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Why wear the Cross? I have always wondered why people wear the Cross. I understand that people will say that it is an outward showing of their beliefs but I wonder if (as a scenario) if someone shot your Son or Daughter (say to save someone else)and because of their sacrifice you would wear a bullet around your neck or whatever device killed them. I know myself that I would not.
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blueblossom said: I have always wondered why people wear the Cross. I understand that people will say that it is an outward showing of their beliefs but I wonder if (as a scenario) if someone shot your Son or Daughter (say to save someone else)and because of their sacrifice you would wear a bullet around your neck or whatever device killed them. I know myself that I would not.
I cannot see in the Bible or anywhere else where it says wear the Cross. If Jesus said when I die on the Cross (or whatever you believe he died on) and wear it in Faith I would be the first to don the Cross but it doesn't does it? Do you think that people wear the Cross to acknowledge his sacrifice? I still would not wear it. I hate the Cross because it killed him. He died a horrible death. Thousands of people of died on them. They were a sacrificing instruments. Am I wrong to think the way I do? Have I got it wrong? What are your opinions on this subject. Also what is the history of the Cross and who were the first people to start wearing it. I am in the same thought as you. People even kiss them and say it's not a form of worship. | |
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I would think people wear it as a reminder of the sins that Jesus Christ carried for us. Someone once shared with me that they carried energized crystals with them as a tool to focus their own positive energy, perhaps this is along the same lines of thinking. Whatever your beliefs, they are not wrong. ~When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours~ | |
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If you're against wearing it don't. Personally, I've chosen never to wear one. But it's only a object it doesn't make or break anything. If it's a healthy reminder for someone in their walk more power to them, they ought to do what they got to do. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man."  General Ann Dunwoody | |
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MuaPetahl said: I would think people wear it as a reminder of the sins that Jesus Christ carried for us. Someone once shared with me that they carried energized crystals with them as a tool to focus their own positive energy, perhaps this is along the same lines of thinking. Whatever your beliefs, they are not wrong.
But as a Christian religion - what if the Cross if pagan? You are then focusing your energies on something that is fundamentally wrong. Also isn't the power of prayer supposed to focus all our spiritual energy on. Also do people really need reminding that Jesus died for them? I would not wear a bullet etc around my neck to remind me that a person died for me. It would be with me constantly. I am not being argumentative here I am just questioning. [Edited 7/2/08 14:30pm] "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it"
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morningsong said: If you're against wearing it don't. Personally, I've chosen never to wear one. But it's only a object it doesn't make or break anything. If it's a healthy reminder for someone in their walk more power to them, they ought to do what they got to do.
But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it"
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blueblossom said: morningsong said: If you're against wearing it don't. Personally, I've chosen never to wear one. But it's only a object it doesn't make or break anything. If it's a healthy reminder for someone in their walk more power to them, they ought to do what they got to do.
But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. Our conduct and dress should show we are christian, a symbol doesn't do that really. I mean crooks can wear them right? | |
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rodman2 said: blueblossom said: But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. Our conduct and dress should show we are christian, a symbol doesn't do that really. I mean crooks can wear them right? you're on the nail there. How you act should show who you are. "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it"
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blueblossom said: morningsong said: If you're against wearing it don't. Personally, I've chosen never to wear one. But it's only a object it doesn't make or break anything. If it's a healthy reminder for someone in their walk more power to them, they ought to do what they got to do.
But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. I guess it is what you make of it. Personally, a man-made symbol is just a man-made symbol, the power is in God, not in any object. So, no, as far as I'm concerned if I see someone wearing something I just think it's more cultural than actual faith. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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blueblossom said: MuaPetahl said: I would think people wear it as a reminder of the sins that Jesus Christ carried for us. Someone once shared with me that they carried energized crystals with them as a tool to focus their own positive energy, perhaps this is along the same lines of thinking. Whatever your beliefs, they are not wrong.
