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Why won't the Democrats let us drill for oil? Democratic argument # 1
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Stymie said: Yeah, it makes perfect sense to keep putting a band-aid on the real problem.
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Off-shore drilling will not bring down the current oil prices. The current crisis is not the result of oil shortage, but a higher demand, mainly from China and many African nations. When there's a higher demand, the prices go up.
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MrSoulpower said: Off-shore drilling will not bring down the current oil prices. The current crisis is not the result of oil shortage, but a higher demand, mainly from China and many African nations. When there's a higher demand, the prices go up.
Republicans act like the oil from off-shore drilling would stay in America. That's an illusion. The government doesn't own the oil companies, and the oil companies will continue to offer the oil on the global market. Most likely, much of the oil will end up in China anyway. The only way to bring down gas prices is to decrease the demand for oil. Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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RodeoSchro said: Here is what the Republicans would have us believe:
Although THEY enacted the ban on offshore drilling (President George H. W. Bush), and although THEY continued that ban by vote in Congress during 14 straight years of GOP control, and although THEIR coastal state governors all opposed offshore drilling until this year, and although THEY never once saw the upcoming boom in demand, we should listen to THEIR plan. Yeah, right. The BEST thing you can say about Republicans in this issue is that they have been behind the curve since Day 1. Alright so where are the Democrats now? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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I just don't understand it. There is a huge demand for oil. There is plenty of oil in off shore territory and ANWR. Why can't we use our natural resources? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? Your "plentiful supply" theory doesn't work. There's a high supply of electric power, yet the prices go up. There's enough food in the country, yet prices go up. Whenever there is a demand, the price will increase. That's the basic principle of a free market. Do you honestly believe that the oil from off-shore drilling would stay in the United States? No, it will be sold. I'm not for "cutting back" the supply. I am for working on alternative energy. Even if you allowed off-shore drilling, it would take about six to ten years until we'll have access to that oil. In that time, we can easily develop alternatives. In fact, we could have done that a long time ago, but the oil industry lobbied against that. Brazil for example is completely independent from the global oil market. They found an alternative fuel source that suits them. [Edited 8/18/08 12:11pm] Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? So keep enabling behavior that will eventually bleed us dry? Is that your answer? That's what got us into this mess in the first place. The drilling option is a pipe dream, pixies. You won't see any Texas Tea from those offshore drilling efforts for at least another generation, according to reports from within the current administration itself. It will do nothing to affect the immediate problem. So promising a quick fix (literally and figuratively) is fool's gold. What we CAN do is affect the price of the supply by reducing demand. That's something that we all can do, and our government should be leading the effort in encouraging an "attitude adjustment" on oil consumption. FWIW, had any Congress over the last 20 years done anything to increase fuel standards in automobiles, we wouldn't be having this problem. Also, FWIW, had the Bush administration not opposed states' individual efforts to address fuel efficiency standards, we may already have been on the way to more efficient cars. Higher fuel efficiencies = less oil consumption. Leaders need to quit humoring myths, and we need to quit deluding ourselves. We've got to adjust our behavior. And become accountable for our own consumption choices. Aren't those supposedly "conservative" values? And why do conservatives oppose conservation so? Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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namepeace said: greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? So keep enabling behavior that will eventually bleed us dry? Is that your answer? That's what got us into this mess in the first place. The drilling option is a pipe dream, pixies. You won't see any Texas Tea from those offshore drilling efforts for at least another generation, according to reports from within the current administration itself. It will do nothing to affect the immediate problem. So promising a quick fix (literally and figuratively) is fool's gold. What we CAN do is affect the price of the supply by reducing demand. That's something that we all can do, and our government should be leading the effort in encouraging an "attitude adjustment" on oil consumption. FWIW, had any Congress over the last 20 years done anything to increase fuel standards in automobiles, we wouldn't be having this problem. Also, FWIW, had the Bush administration not opposed states' individual efforts to address fuel efficiency standards, we may already have been on the way to more efficient cars. Higher fuel efficiencies = less oil consumption. Leaders need to quit humoring myths, and we need to quit deluding ourselves. We've got to adjust our behavior. And become accountable for our own consumption choices. Aren't those supposedly "conservative" values? And why do conservatives oppose conservation so? | |
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greenpixies said: MrSoulpower said: Off-shore drilling will not bring down the current oil prices. The current crisis is not the result of oil shortage, but a higher demand, mainly from China and many African nations. When there's a higher demand, the prices go up.
