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Sniffer Dogs to wear 'muslim' bootees Stuart MacDonald
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the more I read stories coming out of the UK, the more Im actually glad to be in America, atleast for now. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11" | |
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Good. People of other faiths should not be disrespected. | |
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Allowing another human the dignity and respect that every human is entitled to is a basic requirement for living.
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thepope2the9s said: the more I read stories coming out of the UK, the more Im actually glad to be in America, atleast for now.
we have simnilar issues being raised here in the USA. for example, here in minneapolis we have muslim cab drivers who work at the minneapolis international airport and yet refuse to transport individuals who are carrying alcohol. and, muslim sales clerks working at target stores who refuse to ring up purchases of anything cataining pork. i believe it is important to allow people the freedom to live spiritually, according to their belief system. BUT people who immigrate to a foreign culture and expect to be assimilated and respected need to apply the same set of requirements to themselves. to some extent they need to adhere to, and respect, the culture to which they have relocated. in this case of the sniffer dogs i think muslim citizens need to accept that the police will use methods acceptable to the majority of british citizens, and should understand that necessarily muslim doctrine will not always be strictly observed. just my 2c | |
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Stymie said: Good. People of other faiths should not be disrespected.
then here in america, as any public service or facility that fails to observe or accommodate a religion tenet or practice can be construed as 'offense' or 'disrespect' of a religion then that would perforce entail the impositions, by government, of religion(s) upon the state. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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HiinEnkelte said: Stymie said: Good. People of other faiths should not be disrespected.
then here in america, as any public service or facility that fails to observe or accommodate a religion tenet or practice can be construed as 'offense' or 'disrespect' of a religion then that would perforce entail the impositions, by government, of religion(s) upon the state. | |
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kiki25 said: Allowing another human the dignity and respect that every human is entitled to is a basic requirement for living.
If you disrespect another human then please do not expect respect in return. I have no doubt that if a basic dignity that you held close was trampled upon then you would feel degraded and disrespected. Why should another human not be entitled to the same treatment as you? Oh yes...because he/she is of a different faith and not American |
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XxAxX said: thepope2the9s said: the more I read stories coming out of the UK, the more Im actually glad to be in America, atleast for now.
we have simnilar issues being raised here in the USA. for example, here in minneapolis we have muslim cab drivers who work at the minneapolis international airport and yet refuse to transport individuals who are carrying alcohol. and, muslim sales clerks working at target stores who refuse to ring up purchases of anything cataining pork. i believe it is important to allow people the freedom to live spiritually, according to their belief system. BUT people who immigrate to a foreign culture and expect to be assimilated and respected need to apply the same set of requirements to themselves. to some extent they need to adhere to, and respect, the culture to which they have relocated. in this case of the sniffer dogs i think muslim citizens need to accept that the police will use methods acceptable to the majority of british citizens, and should understand that necessarily muslim doctrine will not always be strictly observed. just my 2c yup | |
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kiki25 said: Allowing another human the dignity and respect that every human is entitled to is a basic requirement for living.
If you disrespect another human then please do not expect respect in return. I have no doubt that if a basic dignity that you held close was trampled upon then you would feel degraded and disrespected. Why should another human not be entitled to the same treatment as you? Oh yes...because he/she is of a different faith and not American This has nothing to do with being of a different faith or a non american. I guess some people just dont get it. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11" | |
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thepope2the9s said: kiki25 said: Allowing another human the dignity and respect that every human is entitled to is a basic requirement for living.
If you disrespect another human then please do not expect respect in return. I have no doubt that if a basic dignity that you held close was trampled upon then you would feel degraded and disrespected. Why should another human not be entitled to the same treatment as you? Oh yes...because he/she is of a different faith and not American This has nothing to do with being of a different faith or a non american. I guess some people just dont get it. Explain why another human does not deserve dignity and respect then please. Perhaps i do not understand. | |
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I don't think you'll bury somethin' smelly,
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It's absolutely no harm to the dog, and the extra effort goes a long way to maintaining peace and respect. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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kiki25 said: thepope2the9s said: This has nothing to do with being of a different faith or a non american. I guess some people just dont get it. Explain why another human does not deserve dignity and respect then please. Perhaps i do not understand. No use trying to explain anything to an American ... [Edited 7/7/08 10:13am] | |
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morningsong said: It's absolutely no harm to the dog, and the extra effort goes a long way to maintaining peace and respect.
