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Thread started 01/29/08 6:39pm

2Jay

Should there be a white history month?

I would have to say no. I don't think white people suffered as much as blacks in America.

What are your thoughts?

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Reply #1 posted 01/29/08 6:42pm

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We already have 12.


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Reply #2 posted 01/29/08 6:43pm

2Jay

lazycrockett said:

We already have 12.


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Not February and only have of March- woman's history month smile

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Reply #3 posted 01/29/08 6:44pm

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should there be an asian history month?

is there already a women's history month? (if not, should there be?)

how about a gay history month?

what about a native american history month?

maybe one day, representatives from one of the above groups, or some other group not on the list, will make as a compelling a case as the one that ended up getting black history month the recognition it has today. until then, i don't really see a point in asking if we need a white history month just because white is supposed to be the "opposite" of black. it's kind of simplistic, isn't it? racially, "white" can stand for a lot of heritages that aren't just diverse, they're utterly disparate.

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Reply #4 posted 01/29/08 6:49pm

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Anxiety said:

should there be an asian history month?

is there already a women's history month? (if not, should there be?)

how about a gay history month?

what about a native american history month?

maybe one day, representatives from one of the above groups, or some other group not on the list, will make as a compelling a case as the one that ended up "getting black history month the recognition it has today. until then, i don't really see a point in asking if we need a white history month just because white is supposed to be the "opposite" of black. it's kind of simplistic, isn't it? racially, "white" can stand for a lot of heritages that aren't just diverse, they're utterly disparate.



There is actually a month that celebrate Asian History, not sure which month though, I have to check it out. There is also Hispanic Heritage month in March as well as Women's month in March.

Here's a link for American Indian Heritage Month

http://www.infoplease.com...gins1.html

"The first American Indian Day in a state was declared on the second Saturday in May 1916 by the governor of N.Y. Several states celebrate the fourth Friday in September. In Illinois, for example, legislators enacted such a day in 1919. Presently, several states have designated Columbus Day as Native American Day, but it continues to be a day we observe without any recognition as a national legal holiday."
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Reply #5 posted 01/29/08 7:04pm

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I hope not. We celebrate white history 365 days a year,even during black history month.

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Reply #6 posted 01/29/08 8:23pm

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Isn't every month White History Month in America? Seriously. Which great White persons have been left out of having a celebratory day? Which great White events have been left off the calendar to where they need an entire month to celebrate?

There needs to be more months celebrating other ethnicities, or at least more exposure of those already created.

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Reply #7 posted 01/29/08 11:06pm

2Jay

2Jay said:

I would have to say no. I don't think white people suffered as much as blacks in America.

What are your thoughts?


And i would agree with most people here. There needs to be a month for every ethnicity.

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Reply #8 posted 01/29/08 11:15pm

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I agree that every month is white history month. Although most of it is a big fat lie. I remember bookmarking this article a while back. (I bookmark everything--I just know I'll need it one day) cool because it was about Morgan Freeman, who I think is a great actor.

http://www.wiretapmag.org...ies/31727/

Who Needs Black History Month?

By Paul Halley, February 2, 2006

We all do, because every month still remains white history month in this country.

During an interview with Mike Wallace on "60 Minutes" last month, Academy Award winning actor Morgan Freeman called Black History month "ridiculous," igniting a firestorm of debate about its observance. Freeman told a visibly shocked Wallace, "I don't want a Black History month. Black History is American History. There's no white history month."

Since Freeman's statements became public, I have read numerous editorials written by black intellectuals calling for the end of the celebration of black history month. The premise is that Black History month is no longer necessary, and that a 28 day observance both confines and trivializes the historic contributions of African-Americans in this country.

Prior to even thinking about what Freeman was saying, I had to first get over my continued outrage at white people asking black actors, athletes, and entertainers what they think about issues that are outside of their areas of expertise. Publicizing the opinions of Morgan Freeman doesn't make him a spokesman for the black race. I don't see anyone seeking out Robert DeNiro for opinions about Iraq, but that's a whole different discussion.