Republicans act like the oil from off-shore drilling would stay in America. That's an illusion. The government doesn't own the oil companies, and the oil companies will continue to offer the oil on the global market. Most likely, much of the oil will end up in China anyway. The only way to bring down gas prices is to decrease the demand for oil. Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? Do you think, even with offshore drilling there is enough to meet present consumption (let alone future consumption)? It's not there. There is plenty of competition for oil now, which raises prices. It's not about a lack of competition unless you count U.S. boycotts on Iran which reduces supply to world markets. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? Do you think, even with offshore drilling there is enough to meet present consumption (let alone future consumption)? It's not there. There is plenty of competition for oil now, which raises prices. It's not about a lack of competition unless you count U.S. boycotts on Iran which reduces supply to world markets. So just because we don't have %100 of our present and future oil needs we shouldn't drill? If I have a mortgage payment of $3,000 and it is known that I can obtain $900 towards it why would I not do what I can to obtain that $900? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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MrSoulpower said: greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? Your "plentiful supply" theory doesn't work. There's a high supply of electric power, yet the prices go up. There's enough food in the country, yet prices go up. Whenever there is a demand, the price will increase. That's the basic principle of a free market. Do you honestly believe that the oil from off-shore drilling would stay in the United States? No, it will be sold. I'm not for "cutting back" the supply. I am for working on alternative energy. Even if you allowed off-shore drilling, it would take about six to ten years until we'll have access to that oil. In that time, we can easily develop alternatives. In fact, we could have done that a long time ago, but the oil industry lobbied against that. Brazil for example is completely independent from the global oil market. They found an alternative fuel source that suits them. [Edited 8/18/08 12:11pm] So are you for both exploring alternative energy (nuclear included) and drilling since they both will take some time to obtain? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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greenpixies said: So are you for both exploring alternative energy (nuclear included) and drilling since they both will take some time to obtain? I am all for using the existing dwells and exploring alternative energy with a slow transition away from nuclear. Like I said, we could long have affordable cars with alternative fuel sources in mass production. It would be a matter of 3-5 years, and conventional car engines could be taken off production. But I doubt that McCain will lobby for that, and I honestly don't think Obama will either. Virginia Senator Randy Forbes introduced an interesting bill a few months ago, promising government rewards for new inventions, but that doesn't go far enough. We need a strong government program. Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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namepeace said: greenpixies said: Nope. That's not the only way. Another way to bring down gas prices is to have a plentiful supply, competition. And it's not only about that, it's also about striving towards independence as a country. So there's a huge demand for oil and instead of working on supplying the demand your answer at this time is work on cutting back the demand? How about supplying the demand and work on alternative energy? So keep enabling behavior that will eventually bleed us dry? Is that your answer? That's what got us into this mess in the first place. The drilling option is a pipe dream, pixies. You won't see any Texas Tea from those offshore drilling efforts for at least another generation, according to reports from within the current administration itself. It will do nothing to affect the immediate problem. So promising a quick fix (literally and figuratively) is fool's gold. What we CAN do is affect the price of the supply by reducing demand. That's something that we all can do, and our government should be leading the effort in encouraging an "attitude adjustment" on oil consumption. FWIW, had any Congress over the last 20 years done anything to increase fuel standards in automobiles, we wouldn't be having this problem. Also, FWIW, had the Bush administration not opposed states' individual efforts to address fuel efficiency standards, we may already have been on the way to more efficient cars. Higher fuel efficiencies = less oil consumption. Leaders need to quit humoring myths, and we need to quit deluding ourselves. We've got to adjust our behavior. And become accountable for our own consumption choices. Aren't those supposedly "conservative" values? And why do conservatives oppose conservation so? You don't think solar and wind power will take time? You don't think it will take time to convert everyone to hybrids? Even aside from using oil for automobiles we use oil in other areas of our life. It is one of the top resources we use for energy. It seems irresponsible to not drill in hopes of alternative energy coming to the rescue. We should be exploring nuclear energy and other alternative energies as well as drilling. Also, isn't the earth and all its bounty for mankind to utilize, responsibly, but utilize none the less? The US is the only country in the world that bans using its own natural resources. The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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MrSoulpower said: greenpixies said: So are you for both exploring alternative energy (nuclear included) and drilling since they both will take some time to obtain? I am all for using the existing dwells and exploring alternative energy with a slow transition away from nuclear. Like I said, we could long have affordable cars with alternative fuel sources in mass production. It would be a matter of 3-5 years, and conventional car engines could be taken off production. But I doubt that McCain will lobby for that, and I honestly don't think Obama will either. Virginia Senator Randy Forbes introduced an interesting bill a few months ago, promising government rewards for new inventions, but that doesn't go far enough. We need a strong government program. And what would be your main source of energy for other areas of our life aside from automobiles? What is your problem with nuclear energy? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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greenpixies said: And what would be your main source of energy for other areas of our life aside from automobiles? What is your problem with nuclear energy? There are many alternative energy sources that are already successful in many European countries. - Bioenergy: biomass, such as plant matter and animal waste, can yield power, heat, steam, and fuel. - Geothermal: renewable heat energy can be harnessed from deep within the earth. - Wind: turbines turning in the air convert kinetic energy in the wind into electricity. - Solar: the sun’s energy can be captured and used to produce heat and electricity. - Hydrogen: if produced by renewable sources, it can power fuel cells to convert chemical energy directly into electricity, with useful heat and water as the only byproducts. - Tidal: using the movement of the ocean to power turbines and generate electricity. Many more sustainable resources could be found and current resources improved if better technology were available and if the government and utilities actively promoted their development. To answer your second question, there are many risk factors with nuclear energy. For example: - All the steps in the complex process of creating nuclear energy entail environmental hazards. - The mining of uranium, as well as its refining and enrichment, and the production of plutonium produce radioactive isotopes that contaminate the surrounding area, including the groundwater, air, land, plants, and equipment. As a result, humans and the entire ecosystem are adversely and profoundly affected. - Some of these radioactive isotopes are extraordinarily long-lived, remaining toxic for hundreds of thousands of years. Presently, we are only beginning to observe and experience the consequences of producing nuclear energy - Nuclear waste is produced in many different ways. There are wastes produced in the reactor core, wastes created as a result of radioactive contamination, and wastes produced as a byproduct of uranium mining, refining, and enrichment. The vast majority of radiation in nuclear waste is given off from spent fuel rods. - A typical reactor will generate 20 to 30 tons of high-level nuclear waste annually. There is no known way to safely dispose of this waste, which remains dangerously radioactive until it naturally decays. - The rate of decay of a radioactive isotope is called its half-life, the time in which half the initial amount of atoms present takes to decay. The half-life of Plutonium-239, one particularly lethal component of nuclear waste, is 24,000 years. - The hazardous life of a radioactive element (the length of time that must elapse before the material is considered safe) is at least 10 half-lives. Therefore, Plutonium-239 will remain hazardous for at least 240,000 years. There is a current proposal to dump nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, Nevada. The plan is for Yucca Mountain to hold all of the high level nuclear waste ever produced from every nuclear power plant in the US. However, that would completely fill up the site and not account for future waste. Transporting the wastes by truck and rail would be extremely dangerous. Though some countries reprocess nuclear waste (in essence, preparing it to send through the cycle again to create more energy), this process is banned in the U.S. due to increased proliferation risks, as the reprocessed materials can also be used for making bombs. Reprocessing is also not a solution because it just creates additional nuclear waste. The best action would be to cease producing nuclear energy (and waste), to leave the existing waste where it is, and to immobilize it. There are a few different methods of waste immobilization. In the vitrification process, waste is combined with glass-forming materials and melted. Once the materials solidify, the waste is trapped inside and can't easily be released. source: wagingpeace.org Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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greenpixies said: namepeace said: So keep enabling behavior that will eventually bleed us dry? Is that your answer? That's what got us into this mess in the first place. The drilling option is a pipe dream, pixies. You won't see any Texas Tea from those offshore drilling efforts for at least another generation, according to reports from within the current administration itself. It will do nothing to affect the immediate problem. So promising a quick fix (literally and figuratively) is fool's gold. What we CAN do is affect the price of the supply by reducing demand. That's something that we all can do, and our government should be leading the effort in encouraging an "attitude adjustment" on oil consumption. FWIW, had any Congress over the last 20 years done anything to increase fuel standards in automobiles, we wouldn't be having this problem. Also, FWIW, had the Bush administration not opposed states' individual efforts to address fuel efficiency standards, we may already have been on the way to more efficient