True. In the hospital where I work, there is a sabbath elevator for people of the Jewish faith. On Fridays, it goes local and stops on every floor. Obviously this is done out of respect for people of that particular faith that need to use that elevator. Someone told me it had something to do with not touching the elevator buttion (??) I don't know, maybe someone of the Jewish faith can hip me to why this is done? So yeah, even though they have immigrants of the Jewish faith living here, apparently the hospital did this out of respect for their faith, even though many citizens, when they see this, don't understand why, and are also a little prejudice that it was done specifically for a particular group. I believe people should assimilate to the American culture, but we also have to remember that we all have subcultures and other customs that really should be respected as well, although we may not agree. Many times, Americans that are born here, tend to forget that we are all individuals with various religious beliefs and customs, passed down to us from many generations of our families. As long as you abide by the American law and don't cause harm to anyone, then I have no problem respecting someone's else's religious beliefs. [Edited 7/7/08 10:18am] http://prince.org/msg/15/286132
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pplrain said: kiki25 said: Explain why another human does not deserve dignity and respect then please. Perhaps i do not understand. No use trying to explain anything to an American ... [Edited 7/7/08 10:13am] Dignity and respect are vital to any human being. But we cannot bow down to every belief,ritual,or taboo just to appease a few. It is madness. Regardless, we cannot please everyone. Someobody is always offended. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful WORKS OF DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE THEM.. Ephesians 5:11" | |
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XxAxX said: thepope2the9s said: the more I read stories coming out of the UK, the more Im actually glad to be in America, atleast for now.
we have simnilar issues being raised here in the USA. for example, here in minneapolis we have muslim cab drivers who work at the minneapolis international airport and yet refuse to transport individuals who are carrying alcohol. and, muslim sales clerks working at target stores who refuse to ring up purchases of anything cataining pork. i believe it is important to allow people the freedom to live spiritually, according to their belief system. BUT people who immigrate to a foreign culture and expect to be assimilated and respected need to apply the same set of requirements to themselves. to some extent they need to adhere to, and respect, the culture to which they have relocated. in this case of the sniffer dogs i think muslim citizens need to accept that the police will use methods acceptable to the majority of british citizens, and should understand that necessarily muslim doctrine will not always be strictly observed. just my 2c Because they are a different faith, they nor their faith are worthy of being respected? Regardless of where they are. Freedom of worship should also mean respect for those who worship differently. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: XxAxX said: we have simnilar issues being raised here in the USA. for example, here in minneapolis we have muslim cab drivers who work at the minneapolis international airport and yet refuse to transport individuals who are carrying alcohol. and, muslim sales clerks working at target stores who refuse to ring up purchases of anything cataining pork. i believe it is important to allow people the freedom to live spiritually, according to their belief system. BUT people who immigrate to a foreign culture and expect to be assimilated and respected need to apply the same set of requirements to themselves. to some extent they need to adhere to, and respect, the culture to which they have relocated. in this case of the sniffer dogs i think muslim citizens need to accept that the police will use methods acceptable to the majority of british citizens, and should understand that necessarily muslim doctrine will not always be strictly observed. just my 2c Because they are a different faith, they nor their faith are worthy of being respected? Regardless of where they are. Freedom of worship should also mean respect for those who worship differently. | |
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SUPRMAN said: XxAxX said: we have simnilar issues being raised here in the USA. for example, here in minneapolis we have muslim cab drivers who work at the minneapolis international airport and yet refuse to transport individuals who are carrying alcohol. and, muslim sales clerks working at target stores who refuse to ring up purchases of anything cataining pork. i believe it is important to allow people the freedom to live spiritually, according to their belief system. BUT people who immigrate to a foreign culture and expect to be assimilated and respected need to apply the same set of requirements to themselves. to some extent they need to adhere to, and respect, the culture to which they have relocated. in this case of the sniffer dogs i think muslim citizens need to accept that the police will use methods acceptable to the majority of british citizens, and should understand that necessarily muslim doctrine will not always be strictly observed. just my 2c Because they are a different faith, they nor their faith are worthy of being respected? Regardless of where they are. Freedom of worship should also mean respect for those who worship differently. i agree. BUT imo in situations when an individual is 1) being paid to do a specific job, and 2) a citizen is required to obey the law, then said citizen's rights to assertion of religious preferences take second place to the common good. [Edited 7/7/08 11:04am] | |