But in response to Freeman's comments, all I can say is, "Please."

Celebrating Black History Month no more confines the history of African-Americans than the one day MLK holiday confines the achievements of Dr. Martin Luther King. Or that St. Patrick's Day confines the history of Irish-Americans to March 17th. Want to know how to trivialize African-American history? Eliminate Black History Month.

Mr. Freeman and others maintain that in place of Black History Month, black history should be incorporated into the mainstream history of America. Their thought process is that black history can be celebrated every day by its proper inclusion in American history. Mr. Freeman went so far as to ask Mike Wallace, "Which month is white history month?" The answer unfortunately, is that every month remains white history month in this country, and it is precisely for this reason that Black History month remains relevant and necessary.

Sylvia Cyrus-Albritton, director of the Association for the Study of African American Life and History, (which originated the observance of what is now Black History Month), points out that the country still has a long way to go in making its history inclusive. As she told the Baltimore Sun in December:

"We have a mission to research, promote, preserve and disseminate information about the contributions of African-Americans in history and their diaspora," she said. "When that mission is complete, maybe celebrations like Black History Month can take a different slant. American history books -- and the way it is taught -- still [do] not include the full contribution of African-Americans or other minorities for that matter.

"Dr. Woodson hoped that one day there would no longer be a need for Black History Month because it would be incorporated into American history all year round. So the goal Morgan Freeman speaks of is our goal as well."

In some ways, I can understand where Freeman is coming from. Ideally, we wouldn't have to have a special month because American history would be inclusive of all history. Freeman, however, also seems to be advocating that we shouldn't even speak of our differences. Instead, we should just pretend that not only is everyone equal, but that we are the same.

When Mike Wallace asked Freeman how we can get rid of racism, he replied:

"Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You wouldn't say, 'Well, I know this white guy named Mike Wallace.' You know what I'm sayin?"

I don't know about you, but I simply cannot agree with Freeman. We will not solve racial issues in this country by putting our collective heads in the sand and hoping they will go away. We can't run from our own racial past and delude ourselves that everything is ok in America. Our society still remains segregated in many ways, from where we live and where we worship, to who survives a hurricane. We like to think that we are a society beyond racism, but reality doesn't bear that out.

Race is America's great taboo, and the fact is that there are differences -- cultural and physical -- between people of different races. We need to acknowledge those differences. Pretending like they don't exist is ignoring the elephant in the room. Mike Wallace is a white guy. Morgan Freeman is a black guy. Why ignore the facts?

It's been said that history is written by the victors. Until American history becomes more inclusive of the contributions of all its citizens, Black History Month remains one of the few tangible ways that we can keep our nation's history accurate.

Who needs Black History Month? We all do.

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Reply #9 posted 01/29/08 11:36pm

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There should be any "History Months". We're all Americans and the sooner people lie Al Sharpton and other segregators can see this, the better. Al Sharpton talks about respect for the black man, but he's the one disrespecting them by making everything a special case for them.

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Reply #10 posted 01/29/08 11:50pm

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Reply #11 posted 01/30/08 1:17am

shanti0608

We all have the freedom NOT to celebrate any of them or you can celebrate all of them if you wish.
No we should not have white history month. White is clearly NOT a race.


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Reply #12 posted 01/30/08 1:21am

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shanti0608 said:

White is clearly NOT a race.


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[Edited 1/30/08 1:19am]


Really?

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Reply #13 posted 01/30/08 1:29am

shanti0608

Volitan said:

shanti0608 said:

White is clearly NOT a race.


peace!



Really?


Not one that should be celebrated apparently.
shrug

I have asked here on this forum if there was such a thing as racism against white ppl..boy did I get taught a few lessons.

In all honestly I think all races are important and should be celebrated. One is not and should not be more important than another.
I think we should do things daily to honour and remember our history, the history of ALL races.
We can do that by respecting one another even though we have differences in our skin colour.
I think even when there is a month set aside for one race, there are always going to be some pp that feel left out or that think we are not celebrating that month with the right facts about the history.
Like I said...we should just respect one another each day. I hear a lot of ppl say that history is taught incorrectly in schools, do many parents sit down with their children and teach them about the history of their race and instill pride into their children?