But as a Christian religion - what if the Cross if pagan? You are then focusing your energies on something that is fundamentally wrong. Also isn't the power of prayer supposed to focus all our spiritual energy on. Also do people really need reminding that Jesus died for them? I would not wear a bullet etc around my neck to remind me that a person died for me. It would be with me constantly. I am not being argumentative here I am just questioning. [Edited 7/2/08 14:30pm] For that matter, most religions have an heiarchy established. Collectively, their members follow their appointed "leader". They build a "House of Worship" - Churches, Temples, Kingdom Halls - all tools to help in mankind in its spiritual journey. I don't know that any one religion can claim to be the "correct" one. I do know that the intentions behind all of them are good. ~When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours~ | |
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morningsong said: blueblossom said: But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. I guess it is what you make of it. Personally, a man-made symbol is just a man-made symbol, the power is in God, not in any object. So, no, as far as I'm concerned if I see someone wearing something I just think it's more cultural than actual faith. Don't you think that is a sign of times here when people start to think of it as a cultural thing than a symbol of faith? "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it"
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MuaPetahl said: blueblossom said: But as a Christian religion - what if the Cross if pagan? You are then focusing your energies on something that is fundamentally wrong. Also isn't the power of prayer supposed to focus all our spiritual energy on. Also do people really need reminding that Jesus died for them? I would not wear a bullet etc around my neck to remind me that a person died for me. It would be with me constantly. I am not being argumentative here I am just questioning. [Edited 7/2/08 14:30pm] For that matter, most religions have an heiarchy established. Collectively, their members follow their appointed "leader". They build a "House of Worship" - Churches, Temples, Kingdom Halls - all tools to help in mankind in its spiritual journey. I don't know that any one religion can claim to be the "correct" one. I do know that the intentions behind all of them are good. Maybe look a little closer, see which religions are in wars, in governments,etc. It will get narrowed down big time. | |
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blueblossom said: morningsong said: I guess it is what you make of it. Personally, a man-made symbol is just a man-made symbol, the power is in God, not in any object. So, no, as far as I'm concerned if I see someone wearing something I just think it's more cultural than actual faith. Don't you think that is a sign of times here when people start to think of it as a cultural thing than a symbol of faith? No. It's just a thing. People are more willing to lay their life down over a symbol than lay it down for their faith, that's more a sign of the times to me. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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I don't personally own a cross,but I have no problems with people who wear them for whatever reasons they care to express.For some it's just jewelry, some it is a reminder of Christ's sacrifice.There is plenty of historical evidence for Christ dying on a cross, and almost no historical support for him dying on a stake.
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It can be BOTH a cultural thing AND a symbol of faith.
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blueblossom said: I have always wondered why people wear the Cross. I understand that people will say that it is an outward showing of their beliefs but I wonder if (as a scenario) if someone shot your Son or Daughter (say to save someone else)and because of their sacrifice you would wear a bullet around your neck or whatever device killed them. I know myself that I would not.
I cannot see in the Bible or anywhere else where it says wear the Cross. If Jesus said when I die on the Cross (or whatever you believe he died on) and wear it in Faith I would be the first to don the Cross but it doesn't does it? Do you think that people wear the Cross to acknowledge his sacrifice? I still would not wear it. I hate the Cross because it killed him. He died a horrible death. Thousands of people of died on them. They were a sacrificing instruments. Am I wrong to think the way I do? Have I got it wrong? What are your opinions on this subject. Also what is the history of the Cross and who were the first people to start wearing it. It seems to me the Loaves and Fishes symbols that some people don would be a more appropriate signifier of one's faith, especially considering a) the corss was the instrument of Jesus' death, and b) there is still debate about whether Christ died on a cross, or a stauros, or by some other means. Not only is there no debate about the miracle of feeding thousands with so little food, but IMO it's a much more positive image and more significant in terms of the man's life. It may have been his death and resurrection that is central to the faith, but those would have been meaningless wihtout his life and his works. That not being the case, Lazarus -another man who died and rose -might be central to the modern religion. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.  | |
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blueblossom said: I have always wondered why people wear the Cross. I understand that people will say that it is an outward showing of their beliefs but I wonder if (as a scenario) if someone shot your Son or Daughter (say to save someone else)and because of their sacrifice you would wear a bullet around your neck or whatever device killed them. I know myself that I would not.
