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Preacher's Wife: A Bit Less than Christian Beheaviour

Flight attendant: Osteen's wife pushed co-worker By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
Thu Aug 7, 7:19 PM ET



HOUSTON - The wife of evangelical pastor Joel Osteen got physical when her demands that a small spill on her seat be cleaned up were not immediately met, a flight attendant testified Thursday at a civil trial over the incident.

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Continental Airlines flight attendant Maria Johnson testified that Victoria Osteen grew increasingly agitated and pushed her co-worker Sharon Brown, though the flight attendants had remained professional and reassured her a crew had been called to clean the spill, which was about the size of a 50-cent piece.

"She was demanding that attention be given to her immediately," Johnson said. She added that Victoria Osteen kept saying: "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger."

Brown is suing Victoria Osteen, alleging that she threw her against a bathroom door and elbowed her in the breast before the start of a 2005 flight to Vail, Colo.

Johnson confirmed Brown's claims that Victoria Osteen became so upset she tried to get into the cockpit and had to be physically restrained.

"She took Sharon by the shoulders and pushed her out of the way. Sharon stumbled," Johnson testified.

Rusty Hardin, Victoria Osteen's attorney, said the lawsuit is simply a money grab.

"This is nothing more than an attempted extortion," Hardin told jurors during opening statements in the trial in which he said his client did nothing wrong. While questioning Johnson, Hardin suggested that she and Brown might have overreacted or that Johnson might not have remembered the confrontation correctly.

Just before her testimony concluded, Johnson suggested race might have played a role because of remarks Victoria Osteen made about wanting to deal only with Johnson, who is white, and not with Brown or another flight attendant on the plane, who are black.

Hardin condemned Johnson's claim and pointed out the racial diversity of the congregation at Lakewood Church, of which Victoria Osteen is co-pastor. The Houston church is a converted basketball arena where about 42,000 people flock each week for services where her husband preaches.

Joel Osteen, who was by his wife's side in court Thursday, has written books that have been sold around the globe, and his weekly television address is broadcast nationally and internationally.

Brown's attorney, Reginald McKamie, told jurors during his opening statement that his client was simply doing her job.

"Sharon was attacked by someone in the community who supposedly represents a higher degree of human decency," he said.

Brown's suit claims the flight attendants asked to have Victoria Osteen removed from the plane. Hardin told jurors Victoria Osteen and her family left voluntarily. The incident delayed the flight about 2 1/2 hours.

Hardin admitted that Victoria Osteen can be a "very excitable and expressive person," but that she was never out of control.

"Victoria Osteen never attacked her, never tried to get in the cockpit," Hardin said. "The aggressor and the person who was out of control, who flipped out, was Ms. Brown."

The Osteens were both expected to testify during the trial.

Brown wants an apology and punitive damages amounting to 10 percent of Victoria Osteen's net worth as part of her suit.

"They will say this is about money. But that is the only remedy a jury can offer," McKamie said.

McKamie said Brown, who had undergone reconstructive surgery before the incident on her breasts due to illness, was injured when she was hit on her chest.

Her psychiatrist, Shayna Lee, testified that Brown has suffered depression and post-traumatic stress disorder because of the incident. She also felt disrespected in her role as a leader and as a black woman, and had her faith affected, Lee said.

Brown is also suing Victoria Osteen for medical expenses for counseling.

But Hardin told jurors there is no evidence Brown sustained any injuries, including claims she now suffers from hemorrhoids.

The Federal Aviation Administration fined Victoria Osteen $3,000 for interfering with a crew member.

Hardin told jurors Victoria Osteen paid the FAA fine not because she was guilty but as a way to conclude the matter and avoid any embarrassment for her church.

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Reply #1 posted 08/07/08 10:49pm

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I only know the info based on this article, but it sounds like Osteen doesn't have a leg to stand on.



BTW, whoever came up with the phrase "the customer is always right" obviously never had to deal with people like this. I have, and so has everyone else working in service jobs. The customer is not to be trusted, because more than should be are assholes. neutral

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Reply #2 posted 08/08/08 1:36am

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Rude twat !!

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Reply #3 posted 08/08/08 7:45am

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this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad

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Reply #4 posted 08/08/08 8:01am

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XxAxX said:

this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad


Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

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Reply #5 posted 08/08/08 8:13am

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XxAxX said:

this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad

the power of Christ compels you to clean thy aeroplane!!!

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Reply #6 posted 08/08/08 8:25am

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I wouldve thought the Olsteens had thier own private jet, as much moola as they got.

