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Is this a HATE crime? http://content.hamptonroa...ran=187594
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LoveAlive said: http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=133274&ran=187594
watch the video one or two arguments here..... If the Victims Family where filming the attack..... 1. Why did they film it rather than try to help him? 2. What was the instigator to the attack? Was he (racially) abusing them? The problem with any Crime that involves two Colours is simple..... The Media automatically claim a "Race" Crime.....One perfect example is there was an incident some years ago, where a Black Teen was killed.....The Media and Police automatically stated it was a race crime.....yet.....No Witnesses and no Suspects where known of. It actually turned out, his assialants where Black as well..... Moral is - Dont jump the Gun.....  .........Gimme your Doughnut,,,,,, | |
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myownprivateinsanity said: LoveAlive said: http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=133274&ran=187594
watch the video one or two arguments here..... If the Victims Family where filming the attack..... 1. Why did they film it rather than try to help him? 2. What was the instigator to the attack? Was he (racially) abusing them? Why would/should it matter if he called them a racist word? I think it is HILARIOUS that people feel that its ok to attack someone if called the N word when many of us(blacks) regularly call each other the N-word...Oh I forgot only other blacks are allowed to degrade another black  (warped thinking)
But if you read the article that went along with the video, they authorities said that they didnt believe that any racial incident preceeded this beating... the person that was recording it on the cell phone was apart of the boys beating the white guy.. I think its HILARIOUS though that only ONE person responded to this... I guess its not really a serious issue bcuz the person getting attacked was white..  | |
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i disagree with whole concept of hate crimes. a crime is a crime because of the criminal action, not the reason. sure, you can use hate as evidence of motive thereby helping a prosecutor's case but it shouldn't have a separate label or punishment.
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sassybritches said: i disagree with whole concept of hate crimes. a crime is a crime because of the criminal action, not the reason. sure, you can use hate as evidence of motive thereby helping a prosecutor's case but it shouldn't have a separate label or punishment.
that said...IF there is going to be a hate crime law, it should go both ways. if the situtaion were reversed and this was 5 white kids on a minority, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be a hate crime label attached to the beating. The reason Hate Crimes are necessary to have on the books is because it identifies those that would have ONLY committed that crime solely based on their hatred for that person's race, color, or religion. Think about it: There are people who would have never been a victim of a crime if the perpetrator didn't have hatred against that person's race, color, or religion, especially if it can definitely be determined that the perp acted upon that hatred of one or more of those issues. That's why it's vital to identify these crimes in that manner, because it may cause another fool to think twice before perpetrating a crime of hate. And it's really no different than how crimes against children and the elderly carry stiffer sentences than it would on regular adults. Do you object to stiffer sentences and charges against those two groups? If no, so why have an issue with Hate Crimes? New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas! 
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sassybritches said: i disagree with whole concept of hate crimes. a crime is a crime because of the criminal action, not the reason. sure, you can use hate as evidence of motive thereby helping a prosecutor's case but it shouldn't have a separate label or punishment.
that said...IF there is going to be a hate crime law, it should go both ways. if the situtaion were reversed and this was 5 white kids on a minority, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be a hate crime label attached to the beating. right. establishing 'motive' is only pertinent to establishing a basis for guilt. "did this suspect have a motive?" etc. then we move one to 'intent'. guilt here may vary based on what we can establish the suspect intended to do. i fire a gun 30 times aimed at you at close range, but they all happen to miss you. i sure ain't going scott free, and should be prosecuted for attempted murder. blah blah and etc. sentencing may take into account mitigating or extenuating circumstances. if a crime is especially heinous or egregious in nature, or without mitigating circumstance, as i'm sure most crimes that many would want to categorize as hate crimes, ...then maximum sentence. but how is any willful violation of another human being not a hate crime? [Edited 10/11/07 11:42am] Welcome to the New World Odor and
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HiinEnkelte said: sassybritches said: i disagree with whole concept of hate crimes. a crime is a crime because of the criminal action, not the reason. sure, you can use hate as evidence of motive thereby helping a prosecutor's case but it shouldn't have a separate label or punishment.
that said...IF there is going to be a hate crime law, it should go both ways. if the situtaion were reversed and this was 5 white kids on a minority, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be a hate crime label attached to the beating. right. establishing 'motive' is only pertinent to establishing a basis for guilt. "did this suspect have a motive?" etc. then we move one to 'intent'. guilt here may vary based on what we can establish the suspect intended to do. i fire a gun 30 times aimed at you at close range, but they all happen to miss you. i sure ain't going scott free, and should be prosecuted for attempted murder. blah blah and etc. sentencing may take into account mitigating or extenuating circumstances. if i crime is especially heinous or egregious in nature, or without mitigating circumstance, as i'm sure most crimes that many would want to categorize as hate crimes, ...then maximum sentence. but how is any willful violation of another human being not a hate crime? Thats true.. However, I think if this video showed 5 white guys(and one taping it) beating 1 black boy, people would have a hissy! | |
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Not another one. | |
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To me it is. | |
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HiinEnkelte said: but how is any willful violation of another human being not a hate crime? I have often wondered that |
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Their behavior is disgusting its right there on the video for all to see.
