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Thread started 12/21/07 10:10am

lilgish

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Creflo A. Dollar


falloff Worst name ever, does anyone follow this guy, is he a scam artist or a legitimate preacher?
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Reply #1 posted 12/21/07 10:52am

rachel3

He is a pimp no diffrent than a pimp with women on the corner!!! Another way of Blacks exploited other Blacks. It is the primary reason I hate religion and the church and I left 20 yrs ago and have never looked back!!!

Folks follow these preachers like sheep slaughter and it makes me sick!!!! Everything is about money and nothing is for free.

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Reply #2 posted 12/21/07 12:13pm

Empress

rachel3 said:

He is a pimp no diffrent than a pimp with women on the corner!!! Another way of Blacks exploited other Blacks. It is the primary reason I hate religion and the church and I left 20 yrs ago and have never looked back!!!

Folks follow these preachers like sheep slaughter and it makes me sick!!!! Everything is about money and nothing is for free.



Right on Rachel3!! I couldn't agree more. People like this guy sicken me.

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Reply #3 posted 12/21/07 12:30pm

Rhondab

and his wifes name is "Taffy"

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Reply #4 posted 12/21/07 12:31pm

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Creflo, not Crefo. lol

The guy's a crook, just know that. Duping African Americans--sad.

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Reply #5 posted 12/21/07 1:06pm

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Rhondab said:

and his wifes name is "Taffy"

whofarted You are KIDDING!

Taffy friggin' Dollar?!?! falloff

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Reply #6 posted 12/21/07 1:07pm

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I'm no fan o' the man, BTW.

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Reply #7 posted 12/21/07 1:08pm

Rhondab

Lammastide said:

Rhondab said:

and his wifes name is "Taffy"

whofarted You are KIDDING!

Taffy friggin' Dollar?!?! falloff



LOL...yeah....it really is Taffy nod

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Reply #8 posted 12/21/07 2:22pm

uPtoWnNY

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falloff Worst name ever, does anyone follow this guy, is he a scam artist or a legitimate preacher?



I don't know if he's legit or not, but the dude is living phat.Sh!t, I went into the wrong line of work. I grew up around preachers - I should have developed a rap so I could fleece these simple-minded church folks. biggrin

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Reply #9 posted 12/21/07 2:41pm

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lilgish said:


falloff Worst name ever, does anyone follow this guy, is he a scam artist or a legitimate preacher?



Another Wolf In Sheep's Clothing.....FOLLOW HIM!!!

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Reply #10 posted 12/21/07 3:42pm

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I feel so ashame, my head is in the wrong books.


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Reply #11 posted 12/21/07 4:31pm

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that dude is so money.

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Reply #12 posted 12/21/07 4:51pm

Rhondab

i think he has a jet....

they build big churches but never big soup kitchens...I wonder why confuse lol

Oh...that would be too much like what Jesus said to do...my bad wink

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Reply #13 posted 12/21/07 5:55pm

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lilgish said:


falloff Worst name ever, does anyone follow this guy, is he a scam artist or a legitimate preacher?


His last/surname is Dollar. THIS alone answers the question!
lol

Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)

2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often.
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Reply #14 posted 12/22/07 12:38am

ThreadBare

Does anyone have anything concrete? I hear a lot of jokes, but no cited facts...

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Reply #15 posted 12/22/07 9:46am

uPtoWnNY

HiinEnkelte said:

that dude is so money.



"Money is not the root of all evil....it's the LACK of money that's the root of all evil!"(Rev. Ike)

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Reply #16 posted 12/23/07 7:31am

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Any one who follows a pimp.....DESERVES 2 be pimped.

The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
The TRUTH.
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Reply #17 posted 12/23/07 10:30am

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ThreadBare said:

Does anyone have anything concrete? I hear a lot of jokes, but no cited facts...


Concrete such as what? He's living EXTREMELY large - Way much larger than the people he "represents". Is that what God wanted?

That's always been my issue with the church. They build these multi-million dollar churches while a lot of their congregation can barely make it to them by public transpo.

I never understood why the preacher had to live so extravagant. The shit just doesn't make sense. Re-invest in the community - TRULY.

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Reply #18 posted 12/23/07 10:33am

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The thread reminded me of this article.
Go get 'em, Grassley! These snake-oil hucksters have gotten enough of a free ride on the backs of the poor and ill-educated.

Televangelist refuses to turn over more financial documents
By Carol Costello


CNN Washington Bureau
(CNN) -- Georgia televangelist Creflo Dollar is refusing to turn over any more financial documents to the Senate Finance Committee, even though they are overdue.