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XxAxX said: SUPRMAN said: Because they are a different faith, they nor their faith are worthy of being respected? Regardless of where they are. Freedom of worship should also mean respect for those who worship differently. i agree. BUT imo in situations when an individual is 1) being paid to do a specific job, and 2) a citizen is required to obey the law, then said citizen's rights to assertion of religious preferences take second place to the common good. [Edited 7/7/08 11:04am] Therefore a doctor cannot refuse to perform an abortion based on religious reasons. There also should not be blue laws because that places religious preference over the common good. There are other example but the point being, if religious preferences take second place it should be ALL religious preferences not just those of other faiths. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: XxAxX said: i agree. BUT imo in situations when an individual is 1) being paid to do a specific job, and 2) a citizen is required to obey the law, then said citizen's rights to assertion of religious preferences take second place to the common good. [Edited 7/7/08 11:04am] Therefore a doctor cannot refuse to perform an abortion based on religious reasons. There also should not be blue laws because that places religious preference over the common good. There are other example but the point being, if religious preferences take second place it should be ALL religious preferences not just those of other faiths. i agree. | |
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SUPRMAN said: XxAxX said: i agree. BUT imo in situations when an individual is 1) being paid to do a specific job, and 2) a citizen is required to obey the law, then said citizen's rights to assertion of religious preferences take second place to the common good. [Edited 7/7/08 11:04am] Therefore a doctor cannot refuse to perform an abortion based on religious reasons. There also should not be blue laws because that places religious preference over the common good. There are other example but the point being, if religious preferences take second place it should be ALL religious preferences not just those of other faiths. in San Diego people are being reassigned who work for the county but refuse to perform gay weddings. [Edited 7/7/08 11:40am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: SUPRMAN said: Therefore a doctor cannot refuse to perform an abortion based on religious reasons. There also should not be blue laws because that places religious preference over the common good. There are other example but the point being, if religious preferences take second place it should be ALL religious preferences not just those of other faiths. in San Diego people are being reassigned who work for the county but refuse to perform gay weddings. [Edited 7/7/08 11:40am] wow. interesting they are being reassigned, and not fired. did i mention i SD?? you progressive folks, you ![]() [Edited 7/7/08 11:42am] | |
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XxAxX said: ehuffnsd said: in San Diego people are being reassigned who work for the county but refuse to perform gay weddings. [Edited 7/7/08 11:40am] wow. interesting they are being reassigned, and not fired. did i mention i SD?? you progressive folks, you
[Edited 7/7/08 11:42am] they have to be reassigned because they are claiming freedom of religion. | |
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thepope2the9s said: pplrain said: No use trying to explain anything to an American ... [Edited 7/7/08 10:13am] Dignity and respect are vital to any human being. But we cannot bow down to every belief,ritual,or taboo just to appease a few. It is madness. Regardless, we cannot please everyone. Someobody is always offended. Ok i understand now, this offends you so it must be stopped, but offending them is ok. It appears my original idea was correct, different religion and different nation = less dignity and less respect. [Edited 7/7/08 12:06pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: XxAxX said: wow. interesting they are being reassigned, and not fired. did i mention i SD?? you progressive folks, you
[Edited 7/7/08 11:42am] they have to be reassigned because they are claiming freedom of religion. interestingly, this is an argument both sides can make | |
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KoolEaze said: First things first, this is my favorite bitch ....my good friend..she loves me and I love her ! My favorite Jack Russell terrier, the one and only Ophelia !