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Mach said: HiinEnkelte said: but how is any willful violation of another human being not a hate crime? I have often wondered that as i see it, we have two situations that are logical outcomes inhering and dormant in the concept hate crime: groups, races, classes, and other communities of identity vie for privileged protection through heightened penalty under hate crime law. this intensifies and more and more groups seek to avoid being neglected under hate crime legislation, and seek to achieve similar hate crime protection under the law, until we end up with everyone more protected under the law (indirectly through the heightened penalty as a hate crime) and then all we have managed to accomplish is biggie-sizing all punishments and penalties uniformly across the board, even as we constantly bicker with undue legal and divisive social focus on race, group, class, and identity. ugh. or not, and it's still all whack and unbalanced. 
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I refuse to believe the rational put forth by those opposed to "hate crime" legislation. I don't think the issue is that "thought" is being persecuted, I believe they don't want certain classes of people being recognized by the law. I stay Woke.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I refuse to believe the rational put forth by those opposed to "hate crime" legislation. I don't think the issue is that "thought" is being persecuted, I believe they don't want certain classes of people being recognized by the law.
who doesn't want certain classes being recognized by the law? those that oppose hate crime legislation or those who commit crimes motivate by classist or racist attitudes? are you arguing that the justification and rationale for hate crime legislation is that that it is how we ought (in part at least) to recognize legal standing for the class which motivated a crime? Welcome to the New World Odor and
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I refuse to believe the rational put forth by those opposed to "hate crime" legislation. I don't think the issue is that "thought" is being persecuted, I believe they don't want certain classes of people being recognized by the law.
the issue, at the bottom line, is that a violent crime is a violent crime and this is so regardless of the motivation behind it. here's an idea: just administer harsh penalties for all violent crimes...and enforce them all! | |
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LoveAlive said: http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=133274&ran=187594
watch the video No, I don't think this is a HATE crime because I watched the video and read the article. 
P olice said this in a news release: “Investigators have determined that a non-race related altercation took place prior to the assault. Investigators believe that this earlier altercation escalated to the assault caught on videotape. Investigators have further determined that this incident was not gang-related in nature.”
Personally, I'd like to know exactly what the "non-race related altercation" was before I decide if the resulting beat down was a crime or not but that's just me.  [Edited 10/11/07 19:18pm] | |
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The reason behind the fight would make it a hate crime. This does not look like a hate crime. Were they yelling racial obscenities before during and after? I didn't hear any | |
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sassybritches said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I refuse to believe the rational put forth by those opposed to "hate crime" legislation. I don't think the issue is that "thought" is being persecuted, I believe they don't want certain classes of people being recognized by the law.
the issue, at the bottom line, is that a violent crime is a violent crime and this is so regardless of the motivation behind it. here's an idea: just administer harsh penalties for all violent crimes...and enforce them all! would this include domestic violence as well? I heard this same argument from a cop who didn't understand why there had to be "special" laws in place for domestic/family violence situations. I told HER that sometimes ya'll ignore violence within a household and just say "let them work it out." The history of non arrests and deaths due to domestic violence is the reason for the special laws. | |
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Isn't the emotion behind anyone who beats on another hate?
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gemini13 said: Isn't the emotion behind anyone who beats on another hate?
If this isn't a hate crime, what is it? Not necessarily! When I was younger, there was this big girl that used to bully and pick on me every single day at school, on the way home school, when she'd see me going to the store, whenever and wherever she could catch me. Well, one day I was just sick and tired of it. She was following me home from the bus stop with her entourage in tow, talking about me, laughing at me and saying she was going to beat me up. I let her do this all the way until we were just a few doors from my house, then suddenly I turned around and commenced to beating her motherfucking ass. I didn't hate her, I was sick of her shit but I didn't hate her. As a matter of fact, we became good friends after that and she even asked me one day, what took me so long to knock some damn sense into her? Now as for what the incident in the video is if it isn't a hate crime? I'm still not sure as I indicated in my prior post in this subject but I still don't think this was a hate crime because there appears to have been some sort of provocation prior to the incident caught on tape. A hate crime is carried out with very little to no provocation other than someone not liking the color of someone's skin , national origin, sexuality or religion. [Edited 10/12/07 7:04am] | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: gemini13 said: Isn't the emotion behind anyone who beats on another hate?
