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Who invented Hell.... I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... most likely mom and dad. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" |
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Theres a hell in everyone's mind. Hope that answered your question | |
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OperatingThetan said: Men.
The 'Old Testament' Hell (or Hades, Sheol etc) with its soul-sleep was not frightening enough, so new testament revisers, translators and church 'fathers' arrived at the concept of 'hell': a place where the 'unfaithful' are roasted in agony for eternity. In other words, you'd better believe, or it is prudent to at least follow the faith (however half-heartedly), otherwise you may find yourself tortured for an eternity. But God 'loves' you. Really, he does. It is important to remember and consider that it is not only Christianity which holds a doctrine of 'hell' but also Islam. Both Christianity and Islam are obvious off-shots and developments of Judaism. exactly | |
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OperatingThetan said: Men.
The 'Old Testament' Hell (or Hades, Sheol etc) with its soul-sleep was not frightening enough, so new testament revisers, translators and church 'fathers' arrived at the concept of 'hell': a place where the 'unfaithful' are roasted in agony for eternity. In other words, you'd better believe, or it is prudent to at least follow the faith (however half-heartedly), otherwise you may find yourself tortured for an eternity. But God 'loves' you. Really, he does. It is important to remember and consider that it is not only Christianity which holds a doctrine of 'hell' but also Islam. Both Christianity and Islam are obvious off-shots and developments of Judaism. They had to find some way to MAKE people believe. I just wonder how come so many people wont look to common sense and just question it using knowlede that's gained from just living....or else there wouldnt be so many people living in their own insanity. People go crazy about this thing When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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The concept of Hell was created to instill fear so that the tenets of religion would followed. After all, if there is no consequence to not following the orders of whatever delusional holy man you are supposed to be obeying, then there's a little bit of a problem there. * * * *
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NoVideo said: The concept of Hell was created to instill fear so that the tenets of religion would followed. After all, if there is no consequence to not following the orders of whatever delusional holy man you are supposed to be obeying, then there's a little bit of a problem there.
 How come people dont see that though?When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: NoVideo said: The concept of Hell was created to instill fear so that the tenets of religion would followed. After all, if there is no consequence to not following the orders of whatever delusional holy man you are supposed to be obeying, then there's a little bit of a problem there.
How come people dont see that though?some do, some don't. We really should be beyond religion now as a civilization. Religion was necessary 2000 years ago when nobody knew what the fuck was going on, and there were huge gaping holes that needed to be answered. "God" was the answer to anything we didn't know. Now folks try and twist and turn everything we've learned over the past 2000 years to fit their religious ideas. It's kinda like a cosmic game of Twister, lol. I just read an article in someone's blog about how the countries with the highest number of atheists and agnostics are the most advanced in many different ways. In fact, let me post it: Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world: 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) Interestingly, the survey states that "high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism. In some societies, particularly Europe , atheism is growing. However, throughout much of the world – particularly nations with high birth rates – atheism is barely discernable." http://www.pitzer.edu/aca...heism.html It's time to start saying ENOUGH to organized religion. It's a scourge on society. The older I get, the more convinced I am that it's holding us back in a significant way. * * * *
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NoVideo said: paisleypark4 said: How come people dont see that though?some do, some don't. We really should be beyond religion now as a civilization. Religion was necessary 2000 years ago when nobody knew what the fuck was going on, and there were huge gaping holes that needed to be answered. "God" was the answer to anything we didn't know. Now folks try and twist and turn everything we've learned over the past 2000 years to fit their religious ideas. It's kinda like a cosmic game of Twister, lol. I just read an article in someone's blog about how the countries with the highest number of atheists and agnostics are the most advanced in many different ways. In fact, let me post it: Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world: 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) Interestingly, the survey states that "high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism. In some societies, particularly Europe , atheism is growing. However, throughout much of the world – particularly nations with high birth rates – atheism is barely discernable." http://www.pitzer.edu/aca...heism.html It's time to start saying ENOUGH to organized religion. It's a scourge on society. The older I get, the more convinced I am that it's holding us back in a significant way. It definitley is. I cant guess how many serial murderer book I have read in which they thought they were doing a favor "for god" or "the devil". I just had to make this topic because I feel like I'm alone and I know there are better natural honest ways of thinking. I just want to be amongst some. Maybe in 100 years from now we will be more spiritually in touch. When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: Maybe in 100 years from now we will be more spiritually in touch. Personally, I'm hoping that 100 years from now reality will have a greater hold over society than superstition and fantasy. We have a LONG way to go unfortunately. * * * *