Last month, the committee's ranking Republican, Sen. Charles Grassley, asked Dollar and five other TV and megachurch preachers to provide him detailed reports on how they're spending billions of dollars in church donations. He wants to make sure their ministries aren't violating their tax-exempt status by spending church donations on personal luxuries.

Five of the six ministries have either turned over documents or asked Grassley for more time, which the senator readily agreed to give them.

But Dollar and his World Changers Church have refused, and he's hired a lawyer. He said if Grassley wants more information he'll have to subpoena him to testify before the committee.

The Iowa senator is surprised by Dollar's ultimatum. "If he sticks to his guns," Grassley said, "this will be the first nonprofit that I know of that hasn't cooperated with us over the last five or six years." Watch why Dollar doesn't want to turn over the documents »

In November, Dollar told CNN that his church was not in violation of any tax laws. "We've always said at the very beginning we have no problems if it's a valid request," Dollar said. "And, you know, we comply with the IRS."

Dollar is making no apologies for living in a $2.5 million mansion in Georgia, driving a church-bought Rolls Royce and having access to a luxury Manhattan apartment. He said the church owns some of his luxury items and he bought the rest with his own money.

Dollar also told CNN he did turn over some documents to Grassley's office and was confident they would be sufficient. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, one of those documents spelled out how much money the church raked in last year: $69 million.

Again, Dollar makes no apologies. His prosperity ministry preaches a form of Word of Faith theology, which teaches God wants the faithful to have the best in life, including material things.

He said Grassley is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong -- in church doctrine.

Grassley strongly objects to that sentiment. "For the focus of this inquiry, ministries are the same as any other nonprofit organization," he said. "It's a question of abiding by tax laws."

Rusty Leonard, who runs an online citizen's watchdog group, Ministrywatch.com, is on Grassley's side. He said Dollar's church should be transparent so donors know how their money is being spent. He said Dollar should be happy to comply with Grassley's request, unless he has something to hide.

"I guess, looking at it from their perspective, they could potentially go into Grassley's confessional and end up walking out in handcuffs," Leonard said. "So they have to be very careful about what they release."

Grassley, so far, isn't threatening Dollar with a subpoena, but he didn't rule it out either. He said he's used it in the past to great effect.

Here's how the other minstries have responded to requests for accounting, according to Grassley's office:


Kenneth and Gloria Copeland (Kenneth Copeland Ministries): Attorneys delivered material to Grassley's staff on Thursday.

Benny Hinn (World Healing Center Church, Inc.): Grassley's staff is scheduled to meet with the ministry's attorneys on Friday.

Eddie Long (New Birth Missionary Baptist Church Ministry): Representatives said publicly that the ministry will cooperate. Grassley has not received any material or had contact from the ministry.

Joyce Meyer (Joyce Meyer Ministries): Grassley's staff received material from the organization on Tuesday and is reviewing it.

Randy and Paula White (Without Walls International Church Today): Received initial contact from attorneys who said they will contact Grassley's staff shortly but has had no further response.

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Reply #19 posted 12/23/07 11:24am

JellyBean

I aint got no problem with Crefo Dollar. Or Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, or any other prosperity preacher. They are only preaching about us being successful in all aspects of our lives.Now, we all know that success is defined differently for each of us. But the way I view many of these prosperity teachers is that, God (throw in who ever you believe here) wants us to be prosperous in our relationships, our health, and our finances. God's desire is that we excel.

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #20 posted 12/23/07 11:40am

Rhondab

JellyBean said:

I aint got no problem with Crefo Dollar. Or Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, or any other prosperity preacher. They are only preaching about us being successful in all aspects of our lives.Now, we all know that success is defined differently for each of us. But the way I view many of these prosperity teachers is that, God (throw in who ever you believe here) wants us to be prosperous in our relationships, our health, and our finances. God's desire is that we excel.


I'm all for the "teach a person to fish" mindset BUT I also I know you have to still feed some the fish so they can even pay attention to the teaching.

I'd like to hear more about their charities than the homes, cars and jets that they've be "blessed" to obtain. I think the issue that some have with prosperity preachers is that their wealth comes from the people they serve. This causes an ethical dilemma for many. Books, movies, conferences, etc....they are money makers as well has a vehicle for delivering a message.

churches are business and are run like corporations. The CEO is a church is getting paid like a CEO at a corporation. Is that good? Is that bad?


I see bigger churches but no new soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.

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Reply #21 posted 12/23/07 12:38pm

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Rhondab said:

JellyBean said:

I aint got no problem with Crefo Dollar. Or Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, or any other prosperity preacher. They are only preaching about us being successful in all aspects of our lives.Now, we all know that success is defined differently for each of us. But the way I view many of these prosperity teachers is that, God (throw in who ever you believe here) wants us to be prosperous in our relationships, our health, and our finances. God's desire is that we excel.