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Reply #14 posted 01/30/08 1:53am

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shanti0608 said:

do many parents sit down with their children and teach them about the history of their race and instill pride into their children?

I hope not. Pride is a sin neutral

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Reply #15 posted 01/30/08 1:57am

shanti0608

PANDURITO said:

shanti0608 said:

do many parents sit down with their children and teach them about the history of their race and instill pride into their children?

I hope not. Pride is a sin neutral



did you read my entire post or just the last sentence?
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Reply #16 posted 01/30/08 2:02am

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shanti0608 said:

PANDURITO said:


I hope not. Pride is a sin neutral



did you read my entire post or just the last sentence?
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I read your post and all the others'. nod

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Reply #17 posted 01/30/08 2:16am

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PANDURITO said:

shanti0608 said:




did you read my entire post or just the last sentence?
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I read your post and all the others'. nod


Me too...I was just being sarcastic btw...you are better at it than me. wink

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Reply #18 posted 01/30/08 3:40am

Rhondab

Here we go again....every Feb....


2elijah posted and I have just ONE year ago, that there are monthly celebrations throughout the year. I've participate in a few of them annually.




Shanti, please explain WHY white is CLEARLY not a race. I'm unclear. confuse

My daughter, in school, learns more about white males in history than any other group. shrug


There's only so much I expect to be taught in schools but I think that if children of all races can learn more about other races and ethnic groups, they will have a different image of those groups than just the images on television. So many don't equate intelligence and academia with the black experience. Black History month should help children who would not normally be exposed to black people to become aware of the accomplishments of black americans and how those accomplishments reach beyond MLK and athletics. This is to the benefit of all and not just to one or two groups.

Personally, I actively participate in these observances. They've given me the opportunity to educate myself and my daughter on various cultures that I wouldn't have the opportunity to learn from and about.

Its so annoying that every pre Feb, this gets rehashed.

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Reply #19 posted 01/30/08 3:43am

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Rhondab said:

My daughter, in school, learns more about white males in history than any other group. shrug

It's called History neutral

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Reply #20 posted 01/30/08 3:46am

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PANDURITO said:

Rhondab said:

My daughter, in school, learns more about white males in history than any other group. shrug

It's called History neutral



oh my bad...if it was called 'herstory', there would be more white females?

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Reply #21 posted 01/30/08 3:52am

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Rhondab said:

Here we go again....every Feb....


2elijah posted and I have just ONE year ago, that there are monthly celebrations throughout the year. I've participate in a few of them annually.




Shanti, please explain WHY white is CLEARLY not a race. I'm unclear. confuse

My daughter, in school, learns more about white males in history than any other group. shrug


There's only so much I expect to be taught in schools but I think that if children of all races can learn more about other races and ethnic groups, they will have a different image of those groups than just the images on television. So many don't equate intelligence and academia with the black experience. Black History month should help children who would not normally be exposed to black people to become aware of the accomplishments of black americans and how those accomplishments reach beyond MLK and athletics. This is to the benefit of all and not just to one or two groups.

Personally, I actively participate in these observances. They've given me the opportunity to educate myself and my daughter on various cultures that I wouldn't have the opportunity to learn from and about.

Its so annoying that every pre Feb, this gets rehashed.




I was just saying that because I was told that on this forum and I was told that in school as well. When I asked why, I was told because no one is really white, we all came from some other race and nationality. shrug



I agree with you that it is important for everyone to learn about all sorts of races, cultures & nationalities.
when we learn about them we can respect and understand them more.

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Reply #22 posted 01/30/08 3:53am

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Rhondab said:

PANDURITO said:


It's called History neutral



oh my bad...if it was called 'herstory', there would be more white females?