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Reply #7 posted 08/08/08 9:32am

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Mach said:

XxAxX said:

this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad


Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

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She meant to say she was a NO-class passenger! ohgoon

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Reply #8 posted 08/08/08 9:34am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Mach said:



Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

neutral loser


She meant to say she was a NO-class passenger! ohgoon


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Reply #9 posted 08/08/08 10:18am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Mach said:



Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

neutral loser


She meant to say she was a NO-class passenger! ohgoon


falloff

I know we all have our little fit moments but jeeze lol

Just reminds me of a spoiled young child is all

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Reply #10 posted 08/08/08 10:25am

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Mach said:

XxAxX said:

this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad


Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

neutral loser



don't you know who i *AM* ???!!! YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!!! mad

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Reply #11 posted 08/08/08 10:26am

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ehuffnsd said:

XxAxX said:

this plane ain't SHINY enough! arrrgggghhhh bitchfight mad

the power of Christ compels you to clean thy aeroplane!!!



BOW DOWN BEFORE ME ALL YOU PLANE-CLEANING PEASANTS! evil biggrin

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Reply #12 posted 08/08/08 10:30am

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XxAxX said:

Mach said:



Waaaaa "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger." Boo fuckin hoooo

rolleyes

Good god

neutral loser



don't you know who i *AM* ???!!! YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!!! mad


tisk tisk unbalanced ego much ? (her) lol

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Reply #13 posted 08/08/08 10:31am

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Mach said:

XxAxX said:




don't you know who i *AM* ???!!! YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!!! mad


tisk tisk unbalanced ego much ? (her) lol


she must have been having a REALLY bad day nod

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Reply #14 posted 08/08/08 10:33am

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XxAxX said:

Mach said:



tisk tisk unbalanced ego much ? (her) lol


she must have been having a REALLY bad day nod


Should pray for patience, understanding and forgiveness nod

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Reply #15 posted 08/08/08 10:34am

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Mach said:

XxAxX said:



she must have been having a REALLY bad day nod


Should pray for patience, understanding and forgiveness nod


and, cleaner planes nod

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Reply #16 posted 08/08/08 10:36am

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Mach said:

XxAxX said:



she must have been having a REALLY bad day nod


Should pray for patience, understanding and forgiveness nod


She'd do better praying for all of that for the Jury! lol

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Reply #17 posted 08/08/08 10:38am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Mach said:



Should pray for patience, understanding and forgiveness nod


She'd do better praying for all of that for the Jury! lol


and her creepy husband

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Reply #18 posted 08/08/08 11:14am

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Mach said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



She'd do better praying for all of that for the Jury! lol


and her creepy husband


Well yeah but I'm not sure even prayer can help with that! giggle

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Reply #19 posted 08/08/08 1:32pm

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Osteen's wife denies assaulting flight attendant 29 minutes ago



HOUSTON - The wife of evangelist Joel Osteen has testified that she did not assault a flight attendant over a spill on her first-class seat. Victoria Osteen said Friday she was dumbfounded that Continental Airlines attendant Sharon Brown accused her of assault before a 2005 flight to Colorado.

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Brown alleges in her lawsuit that Victoria Osteen attacked her when she didn't get her way after a small spill wasn't quickly cleaned up. But Osteen testified it was Brown who became upset.

Joel Osteen testified earlier Friday. He supported his wife's claim and called the incident a misunderstanding.

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Reply #20 posted 08/08/08 2:39pm

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CLEAN THAT UP RIGHT NOW! YOU HEARD ME I SAID RIGHT NOW!!!!!

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Reply #21 posted 08/08/08 3:13pm

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WWJD?
JESUS would get off of his cross and wipe that spot himself...

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In court room testimony Victoria Oosteen shows how ended up cleaning the spot by parting it like Moses...

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Reply #23 posted 08/08/08 3:37pm

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In court room testimony Victoria Oosteen shows how ended up cleaning the spot by parting it like Moses...
Her and her husband are some scary looking mofos.

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ehuffnsd said:

Osteen's wife denies assaulting flight attendant 29 minutes ago



HOUSTON - The wife of evangelist Joel Osteen has testified that she did not assault a flight attendant over a spill on her first-class seat. Victoria Osteen said Friday she was dumbfounded that Continental Airlines attendant Sharon Brown accused her of assault before a 2005 flight to Colorado.

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Brown alleges in her lawsuit that Victoria Osteen attacked her when she didn't get her way after a small spill wasn't quickly cleaned up. But Osteen testified it was Brown who became upset.

Joel Osteen testified earlier Friday. He supported his wife's claim and called the incident a misunderstanding.



I had to deal with a customer like this winner today. Looked just like her too, come to think.

That bitch deserves a punch in the teeth. I cannot stand people who think they have the right to treat waitresses/cashiers/flight attendents/you name it like shit.

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meow85 said:

I only know the info based on this article, but it sounds like Osteen doesn't have a leg to stand on.



BTW, whoever came up with the phrase "the customer is always right" obviously never had to deal with people like this. I have, and so has everyone else working in service jobs. The customer is not to be trusted, because more than should be are assholes. neutral

I think that business came up with that slogan because in a job, the customer is the most important person,
without a customer, there can be no business.
But I hate when people take advantage of that to abuse the employee.

