are choosing to "murder" their child.

As fanatical and maniacal it is to punish anyone for having an abortion, they know they keep abortion legal if they start advocating for murdering women who choose to abort.

Of course they don't want to come off as crazy so they lie about their true feelings and then say they just want to punish the doctor. So much for values.

Also, for anyone who is proud of their "independent" status and supports McCain based on his Maverick stance, he is completely against a woman's right to privacy and feels the government should have it's hand between women's legs.

Any sanity he had in the past is gone. Maybe it's because he is too old and can't remember what he believes. Or maybe he has no sense of self and neutered himself in order to bow before the crazies of his party. What a sad demise of a politician.
[Edited 8/27/08 17:28pm]

What's with this? It isn't murder to sentence a criminal who egregiously took an innocent life with death.

greenpixies said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have seen anti privacy advocates claim that abortion is murder and yet they have said the same thing, that they wouldn't punish women even though it is women who are choosing to "murder" their child.

As fanatical and maniacal it is to punish anyone for having an abortion, they know they keep abortion legal if they start advocating for murdering women who choose to abort.

Of course they don't want to come off as crazy so they lie about their true feelings and then say they just want to punish the doctor. So much for values.

Also, for anyone who is proud of their "independent" status and supports McCain based on his Maverick stance, he is completely against a woman's right to privacy and feels the government should have it's hand between women's legs.

Any sanity he had in the past is gone. Maybe it's because he is too old and can't remember what he believes. Or maybe he has no sense of self and neutered himself in order to bow before the crazies of his party. What a sad demise of a politician.
[Edited 8/27/08 17:28pm]

What's with this? It isn't murder to sentence a criminal who egregiously took an innocent life with death.

weused2luvhim said:

• Are you saying we should have 40,000,000 (according to your inflated figures) women behind bars for the rest of their lives?
  
  
• Life in prison is what you're advocating?
  
  
• What happens to this economy when you have 40,000,000 less women contributing to it?
  
  
• What happens to families and communities that would not have these women? How would you propose we pay for 40,000,000 prisoners?
  
  
• Are you advocating that raped women or women who had their fathers on top of them be punished for choosing to abort a pregnancy that was forced on them? If so, what is the punishment you feel they deserve?
  

SO where does McCain stand on abortion today?

Stymie said:

cborgman said:

Stymie said:

Stymie said:

cborgman said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

this seems to be the clearest detailing i can find on it...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/...ks-aw.html

McCain Backs Away from Abortion Pledge


ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson Report:
John McCain's campaign signaled on Wednesday that the Arizona senator is backing away from his previously stated goal of changing the GOP’s platform on abortion.

"There's a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told ABC News.

McCain’s plan to take a hands-off approach with the abortion platform stands in stark contrast with the position he took during his first presidential run.

Back in 2000, McCain clashed with then-Gov. George W. Bush over his unwillingness to change platform language that called for a human life amendment banning all abortions.

McCain implored Bush to join him in wanting to add exceptions for rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother.

Watch the McCain-Bush sparring here.

McCain's desire to change the platform did not end in 2000.

During an April 14, 2007 media availability which followed the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Day Dinner in Des Moines, McCain reaffirmed his support for changing the platform.

But now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, the McCain camp is making it clear that he has no plans to push for changes to the platform.

McCain's decision to leave the platform untouched follows a warning from a prominent social conservative.

"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, told ABC News in May. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

While leaving the platform untouched would please many in the GOP's socially conservative base, it could alienate some of the more moderate voters that McCain is hoping to attract.

"If he doesn't change the platform, then he's being the same kind of hypocrite that he accused Bush of being in 2000," Jennifer Blei Stockman, the co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice, told ABC News in May.

"Many people think of him as a moderate," she added. "But when it comes out that he doesn't want to change this extreme, right-wing Republican platform, the word 'moderate' is going to disappear from any description of McCain."

cborgman said:

Stymie said:

cborgman said:

this seems to be the clearest detailing i can find on it...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/...ks-aw.html

McCain Backs Away from Abortion Pledge


ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson Report:
John McCain's campaign signaled on Wednesday that the Arizona senator is backing away from his previously stated goal of changing the GOP’s platform on abortion.

"There's a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told ABC News.

McCain’s plan to take a hands-off approach with the abortion platform stands in stark contrast with the position he took during his first presidential run.

Back in 2000, McCain clashed with then-Gov. George W. Bush over his unwillingness to change platform language that called for a human life amendment banning all abortions.

McCain implored Bush to join him in wanting to add exceptions for rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother.

Watch the McCain-Bush sparring here.

McCain's desire to change the platform did not end in 2000.

During an April 14, 2007 media availability which followed the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Day Dinner in Des Moines, McCain reaffirmed his support for changing the platform.

But now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, the McCain camp is making it clear that he has no plans to push for changes to the platform.

McCain's decision to leave the platform untouched follows a warning from a prominent social conservative.

"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, told ABC News in May. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

While leaving the platform untouched would please many in the GOP's socially conservative base, it could alienate some of the more moderate voters that McCain is hoping to attract.

"If he doesn't change the platform, then he's being the same kind of hypocrite that he accused Bush of being in 2000," Jennifer Blei Stockman, the co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice, told ABC News in May.

"Many people think of him as a moderate," she added. "But when it comes out that he doesn't want to change this extreme, right-wing Republican platform, the word 'moderate' is going to disappear from any description of McCain."

That's not clear at all.

cborgman said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Stymie said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So yes, he is no longer a maverick and endorses a complete ban on ALL abortions regardless whether a woman is raped by a stranger, her father or will die in childbirth. How compassionate.

INDEPENDENTS WHO SUPPORT McCAIN DO YOU HEAR THIS?

To be honest, if he claims he's Christian, there is no other way to be about this. Too bad the Christian title goes out the window on other stuff.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Stymie said:

To be honest, if he claims he's Christian, there is no other way to be about this. Too bad the Christian title goes out the window on other stuff.

Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to respect women's individual right to privacy. It's something we all deserve, not to have the government interferring in our personal sexual or medical decisions.

Stymie said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Stymie said:

You are all missing the point.

McCain supports some abortions and intends to ignore the republican platform calling for a ban. In fact the abortions McCain supports, including in cases of danger to the mother, would include abortions performed late term.

Therefore using prince.org P&R logic tested by many in the forum...


McCain supports infanticide.

Mars23 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mars23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And let me get this straight, from either of you:

• Are you saying we should have 40,000,000 (according to your inflated figures) women behind bars for the rest of their lives?
  
  
• Life in prison is what you're advocating?
  
  
• What happens to this economy when you have 40,000,000 less women contributing to it?
  
  
• What happens to families and communities that would not have these women? How would you propose we pay for 40,000,000 prisoners?
  
  
• Are you advocating that raped women or women who had their fathers on top of them be punished for choosing to abort a pregnancy that was forced on them? If so, what is the punishment you feel they deserve?
  

[Edited 8/28/08 9:50am]

Ha ha....yeah as u can see, no answer...

what i hate is the spin that anti-abortion people say, that pro-choice people are taking their right away to ban abortion.

if your against abortion, dont have one