If this isn't a hate crime, what is it? Not necessarily! When I was younger, there was this big girl that used to bully and pick on me every single day at school, on the way home school, when she'd see me going to the store, whenever and wherever she could catch me. Well, one day I was just sick and tired of it. She was following me home from the bus stop with her entourage in tow, talking about me, laughing at me and saying she was going to beat me up. I let her do this all the way until we were just a few doors from my house, then suddenly I turned around and commenced to beating her motherfucking ass. I didn't hate her, I was sick of her shit but I didn't hate her. As a matter of fact, we became good friends after that and she even asked me one day, what took me so long to knock some damn sense into her? Now as for what the incident in the video is if it isn't a hate crime? I'm still not sure as I indicated in my prior post in this subject but I still don't think this was a hate crime because there appears to have been some sort of provocation prior to the incident caught on tape. A hate crime is carried out with very little to no provocation other than someone not liking the color of someone's skin , national origin, sexuality or religion.[Edited 10/12/07 7:04am] Did you beat her ass good?!
And right, which is exactly why there needs to be Hate Crime Laws - To help prevent some idiot from doing crimes against someone solely based on their color, creed, religion, or sexual orientation. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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sassybritches said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I refuse to believe the rational put forth by those opposed to "hate crime" legislation. I don't think the issue is that "thought" is being persecuted, I believe they don't want certain classes of people being recognized by the law.
the issue, at the bottom line, is that a violent crime is a violent crime and this is so regardless of the motivation behind it. here's an idea: just administer harsh penalties for all violent crimes...and enforce them all! I agree 300 percent...I'm surprised that more people aren't outraged by this video..I would have thought that Al Sharpton and Jesse would have commented on this by now....(oh, there's no way to skew it to make the blacks look like the victim..) | |
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LoveAlive said: sassybritches said: the issue, at the bottom line, is that a violent crime is a violent crime and this is so regardless of the motivation behind it. here's an idea: just administer harsh penalties for all violent crimes...and enforce them all! I agree 300 percent...I'm surprised that more people aren't outraged by this video..I would have thought that Al Sharpton and Jesse would have commented on this by now....(oh, there's no way to skew it to make the blacks look like the victim..) I agree. So then, where's Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly speaking about their outrage on this? Surely those Uncle Toms would be quick to jump on this, right? New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: LoveAlive said: I agree 300 percent...I'm surprised that more people aren't outraged by this video..I would have thought that Al Sharpton and Jesse would have commented on this by now....(oh, there's no way to skew it to make the blacks look like the victim..) I agree. So then, where's Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly speaking about their outrage on this? Surely those Uncle Toms would be quick to jump on this, right? They would have to be Uncle Tom's FIRST tho..  | |
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LoveAlive said: MuthaFunka said: I agree. So then, where's Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly speaking about their outrage on this? Surely those Uncle Toms would be quick to jump on this, right? They would have to be Uncle Tom's FIRST tho.. But of course! They must be HEROES to YOU!  New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: LoveAlive said: They would have to be Uncle Tom's FIRST tho.. But of course! They must be HEROES to YOU! not so much, they arent authentically black enough... they speak too proper and refer too much to books and reading.. [Edited 10/12/07 11:38am] | |
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LoveAlive said: MuthaFunka said: But of course! They must be HEROES to YOU! not so much, they arent authentically black enough... they speak too proper and refer too much to books and reading.. [Edited 10/12/07 11:38am]  Is THAT what you think makes someone "authentically black" - So you must be a HUGE fan of O.J.! New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: LoveAlive said: not so much, they arent authentically black enough... they speak too proper and refer too much to books and reading.. [Edited 10/12/07 11:38am] Is THAT what you think makes someone "authentically black" - So you must be a HUGE fan of O.J.! Not so much, Im actually a huge fan of Sharpton and Jesse..they have the power to skew and exploit certain people's "lack of a mind" for their own self-serving purposes..those are my TRUE heroes.... | |
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LoveAlive said: MuthaFunka said: Is THAT what you think makes someone "authentically black" - So you must be a HUGE fan of O.J.! Not so much, Im actually a huge fan of Sharpton and Jesse..they have the power to skew and exploit certain people's "lack of a mind" for their own self-serving purposes..those are my TRUE heroes.... So that easily means you're TREMEMNDOUS fans of Ward and Clarence. Got it! They self-hate like no one we've ever seen before. Why do you think that is? Just a question. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: LoveAlive said: Not so much, Im actually a huge fan of Sharpton and Jesse..they have the power to skew and exploit certain people's "lack of a mind" for their own self-serving purposes..those are my TRUE heroes.... So that easily means you're TREMEMNDOUS fans of Ward and Clarence. Got it! They self-hate like no one we've ever seen before. Why do you think that is? Just a question. Clarence dares to have an independant thought...you know how we arent allowed to do that | |
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