So much for that ! Now, about the sniffing dogs and the cab drivers in Minneapolis,and the Muslim staff at Target refusing to touch pork or whatever...IT`S RIDICULOUS ! The sniffing dogs thingy sounds OK, I guess...but ,if you have serious evidence that someone is indeed a drug dealer, then he or she is not even to be considered a devout Muslim to begin with, and his or her religous beliefs should therefore come AFTER the law. Then again , this does sound good in theory but I know from personal experience with the police that they sometimes love to humiliate ethnic minorities, at least they were like that when I was a teenager. I don´t find it necessary to have the dogs wear bootees if the police is sure that there are indeed drugs in the apartment but,as I said,many innocent people´s feelings and dignity will probably be hurt and humiliated before they even catch onedrug dealer,so it IS a touchy subject. However,all in all,I have no problem with it and I wonder how the police in very strict Muslim societies handle this issue. I respect Britain´s "Live and let live " attitude and their multicultural approach but,speaking as someone who stems from that background that´s often under scrutiny these days, I think the British have taken it a bit too far over the years and have let in too many weirdos who give the majority of law abiding British citizens of the Islamic faith a bad name. Even I felt uncomfortable at times when I first walked through Finsbury a couple of years ago. There are simply too many people there with questionable attitudes, and some of them shouldn´t have been let into the UK in the first place, or better yet kicked out as soon as they showed their true colors, like that Abu Hamza guy. It baffles me how he could stay in the UK for that long and spread his hateful message. And some of those cab drivers in Minneapolis should get their license revoked because , hello, if you don´t want to transport people from A to B because they have alcohol in their bags or a dog with them or whatever,then they shouldn´t work as a cabdriver at all. I mean, I have heard of cabdrivers who refused their service to blind people who had a guide dog with them or who had bought duty free alcohol at a foreign airport,and these cabdrivers REFUSED to transport them. They should either not work as cabdrivers at all, especially AT THE AIRPORT, of all places, or get a reality check as soon as possible. If they´re that devout and true to their faith, they should not take those jobs to begin with,it´s as simple as that because where do you draw the line ? Someone is always going to feel offended. Hindus might as well sue some cheesesteak sandwhich stand because they might feel offended by the smell of grilled beef. If they don´t want to handle pork or alcohol,then the most logical and best thing to do would be to not work at such places at all. If some women refuse to take off their veil for their drivers license picture or their ID,then they should not drive a car at all or take it off and thank God/Allah that at least they have made it to a country where women are allowed to drive a car at all, unlike some of their home countries. Some of this stuff is causing great harm to interreligous and intercultural relations just because a few hardliners think they deserve special treatment. [Edited 7/7/08 12:20pm] preach it! | |
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KoolEaze said: First things first, this is my favorite bitch ....my good friend..she loves me and I love her ! My favorite Jack Russell terrier, the one and only Ophelia !
So much for that ! Now, about the sniffing dogs and the cab drivers in Minneapolis,and the Muslim staff at Target refusing to touch pork or whatever...IT`S RIDICULOUS ! The sniffing dogs thingy sounds OK, I guess...but ,if you have serious evidence that someone is indeed a drug dealer, then he or she is not even to be considered a devout Muslim to begin with, and his or her religous beliefs should therefore come AFTER the law. Then again , this does sound good in theory but I know from personal experience with the police that they sometimes love to humiliate ethnic minorities, at least they were like that when I was a teenager. I don´t find it necessary to have the dogs wear bootees if the police is sure that there are indeed drugs in the apartment but,as I said,many innocent people´s feelings and dignity will probably be hurt and humiliated before they even catch onedrug dealer,so it IS a touchy subject. However,all in all,I have no problem with it and I wonder how the police in very strict Muslim societies handle this issue. I respect Britain´s "Live and let live " attitude and their multicultural approach but,speaking as someone who stems from that background that´s often under scrutiny these days, I think the British have taken it a bit too far over the years and have let in too many weirdos who give the majority of law abiding British citizens of the Islamic faith a bad name. Even I felt uncomfortable at times when I first walked through Finsbury a couple of years ago. There are simply too many people there with questionable attitudes, and some of them shouldn´t have been let into the UK in the first place, or better yet kicked out as soon as they showed their true colors, like that Abu Hamza guy. It baffles me how he could stay in the UK for that long and spread his hateful message. And some of those cab drivers in Minneapolis should get their license revoked because , hello, if you don´t want to transport people from A to B because they have alcohol in their bags or a dog with them or whatever,then they shouldn´t work as a cabdriver at all. I mean, I have heard of cabdrivers who refused their service to blind people who had a guide dog with them or who had bought duty free alcohol at a foreign airport,and these cabdrivers REFUSED to transport them. They should either not work as cabdrivers at all, especially AT THE AIRPORT, of all places, or get a reality check as soon as possible. If they´re that devout and true to their faith, they should not take those jobs to begin with,it´s as simple as that because where do you draw the line ? Someone is always going to feel offended. Hindus might as well sue some cheesesteak sandwhich stand because they might feel offended by the smell of grilled beef. If they don´t want to handle pork or alcohol,then the most logical and best thing to do would be to not work at such places at all. If some women refuse to take off their veil for their drivers license picture or their ID,then they should not drive a car at all or take it off and thank God/Allah that at least they have made it to a country where women are allowed to drive a car at all, unlike some of their home countries. Some of this stuff is causing great harm to interreligous and intercultural relations just because a few hardliners think they deserve special treatment. [Edited 7/7/08 12:20pm] | |
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