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were white and male. What are we gona do? shrug

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Reply #23 posted 01/30/08 3:54am

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PANDURITO said:

Rhondab said:




oh my bad...if it was called 'herstory', there would be more white females?

confuse

Socrates
Albert Einstein
Napoleon Bonaparte
Aristotle
Alexander Fleming
Francis Bacon
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Rene Descartes
John Locke
Sophocles
Voltaire
Virgil
Charlemagne
Jean Jacques Rousseau
Dante Alighieri
Adam Smith
Geoffrey Chaucer
Oliver Cromwell
Immanuel Kant
William Shakespeare
Benjamin Franklin
Karl Marx
John Milton
Friedrich Nietzsche
Charles dickens
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Marco Polo
Leo Tolstoy
Abraham Lincoln
Christopher Columbus
Vasco da Gama
Mark Twain
Ferdinand Magellan
Winston Churchill
James Cook
Johann Sebastian Bach
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Roald Amundsen
George Frideric Handel
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Archimedes
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johann Gutenberg
Frederic Chopin
Richard Wagner
Thomas Edison
Johannes Brahms
Alexander Graham Bell
Peter Tchaikovsky
Henry Ford
Claude Debussy
The Wright Brothers
Guglielmo Marconi
Leonardo da Vinci
Saint Augustine
Raphael
Michelangelo
Nicolaus Copernicus
Rembrandt
Galileo
Claude Monet
Issac Newton
Vincent van Gogh
Charles Darwin
Pablo Picasso
Louis Pasteur
Gregor Mendel
Alexander the Great
...

were white and male. What are we gona do? shrug


yeah....cuz there was NO women in history right?

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Reply #24 posted 01/30/08 3:57am

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shanti0608 said:

Rhondab said:

Here we go again....every Feb....


2elijah posted and I have just ONE year ago, that there are monthly celebrations throughout the year. I've participate in a few of them annually.




Shanti, please explain WHY white is CLEARLY not a race. I'm unclear. confuse

My daughter, in school, learns more about white males in history than any other group. shrug


There's only so much I expect to be taught in schools but I think that if children of all races can learn more about other races and ethnic groups, they will have a different image of those groups than just the images on television. So many don't equate intelligence and academia with the black experience. Black History month should help children who would not normally be exposed to black people to become aware of the accomplishments of black americans and how those accomplishments reach beyond MLK and athletics. This is to the benefit of all and not just to one or two groups.

Personally, I actively participate in these observances. They've given me the opportunity to educate myself and my daughter on various cultures that I wouldn't have the opportunity to learn from and about.

Its so annoying that every pre Feb, this gets rehashed.




I was just saying that because I was told that on this forum and I was told that in school as well. When I asked why, I was told because no one is really white, we all came from some other race and nationality. shrug



I agree with you that it is important for everyone to learn about all sorts of races, cultures & nationalities.
when we learn about them we can respect and understand them more.



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Reply #25 posted 01/30/08 3:57am

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yeah....cuz there was NO women in history right?

chair stop it pandy

lol Of course there were great women. All those in my list had their supper ready when they got home smile

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Reply #26 posted 01/30/08 3:58am

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PANDURITO said:

Rhondab said:

yeah....cuz there was NO women in history right?

chair stop it pandy

lol Of course there were great women. All those in my list had their supper ready when they got home smile



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Reply #27 posted 01/30/08 4:02am

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lol I was just explaining why white males are the bulk in History books. You can't change the past...or you shouldn't.
We can work to change the future though nod

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Reply #28 posted 01/30/08 4:16am

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lol I was just explaining why white males are the bulk in History books. You can't change the past...or you shouldn't.
We can work to change the future though nod

hug



so you've bought into that ONLY males have contributed to history so therefore the history books should reflect that....WOW

did you just take a dip into the sexism pool Pandy?

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Reply #29 posted 01/30/08 6:11am

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I think White History month would b a good idea.

It could be a way to examine the ways in which whites as a category have contributed to history, instead of assuming that this is some neutral norm. WHM could be an opportunity for people to examine the role that "whiteness" has played in the unfurling of American history.

Course, this should happen every month, but what are you going to do?

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