There was one time when I've had to deal with an extremely rude customer and he was quite abusive,
so I just refused to help him and gave him his money back and said I would not serve him.
I thought I would get into trouble for this because he talked to my manager and even called the main office.
In the end, my job took my side because he was cussing and kept refering to me using deragatory names.
lol
The customer isn't always right.


Then again, I think it's an art in how to deal with customers, a talent I don't have.
lol

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But cleanliness is next to Godliness, Your Honor!

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Reply #27 posted 08/09/08 7:28am

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Stymie said:

ehuffnsd said:


In court room testimony Victoria Oosteen shows how ended up cleaning the spot by parting it like Moses...
Her and her husband are some scary looking mofos.



The power of Christ compels them nod

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Reply #28 posted 08/10/08 12:19am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

meow85 said:

I only know the info based on this article, but it sounds like Osteen doesn't have a leg to stand on.



BTW, whoever came up with the phrase "the customer is always right" obviously never had to deal with people like this. I have, and so has everyone else working in service jobs. The customer is not to be trusted, because more than should be are assholes. neutral

I think that business came up with that slogan because in a job, the customer is the most important person,
without a customer, there can be no business.
But I hate when people take advantage of that to abuse the employee.

There was one time when I've had to deal with an extremely rude customer and he was quite abusive,
so I just refused to help him and gave him his money back and said I would not serve him.
I thought I would get into trouble for this because he talked to my manager and even called the main office.
In the end, my job took my side because he was cussing and kept refering to me using deragatory names.
lol
The customer isn't always right.


Then again, I think it's an art in how to deal with customers, a talent I don't have.
lol


Normally I handle difficult customers fairly well, but there's always going to be some winner who decides to make a scene and make shit harder than it needs to be. You just can't please some people.

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Reply #29 posted 08/10/08 4:20am

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meow85 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:


I think that business came up with that slogan because in a job, the customer is the most important person,
without a customer, there can be no business.
But I hate when people take advantage of that to abuse the employee.

There was one time when I've had to deal with an extremely rude customer and he was quite abusive,
so I just refused to help him and gave him his money back and said I would not serve him.
I thought I would get into trouble for this because he talked to my manager and even called the main office.
In the end, my job took my side because he was cussing and kept refering to me using deragatory names.
lol
The customer isn't always right.


Then again, I think it's an art in how to deal with customers, a talent I don't have.
lol


Normally I handle difficult customers fairly well, but there's always going to be some winner who decides to make a scene and make shit harder than it needs to be. You just can't please some people.

So true!


Here's some philosophy that customers should observe when dealing with service personel:
(a friend shared this bit with me)





BE COOL TO THE PIZZA DUDE/CHICK!
by Sarah Adams


If I have one operating philosophy about life it is this: "Be cool to the pizza delivery dude; it's good luck." Four principles guide the pizza dude philosophy.

Principle 1: Coolness to the pizza delivery dude is a practice in humility and forgiveness. I let him cut me off in traffic, let him safely hit the exit ramp from the left lane, let him forget to use his blinker without extending any of my digits out the window or towards my horn because there should be one moment in my harried life when a car may encroach or cut off or pass and I let it go. Sometimes when I have become so certain of my ownership of my lane, daring anyone to challenge me, the pizza dude speeds by me in his rusted Chevette. His pizza light atop his car glowing like a beacon reminds me to check myself as I flow through the world. After all, the dude is delivering pizza to young and old, families and singletons, gays and straights, blacks, whites and browns, rich and poor, vegetarians and meat lovers alike. As he journeys, I give safe passage, practice restraint, show courtesy, and contain my anger.

Principle 2: Coolness to the pizza delivery dude is a practice in empathy. Let's face it: We've all taken jobs just to have a job because some money is better than none. I've held an assortment of these jobs and was grateful for the paycheck that meant I didn't have to share my Cheerios with my cats. In the big pizza wheel of life, sometimes you're the hot bubbly cheese and sometimes you're the burnt crust. It's good to remember the fickle spinning of that wheel.

Principle 3: Coolness to the pizza delivery dude is a practice in honor and it reminds me to honor honest work. Let me tell you something about these dudes: They never took over a company and, as CEO, artificially inflated the value of the stock and cashed out their own shares, bringing the company to the brink of bankruptcy, resulting in 20,000 people losing their jobs while the CEO builds a home the size of a luxury hotel. Rather, the dudes sleep the sleep of the just.

Principle 4: Coolness to the pizza delivery dude is a practice in equality. My measurement as a human being, my worth, is the pride I take in performing my job -- any job -- and the respect with which I treat others. I am the equal of the world not because of the car I drive, the size of the TV I own, the weight I can bench press, or the calculus equations I can solve. I am the equal to all I meet because of the kindness in my heart. And it all starts here -- with the pizza delivery dude.

Tip him well, friends and brethren, for that which you bestow freely and willingly will bring you all the happy luck that a grateful universe knows how to return.

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