cars. Higher fuel efficiencies = less oil consumption. Leaders need to quit humoring myths, and we need to quit deluding ourselves. We've got to adjust our behavior. And become accountable for our own consumption choices. Aren't those supposedly "conservative" values? And why do conservatives oppose conservation so? You don't think solar and wind power will take time? You don't think it will take time to convert everyone to hybrids? Even aside from using oil for automobiles we use oil in other areas of our life. It is one of the top resources we use for energy. It seems irresponsible to not drill in hopes of alternative energy coming to the rescue. We should be exploring nuclear energy and other alternative energies as well as drilling. Also, isn't the earth and all its bounty for mankind to utilize, responsibly, but utilize none the less? The US is the only country in the world that bans using its own natural resources. \Well in that case, let's just strip mine the Western U.S. for coal which we have and can use now. Forget global warming since we can use the planet as irresponsibly as we do everything else. And no we aren't the only country that bans using its own natural resources, or should we open natural parks also because they are just eye candy and we didn't know there was oil or coal to access before we thought to preserve some of this earth for future generations? Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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MrSoulpower said: greenpixies said: And what would be your main source of energy for other areas of our life aside from automobiles? What is your problem with nuclear energy? There are many alternative energy sources that are already successful in many European countries. - Bioenergy: biomass, such as plant matter and animal waste, can yield power, heat, steam, and fuel. - Geothermal: renewable heat energy can be harnessed from deep within the earth. - Wind: turbines turning in the air convert kinetic energy in the wind into electricity. - Solar: the sun’s energy can be captured and used to produce heat and electricity. - Hydrogen: if produced by renewable sources, it can power fuel cells to convert chemical energy directly into electricity, with useful heat and water as the only byproducts. - Tidal: using the movement of the ocean to power turbines and generate electricity. Many more sustainable resources could be found and current resources improved if better technology were available and if the government and utilities actively promoted their development. To answer your second question, there are many risk factors with nuclear energy. For example: - All the steps in the complex process of creating nuclear energy entail environmental hazards. - The mining of uranium, as well as its refining and enrichment, and the production of plutonium produce radioactive isotopes that contaminate the surrounding area, including the groundwater, air, land, plants, and equipment. As a result, humans and the entire ecosystem are adversely and profoundly affected. - Some of these radioactive isotopes are extraordinarily long-lived, remaining toxic for hundreds of thousands of years. Presently, we are only beginning to observe and experience the consequences of producing nuclear energy - Nuclear waste is produced in many different ways. There are wastes produced in the reactor core, wastes created as a result of radioactive contamination, and wastes produced as a byproduct of uranium mining, refining, and enrichment. The vast majority of radiation in nuclear waste is given off from spent fuel rods. - A typical reactor will generate 20 to 30 tons of high-level nuclear waste annually. There is no known way to safely dispose of this waste, which remains dangerously radioactive until it naturally decays. - The rate of decay of a radioactive isotope is called its half-life, the time in which half the initial amount of atoms present takes to decay. The half-life of Plutonium-239, one particularly lethal component of nuclear waste, is 24,000 years. - The hazardous life of a radioactive element (the length of time that must elapse before the material is considered safe) is at least 10 half-lives. Therefore, Plutonium-239 will remain hazardous for at least 240,000 years. There is a current proposal to dump nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, Nevada. The plan is for Yucca Mountain to hold all of the high level nuclear waste ever produced from every nuclear power plant in the US. However, that would completely fill up the site and not account for future waste. Transporting the wastes by truck and rail would be extremely dangerous. Though some countries reprocess nuclear waste (in essence, preparing it to send through the cycle again to create more energy), this process is banned in the U.S. due to increased proliferation risks, as the reprocessed materials can also be used for making bombs. Reprocessing is also not a solution because it just creates additional nuclear waste. The best action would be to cease producing nuclear energy (and waste), to leave the existing waste where it is, and to immobilize it. There are a few different methods of waste immobilization. In the vitrification process, waste is combined with glass-forming materials and melted. Once the materials solidify, the waste is trapped inside and can't easily be released. source: wagingpeace.org You do realize that those alternative energy sources will take time to enact, right? So why not work on those as well as drill? France uses nuclear energy safely. We need to further technologies to recycle nuclear waste to move away, finally, from relying so heavily on the proposed Yucca Mountain repository for the success of its nuclear program. Sadly, the federal government banned recycling spent fuel in 1977. Nuclear power plants do emit some radiation, but the amounts are environmentally insignificant and pose no threat. These emissions fall well below