I cannot see in the Bible or anywhere else where it says wear the Cross. If Jesus said when I die on the Cross (or whatever you believe he died on) and wear it in Faith I would be the first to don the Cross but it doesn't does it? Do you think that people wear the Cross to acknowledge his sacrifice? I still would not wear it. I hate the Cross because it killed him. He died a horrible death. Thousands of people of died on them. They were a sacrificing instruments. Am I wrong to think the way I do? Have I got it wrong? What are your opinions on this subject. Also what is the history of the Cross and who were the first people to start wearing it. im in agreement with you .. No, you dont have it wrong ... in those times dying on the cross was one of the most horrific deaths, the Romans specialized in torture and I know folks wear the cross as a fashion statement, like they're glamorizing the cross... but there was nothing glamourous about Jesus' death, He was unrecognizable, they tortured Him so badly .. No, i dont wear crosses and i would not wear them... | |
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rodman2 said: Our conduct and dress should show we are christian, a symbol doesn't do that really. I mean crooks can wear them right? In Daddy's house everyone is welcome. So what? Christ allowed tax collectors and prostitutes to walk in his presence; crooks can't wear a cross? Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Flowerz said: blueblossom said: I have always wondered why people wear the Cross. I understand that people will say that it is an outward showing of their beliefs but I wonder if (as a scenario) if someone shot your Son or Daughter (say to save someone else)and because of their sacrifice you would wear a bullet around your neck or whatever device killed them. I know myself that I would not.
I cannot see in the Bible or anywhere else where it says wear the Cross. If Jesus said when I die on the Cross (or whatever you believe he died on) and wear it in Faith I would be the first to don the Cross but it doesn't does it? Do you think that people wear the Cross to acknowledge his sacrifice? I still would not wear it. I hate the Cross because it killed him. He died a horrible death. Thousands of people of died on them. They were a sacrificing instruments. Am I wrong to think the way I do? Have I got it wrong? What are your opinions on this subject. Also what is the history of the Cross and who were the first people to start wearing it. im in agreement with you .. No, you dont have it wrong ... in those times dying on the cross was one of the most horrific deaths, the Romans specialized in torture and I know folks wear the cross as a fashion statement, like they're glamorizing the cross... but there was nothing glamourous about Jesus' death, He was unrecognizable, they tortured Him so badly .. No, i dont wear crosses and i would not wear them... Well, in the early days of the church, you wouldn't have seen the cross imagery. The cross was a mark of shame, fear and terror. But in Christ, it was transformed into a symbol of hope and redemption. For by His Cross He redeemed the world. It is a symbol of Christ's humanity and compassion for all humanity. He took all shame on himself on that Cross, so that many would not have to pay the price. Why would it be wrong for Christians to honor that? For in His Death, Christ took away the power of death, which made the cross such an intimidating symbol to all the world. Now, not even the worst death, such as a death on a cross, holds sway over the faithful soul. Your point is well understood. I don't wear crosses as a routine. But I find no shame in wearing them. And actually, you make the point FOR wearing them. What the Son of God endured, the humiliation He suffered, the unspeakable pain and suffering -- physical and spiritual -- that He took on Himself, should be remembered. That should be emphasized, and yes, proclaimed. Because It is transformative. Because It saved us. Who wouldn't want to remember that, in any and all ways?  Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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namepeace said: rodman2 said: Our conduct and dress should show we are christian, a symbol doesn't do that really. I mean crooks can wear them right? In Daddy's house everyone is welcome. So what? Christ allowed tax collectors and prostitutes to walk in his presence; crooks can't wear a cross? you missed my point Blueblossem said: But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious.
I think that symbols are very powerful. I was trying to say wearing a cross doesn't necessarily mean you're a Catholic Christian as it once did, it can mean nothing at all. And a sign of a christian should be expressed by his conduct and everyday lifestyle. And once you join the church your lifstyle should change to show that, I don't think the Church says it's okay to stay a prostitute does it? | |
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rodman2 said:[quote] namepeace said: you missed my point Blueblossem said: But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious.
I think that symbols are very powerful. I was trying to say wearing a cross doesn't necessarily mean you're a Catholic Christian as it once did, it can mean nothing at all. And a sign of a christian should be expressed by his conduct and everyday lifestyle. And once you join the church your lifstyle should change to show that, I don't think the Church says it's okay to stay a prostitute does it? I got your point just fine. You missed mine. Trees are known by their fruit. That's Faith 101. Who's to say the crook isn't open to forgiveness? Or will remain a crook forever? Christ's door is always open and it's never too late. Maybe the wearing of the cross will remind him of that journey he must take in his life, even while he's a crook. So I say, let the crook wear the cross. The Judge will judge his fealty to that Tree's Fruit when the crooks time comes, as it does for all of us.  Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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rodman2 said:[quote] namepeace said: you missed my point Blueblossem said: But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious.