I'm all for the "teach a person to fish" mindset BUT I also I know you have to still feed some the fish so they can even pay attention to the teaching.

I'd like to hear more about their charities than the homes, cars and jets that they've be "blessed" to obtain. I think the issue that some have with prosperity preachers is that their wealth comes from the people they serve. This causes an ethical dilemma for many. Books, movies, conferences, etc....they are money makers as well has a vehicle for delivering a message.

churches are business and are run like corporations. The CEO is a church is getting paid like a CEO at a corporation. Is that good? Is that bad?


I see bigger churches but no new soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.


I have no problem with a pastor getting paid like a CEO if, he/she is leading a church with a large membership and if they are giving back to the community. I in the cases of Jakes and Dollar, I know during the Hurricane Katrina, Jakes and Dollar were sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help the displaced families from New Orleans.

In the Community…
"Following Hurricane Katrina, Bishop Jakes and The Potter’s House partnered with the World Children’s Fund to successfully donate $250,000 worth of food, water, ice, and first aid. The church also initiated a program to help displaced families by serving as a collection and distribution center for financial contributions, non-perishable materials, and in-kind services. In December 2005 Jakes was asked to serve with the Rev. William H. Gray III as co-chair of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund’s Interfaith Coalition." http://www.demossnewspond...rofile.htm

Also, as long as his books are legit, I have no problem with him making that kind of money. Nobody had a problem with Rev. Billy Graham making tons of money, why sweat these folks?

It aint about the color of the preacher. Joyce Meyers, Paula White, and the Copeland family have come under federal heat. So far, Joyce Meyers has come up clean. And I do know that she does a lot of outreach work; homeless centers, food drives....and the same for Dollar and Jakes.

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #22 posted 12/23/07 12:55pm

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JellyBean said:

I aint got no problem with Crefo Dollar. Or Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, or any other prosperity preacher. They are only preaching about us being successful in all aspects of our lives.Now, we all know that success is defined differently for each of us. But the way I view many of these prosperity teachers is that, God (throw in who ever you believe here) wants us to be prosperous in our relationships, our health, and our finances. God's desire is that we excel.


Sorry, but I truly doubt God wanted his messengers of the gospel to misuse funds and become more so pimps than preachers.

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Reply #23 posted 12/23/07 12:57pm

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Rhondab said:



I'm all for the "teach a person to fish" mindset BUT I also I know you have to still feed some the fish so they can even pay attention to the teaching.

I'd like to hear more about their charities than the homes, cars and jets that they've be "blessed" to obtain. I think the issue that some have with prosperity preachers is that their wealth comes from the people they serve. This causes an ethical dilemma for many. Books, movies, conferences, etc....they are money makers as well has a vehicle for delivering a message.

churches are business and are run like corporations. The CEO is a church is getting paid like a CEO at a corporation. Is that good? Is that bad?


I see bigger churches but no new soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.


I have no problem with a pastor getting paid like a CEO if, he/she is leading a church with a large membership and if they are giving back to the community. I in the cases of Jakes and Dollar, I know during the Hurricane Katrina, Jakes and Dollar were sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help the displaced families from New Orleans.

In the Community…
"Following Hurricane Katrina, Bishop Jakes and The Potter’s House partnered with the World Children’s Fund to successfully donate $250,000 worth of food, water, ice, and first aid. The church also initiated a program to help displaced families by serving as a collection and distribution center for financial contributions, non-perishable materials, and in-kind services. In December 2005 Jakes was asked to serve with the Rev. William H. Gray III as co-chair of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund’s Interfaith Coalition." http://www.demossnewspond...rofile.htm

Also, as long as his books are legit, I have no problem with him making that kind of money. Nobody had a problem with Rev. Billy Graham making tons of money, why sweat these folks?

It aint about the color of the preacher. Joyce Meyers, Paula White, and the Copeland family have come under federal heat. So far, Joyce Meyers has come up clean. And I do know that she does a lot of outreach work; homeless centers, food drives....and the same for Dollar and Jakes.


Yeah. Wanna bet they're not? thumbs up!

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Reply #24 posted 12/23/07 2:59pm

Rhondab

JellyBean said:

Rhondab said:



I'm all for the "teach a person to fish" mindset BUT I also I know you have to still feed some the fish so they can even pay attention to the teaching.

I'd like to hear more about their charities than the homes, cars and jets that they've be "blessed" to obtain. I think the issue that some have with prosperity preachers is that their wealth comes from the people they serve. This causes an ethical dilemma for many. Books, movies, conferences, etc....they are money makers as well has a vehicle for delivering a message.

churches are business and are run like corporations. The CEO is a church is getting paid like a CEO at a corporation. Is that good? Is that bad?