the legal safety limit sanctioned by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Indeed, less than 1 percent of the public's exposure to radiation comes from nuclear power plants. The average American is exposed to 360 millirem of radiation a year. About 83 percent (300 millirem) of this annual radiation dose comes from natural sources, such as cosmic rays, uranium in the Earth's crust, and radon gas in the atmosphere. Most of the rest comes from medical procedures such as X-rays, and about 3 percent (11 millirem) comes from consumer products. The Department of Energy reports that living near a nuclear power plant exposes a person to 1 millirem of radiation a year. By comparison, an airline passenger who flies from New York to Los Angeles receives 2.5 millirem. Radiation exposure is an unavoidable reality of everyday life, and radiation exposure from living near a nuclear power plant is insignificant. source: http://www.heritage.org/r...bg2087.cfm [Edited 8/18/08 14:53pm] The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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SUPRMAN said: greenpixies said: You don't think solar and wind power will take time? You don't think it will take time to convert everyone to hybrids? Even aside from using oil for automobiles we use oil in other areas of our life. It is one of the top resources we use for energy. It seems irresponsible to not drill in hopes of alternative energy coming to the rescue. We should be exploring nuclear energy and other alternative energies as well as drilling. Also, isn't the earth and all its bounty for mankind to utilize, responsibly, but utilize none the less? The US is the only country in the world that bans using its own natural resources. \Well in that case, let's just strip mine the Western U.S. for coal which we have and can use now. Forget global warming since we can use the planet as irresponsibly as we do everything else. And no we aren't the only country that bans using its own natural resources, or should we open natural parks also because they are just eye candy and we didn't know there was oil or coal to access before we thought to preserve some of this earth for future generations? Reread. You missed my inclusion of the word responsibly. The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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greenpixies said: SUPRMAN said: \Well in that case, let's just strip mine the Western U.S. for coal which we have and can use now. Forget global warming since we can use the planet as irresponsibly as we do everything else. And no we aren't the only country that bans using its own natural resources, or should we open natural parks also because they are just eye candy and we didn't know there was oil or coal to access before we thought to preserve some of this earth for future generations? Reread. You missed my inclusion of the word responsibly. As if we collectively do anything responsibly. We don't because we expect it to be the next person to actually act responsibly. If we acted responsibly, we would have a carbon tax, higher fuel economy mandates, lower national debt etc, etc, etc. So taking out the pipe dream of collective human responsibility does the rest still stand? It can, but it would look different. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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greenpixies said: You do realize that those alternative energy sources will take time to enact, right? So why not work on those as well as drill? You do realize that alternative energy sources could already have replaced nuclear energy and refined oil as main sources of energy in this country? And you do realize that a serious effort by government and industry would be able to achieve this goal faster than off-shore drilling would come to the "rescue"? France uses nuclear energy safely. France's "safe" use of nuclear energy is a myth. Just have a look at a very recent article in the German Spiegel magazine: http://www.spiegel.de/int...26,00.html That's just one example. We need to further technologies to recycle nuclear waste to move away, finally, from relying so heavily on the proposed Yucca Mountain repository for the success of its nuclear program. Sadly, the federal government banned recycling spent fuel in 1977. Nuclear power plants do emit some radiation, but the amounts are environmentally insignificant and pose no threat. These emissions fall well below the legal safety limit sanctioned by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Indeed, less than 1 percent of the public's exposure to radiation comes from nuclear power plants. The average American is exposed to 360 millirem of radiation a year. About 83 percent (300 millirem) of this annual radiation dose comes from natural sources, such as cosmic rays, uranium in the Earth's crust, and radon gas in the atmosphere. Most of the rest comes from medical procedures such as X-rays, and about 3 percent (11 millirem) comes from consumer products. The Department of Energy reports that living near a nuclear power plant exposes a person to 1 millirem of radiation a year. By comparison, an airline passenger who flies from New York to Los Angeles receives 2.5 millirem. Radiation exposure is an unavoidable reality of everyday life, and radiation exposure from living near a nuclear power plant is insignificant. Your info would be correct assuming that the production of nuclear energy and disposal of waste could be handled under safe conditions, but this safety is not guaranteed. Do you want to continue to pollute the world with nuclear waste that will be deadly for another 240,000 years? You Republicans are always so worried about national security, yet you ignore the threats coming from nuclear energy. Besides, in a world in which terrorism is more of a threat to America than ever, nuclear facilities are putting us at an even higher risk, from terrorists attacks aimed at nuclear plants or if nuclear waste gets in the wrong hands ... Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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MrSoulpower said: greenpixies said: You do realize that those alternative energy sources will take time to enact, right? So why not work on those as well as drill? You do realize that alternative energy sources could already have replaced nuclear energy and refined oil as main sources of energy in this country? And you do realize that a serious effort by government and industry would be able to achieve this goal faster than off-shore drilling would come to the "rescue"? France uses nuclear energy safely. France's "safe" use of nuclear energy is a myth. Just have a look at a very recent article in the German Spiegel magazine: http://www.spiegel.de/int...26,00.html That's just one example. We need to further technologies to recycle nuclear waste to move away, finally, from relying so heavily on the proposed Yucca Mountain repository for the success of its nuclear program. Sadly, the federal government banned recycling spent fuel in 1977. Nuclear power plants do emit some radiation, but the amounts are environmentally insignificant and pose no threat. These emissions fall well below the legal safety limit sanctioned by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Indeed, less than 1 percent of the public's exposure to radiation comes from nuclear power plants. The average American is exposed to 360 millirem of radiation a year. About 83 percent (300 millirem) of this annual radiation dose comes from natural sources, such as cosmic rays, uranium in the Earth's crust, and radon gas in the atmosphere. Most of the rest comes from medical procedures such as X-rays, and about 3 percent (11 millirem) comes from consumer products. The Department of Energy reports that living near a nuclear power plant exposes a person to 1 millirem of radiation a year. By comparison, an airline passenger who flies from New York to Los Angeles receives 2.5 millirem. Radiation exposure is an unavoidable reality of everyday life, and radiation exposure from living near a nuclear power plant is insignificant. Your info would be correct assuming that the production of nuclear energy and disposal of waste could be handled under safe conditions, but this safety is not guaranteed. Do you want to continue to pollute the world with nuclear waste that will be deadly for another 240,000 years? You Republicans are always so worried about national security, yet you ignore the threats coming from nuclear energy. Besides, in a world in which terrorism is more of a threat to America than ever, nuclear facilities are putting us at an even higher risk, from terrorists attacks aimed at nuclear plants or if nuclear waste gets in the wrong hands ... A successful terrorist attack against a nuclear power plant could have severe consequences, as would attacks on schools, chemical plants, or ports. However, fear of a terrorist attack is not a sufficient reason to deny society access to any of these critical assets. The United States has 104 commercial nuclear power plants, and there are 446 worldwide. Not one has fallen victim to a successful terrorist attack. Certainly, history should not beget complacency, especially when the stakes are so high. However, the NRC has heightened security and increased safeguards on site to deal with the threat of terrorism. A deliberate or accidental airplane crash into a reactor is often cited as a threat, but nuclear reactors are structurally designed to withstand high-impact airborne threats, such as the impact of a large passenger airplane. Furthermore, the Federal Aviation Administration has instructed pilots to avoid circling or loitering over nuclear or electrical power plants, warning them that such actions will make them subject to interrogation by law enforcement personnel. The right response to terrorist threats to nuclear plants--like threats to anything else--is not to shut them down, but to secure them, defend them, and prepare to manage the consequences in the unlikely event that an incident occurs. Allowing the fear of terrorism to obstruct the significant economic and societal gains from nuclear power is both irrational and unwise. As far as safe transportation. A staggering amount of evidence directly refutes this myth. Nuclear waste has been transported on roads and railways worldwide for years without a significant incident. Indeed, more than 20 million packages with radioactive materials are transported globally each year--3 million of them in the United States. Since 1971, more than 20,000 shipments of spent fuel and high-level waste have been transported more than 18 million miles without incident. Transportation of radioactive materials is just not a problem. The NRC and other regulatory agencies around the world take the strictest precautions when dealing with spent nuclear fuel. The NRC outlines six key components for safeguarding nuclear materials in transit: Use of NRC-certified, structurally rugged overpacks and canisters. Fuel within canisters is dense and in a solid form, not readily dispersible as respirable particles. Advance planning and coordination with local law enforcement along approved routes. Protection of information about schedules. Regular communication between transports and control centers. Armed escorts within heavily populated areas. Vehicle immobility measures to prevent movement of a hijacked shipment before response forces arrive. . [Edited 8/18/08 15:14pm] The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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Pixies, you could at least mention the source for your last post, a story under the headline "Dispelling Myths About Nuclear Energy":
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MrSoulpower said: Pixies, you could at least mention the source for your last post, a story under the headline "Dispelling Myths About Nuclear Energy":