I think that symbols are very powerful. I was trying to say wearing a cross doesn't necessarily mean you're a Catholic Christian as it once did, it can mean nothing at all. And a sign of a christian should be expressed by his conduct and everyday lifestyle. And once you join the church your lifstyle should change to show that, I don't think the Church says it's okay to stay a prostitute does it? I think you are presenting a false choice: wear a cross which may mean nothing (nothing ever means nothing), or be a real Christian in spirit and deed, where no wearing of the cross is needed. nothing about wearing a cross around your neck precludes one being a real Christian in spirit and deed. Also, it seems that somewhere in your logic you equate the fact that crooks can wear them with the wearing of it itself, and then as something to be reformed and repented of in becoming a true Christian in heart, mind, and deed. or why else the crook and prostitute analogy? we are to eat to the glory of God. and yet crooks and pagans eat too. we are to to preach the gospel. but do not the hypocrites do the same? Welcome to the New World Odor and
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blueblossom said: morningsong said: If you're against wearing it don't. Personally, I've chosen never to wear one. But it's only a object it doesn't make or break anything. If it's a healthy reminder for someone in their walk more power to them, they ought to do what they got to do.
But it is a powerful symbol. When you see someone wearing it you think that they are Christian - they believe in Jesus or they are religious. I think that symbols are very powerful. I think that's the reason the majority of people wear it. So you THINK they are religious, while they are cursing, and everything else. If Jesus' sacrifice isn't in your heart and head, wearing a cross does nothing. I don't need to demonstrate to the world that I have an alleged relationship or affiliation with God, Christ or whomever, or however I believe. That is between God and I. I don't think God is going to be moved on Judgment Day by a cross around your neck. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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HiinEnkelte said: rodman2 said: I was trying to say wearing a cross doesn't necessarily mean you're a Catholic Christian as it once did, it can mean nothing at all. And a sign of a christian should be expressed by his conduct and everyday lifestyle. And once you join the church your lifstyle should change to show that, I don't think the Church says it's okay to stay a prostitute does it? I think you are presenting a false choice: wear a cross which may mean nothing (nothing ever means nothing), or be a real Christian in spirit and deed, where no wearing of the cross is needed. nothing about wearing a cross around your neck precludes one being a real Christian in spirit and deed. Also, it seems that somewhere in your logic you equate the fact that crooks can wear them with the wearing of it itself, and then as something to be reformed and repented of in becoming a true Christian in heart, mind, and deed. or why else the crook and prostitute analogy? we are to eat to the glory of God. and yet crooks and pagans eat too. we are to to preach the gospel. but do not the hypocrites do the same? You should be talking to namepeace it was his analogy not mine. I never wear a cross. I just said for the 4th time a christian doesn't need a cross around his neck to show he is a christian, he can show it by how he lives his life. | |
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rodman2 said: HiinEnkelte said: I think you are presenting a false choice: wear a cross which may mean nothing (nothing ever means nothing), or be a real Christian in spirit and deed, where no wearing of the cross is needed. nothing about wearing a cross around your neck precludes one being a real Christian in spirit and deed. Also, it seems that somewhere in your logic you equate the fact that crooks can wear them with the wearing of it itself, and then as something to be reformed and repented of in becoming a true Christian in heart, mind, and deed. or why else the crook and prostitute analogy? we are to eat to the glory of God. and yet crooks and pagans eat too. we are to to preach the gospel. but do not the hypocrites do the same? You should be talking to namepeace it was his analogy not mine. I never wear a cross. i have only agreement with what namepeace has said. (and wasn't the crook example your own?) I just said for the 4th time a christian doesn't need a cross around his neck to show he is a christian, he can show it by how he lives his life.
but who has even argued that you need to wear a cross to show that you are a Christian? sounds like a straw man to me. [Edited 7/3/08 12:23pm] Welcome to the New World Odor and
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