I see bigger churches but no new soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.


I have no problem with a pastor getting paid like a CEO if, he/she is leading a church with a large membership and if they are giving back to the community. I in the cases of Jakes and Dollar, I know during the Hurricane Katrina, Jakes and Dollar were sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help the displaced families from New Orleans.

In the Community…
"Following Hurricane Katrina, Bishop Jakes and The Potter’s House partnered with the World Children’s Fund to successfully donate $250,000 worth of food, water, ice, and first aid. The church also initiated a program to help displaced families by serving as a collection and distribution center for financial contributions, non-perishable materials, and in-kind services. In December 2005 Jakes was asked to serve with the Rev. William H. Gray III as co-chair of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund’s Interfaith Coalition." http://www.demossnewspond...rofile.htm

Also, as long as his books are legit, I have no problem with him making that kind of money. Nobody had a problem with Rev. Billy Graham making tons of money, why sweat these folks?

It aint about the color of the preacher. Joyce Meyers, Paula White, and the Copeland family have come under federal heat. So far, Joyce Meyers has come up clean. And I do know that she does a lot of outreach work; homeless centers, food drives....and the same for Dollar and Jakes.



You may not have an issue but I do.

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Reply #25 posted 12/23/07 3:32pm

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Does anyone have anything concrete? I hear a lot of jokes, but no cited facts...



Not yet but the Senate's working on it! Look for it in '08, that much I'm sure of! cool

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Reply #26 posted 12/23/07 3:41pm

JellyBean

Rhondab said:

JellyBean said:



I have no problem with a pastor getting paid like a CEO if, he/she is leading a church with a large membership and if they are giving back to the community. I in the cases of Jakes and Dollar, I know during the Hurricane Katrina, Jakes and Dollar were sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to help the displaced families from New Orleans.

In the Community…
"Following Hurricane Katrina, Bishop Jakes and The Potter’s House partnered with the World Children’s Fund to successfully donate $250,000 worth of food, water, ice, and first aid. The church also initiated a program to help displaced families by serving as a collection and distribution center for financial contributions, non-perishable materials, and in-kind services. In December 2005 Jakes was asked to serve with the Rev. William H. Gray III as co-chair of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund’s Interfaith Coalition." http://www.demossnewspond...rofile.htm

Also, as long as his books are legit, I have no problem with him making that kind of money. Nobody had a problem with Rev. Billy Graham making tons of money, why sweat these folks?

It aint about the color of the preacher. Joyce Meyers, Paula White, and the Copeland family have come under federal heat. So far, Joyce Meyers has come up clean. And I do know that she does a lot of outreach work; homeless centers, food drives....and the same for Dollar and Jakes.



You may not have an issue but I do.


Trust me, I am sure that you are not the only one. But as long as I see, people like Jakes, Dollar, Meyers, and Osteen, just to name a few, helping out out the poorest of the poor, I can't really worry about what folks might think of them. They (Jakes & Dollar) all have to answer to a higher calling. Right now, I see the positive things that they are doing for their sheep biggrin

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #27 posted 12/23/07 11:08pm

Rhondab

JellyBean said:

Rhondab said:




You may not have an issue but I do.


Trust me, I am sure that you are not the only one. But as long as I see, people like Jakes, Dollar, Meyers, and Osteen, just to name a few, helping out out the poorest of the poor, I can't really worry about what folks might think of them. They (Jakes & Dollar) all have to answer to a higher calling. Right now, I see the positive things that they are doing for their sheep biggrin



with dollar...what other things have you seen him do beyond the Katrina situation?

Osteen's ministry bothers me for other reasons but that's another topic.

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Reply #28 posted 12/24/07 9:21am

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Before this investigation, I never heard of the guy; and my knowledge on tv ministries is limited at best. I prefer sitting in an actual church than watching it on tv. I'm sorry, but the name alone screams pimp, and I wouldn't be able to take him seriously. If these leaders are doing what they are supposed to, then more power to them. People need to read the Bible for themselves, and learn discernment. I don't have any real problem with tv ministries, just never been drawn to them.


Mark 12:13-17 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

Paying Taxes to Caesar

13Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? 15Should we pay or shouldn't we?"
But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
"Caesar's," they replied.

17Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."
And they were amazed at him.

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Reply #29 posted 12/24/07 10:42am

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Rhondab said:

i think he has a jet....

they build big churches but never big soup kitchens...I wonder why confuse lol

Oh...that would be too much like what Jesus said to do...my bad wink

according to ED, when Jesus said that which you have done for the least of my brothers so you have done to me, was just a metaphor and parable. he really didn't mean that.

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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