http://www.heritage.org/r...bg2087.cfm Besides, you do know that the Heritage Foundation is not exactly the most unbiased organization to consult about Nuclear Energy? The Foundation is conservative think tank to promote conservative ideals, nuclear energy and anti-alternative energy missions included. But anyway, I'll give it a shot. A successful terrorist attack against a nuclear power plant could have severe consequences, as would attacks on schools, chemical plants, or ports. However, fear of a terrorist attack is not a sufficient reason to deny society access to any of these critical assets. Well, the fear of a terrorist attack was enough for the Heritage Foundation to support the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation that post no threat to the national security of our country. But that doesn't surprise me .. The United States has 104 commercial nuclear power plants, and there are 446 worldwide. Not one has fallen victim to a successful terrorist attack. Great. Before 9/11, no one had ever flown a commercial airliner into a major public building, maybe that's why Bush wasn't too concerned with the warnings.. Ok, I'm done. The rest is just laughable, neo-conservative propaganda pro nuclear energy and against alternative energy ... I posted my source in my first reply on nuclear energy and since we haven't moved from that topic I would assume that you know that that's my source. You do realize that any and every news source, including yours, is biased, right? If I were like you I would say the rest of your posts on nuclear energy are just laughable, liberal, anti-nuclear energy propaganda. I don't because I assume we're both eager to talk about it with the information we're given, biased as it may be, and form wise decisions about it. So why can't we drill and explore alternative energy (nuclear included)? The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.
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I posted my source in my first reply on nuclear energy and since we haven't moved from that topic I would assume that you know that that's my source. You're right, my bad, I didn't see the first link. You do realize that any and every news source, including yours, is biased, right? The Heritage Foundation is not a news source. It's a conservative think tank and openly promotes Republican ideals on its website. If I were like you I would say the rest of your posts on nuclear energy are just laughable, liberal, anti-nuclear energy propaganda. There is a difference here, because I did not get my information from a website/organization that actually makes politics. My sources were The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, which is a non-profit, non-partisan international education and advocacy organization, and the German magazine Der Spiegel, which is the best example of investigative journalism you can find out there. I don't because I assume we're both eager to talk about it with the information we're given, biased as it may be, and form wise decisions about it. So why can't we drill and explore alternative energy (nuclear included)? I think I have already answered this question above. [Edited 8/18/08 15:39pm] Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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I think the more appropriate question is why didn't Bush lift the Executive ban when he had 2 houses willing to pass this legislation? I stay Woke.
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greenpixies said: SUPRMAN said: Do you think, even with offshore drilling there is enough to meet present consumption (let alone future consumption)? It's not there. There is plenty of competition for oil now, which raises prices. It's not about a lack of competition unless you count U.S. boycotts on Iran which reduces supply to world markets. So just because we don't have %100 of our present and future oil needs we shouldn't drill? If I have a mortgage payment of $3,000 and it is known that I can obtain $900 towards it why would I not do what I can to obtain that $900? If you have to wait 10 years to get that $900, it won't help you through 120 monthly payments. I stay Woke.
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MrSoulpower said: greenpixies said: M
I posted my source in my first reply on nuclear energy and since we haven't moved from that topic I would assume that you know that that's my source. You're right, my bad, I didn't see the first link. You do realize that any and every news source, including yours, is biased, right? The Heritage Foundation is not a news source. It's a conservative think tank and openly promotes Republican ideals on its website. If I were like you I would say the rest of your posts on nuclear energy are just laughable, liberal, anti-nuclear energy propaganda. There is a difference here, because I did not get my information from a website/organization that actually makes politics. My sources were The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, which is a non-profit, non-partisan international education and advocacy organization, and the German magazine Der Spiegel, which is the best example of investigative journalism you can find out there. I don't because I assume we're both eager to talk about it with the information we're given, biased as it may be, and form wise decisions about it. So why can't we drill and explore alternative energy (nuclear included)? I think I have already answered this question above. [Edited 8/18/08 15:39pm] Just wanted to say the Heritage Foundation is a news source if you are citing from it. My guess is that they publish their research with the intent that it generate "news." If they were not a "news" source they would not publish anything. I think what you meant was that they are not a media entity. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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