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paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... WEll, The word Hell actually comes from the Norse Concept of Helheim, which is the Abode of the unvirtuous dead, it was actually a cold and dreary place of misery ruled by the Goddess Hel, Daughter of Loki. She is a frightening God, She is described in the Edda's thusly: "She has great possessions there; her walls are exceeding high and her gates great. Her hall is called Sleet-Cold; her dish, Hunger; Famine is her knife; Idler, her slave; Sloven, her maidservant; Pit of Stumbling, her threshold, by which one enters; Disease, her bed; Gleaming Bale, her bed-hangings. She is half blue-black and half flesh-color (by which she is easily recognized), and very lowering and fierce." It is to her home that those who die without honor go after death. | |
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byronic said: paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... WEll, The word Hell actually comes from the Norse Concept of Helheim, which is the Abode of the unvirtuous dead, it was actually a cold and dreary place of misery ruled by the Goddess Hel, Daughter of Loki. She is a frightening God, She is described in the Edda's thusly: "She has great possessions there; her walls are exceeding high and her gates great. Her hall is called Sleet-Cold; her dish, Hunger; Famine is her knife; Idler, her slave; Sloven, her maidservant; Pit of Stumbling, her threshold, by which one enters; Disease, her bed; Gleaming Bale, her bed-hangings. She is half blue-black and half flesh-color (by which she is easily recognized), and very lowering and fierce." It is to her home that those who die without honor go after death. So thus is mythology too right? When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: byronic said: WEll, The word Hell actually comes from the Norse Concept of Helheim, which is the Abode of the unvirtuous dead, it was actually a cold and dreary place of misery ruled by the Goddess Hel, Daughter of Loki. She is a frightening God, She is described in the Edda's thusly: "She has great possessions there; her walls are exceeding high and her gates great. Her hall is called Sleet-Cold; her dish, Hunger; Famine is her knife; Idler, her slave; Sloven, her maidservant; Pit of Stumbling, her threshold, by which one enters; Disease, her bed; Gleaming Bale, her bed-hangings. She is half blue-black and half flesh-color (by which she is easily recognized), and very lowering and fierce." It is to her home that those who die without honor go after death. So thus is mythology too right? one man's mythology is another mans truth. just because something is mythology doesn't make it untrue. | |
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byronic said: paisleypark4 said: So thus is mythology too right? one man's mythology is another mans truth. just because something is mythology doesn't make it untrue. So to belive it just because makes it correct truth right? Makes alot of sense... When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: byronic said: one man's mythology is another mans truth. just because something is mythology doesn't make it untrue. So to belive it just because makes it correct truth right? Makes alot of sense... if it's true to you doesn't mean it has to be true to me, in the end, we all live within our own minds, and all wrangling over objective truth is worthless. if you believe in something, it is truth, even if it's a lie. | |
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byronic said: paisleypark4 said: So to belive it just because makes it correct truth right? Makes alot of sense... if it's true to you doesn't mean it has to be true to me, in the end, we all live within our own minds, and all wrangling over objective truth is worthless. if you believe in something, it is truth, even if it's a lie. I think this type of thinking needs to change, personally. Would you say the same to someone who believes blacks are an inferior race? That it’s "truth" if you believe it? Religion is the single biggest threat facing our civilization today. It is the cause of innumerable deaths every year due to disease because of fear and superstition, because of prejudice, because of war. Not to mention the guilt, shame, misery, corruption and greed it spawns. I’m tired of being tolerant of idiotic superstitions that threaten not only me, but society as a whole. Folks need to be educated about how these myths began, and what has been done and is still being done in the name of all these different "Gods." * * * *
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NoVideo said: byronic said: if it's true to you doesn't mean it has to be true to me, in the end, we all live within our own minds, and all wrangling over objective truth is worthless. if you believe in something, it is truth, even if it's a lie. I think this type of thinking needs to change, personally. Would you say the same to someone who believes blacks are an inferior race? That it’s "truth" if you believe it? Religion is the single biggest threat facing our civilization today. It is the cause of innumerable deaths every year due to disease because of fear and superstition, because of prejudice, because of war. Not to mention the guilt, shame, misery, corruption and greed it spawns. I’m tired of being tolerant of idiotic superstitions that threaten not only me, but society as a whole. Folks need to be educated about how these myths began, and what has been done and is still being done in the name of all these different "Gods." exactly, and people need to learn that their truth is not everyone's truth. the problem comes when your own personal truth begins to cnflict with that of others. when people begin to say "this is Truth and you must believe it!" my beliefs don't have to be yours and if you reject them, it doesn't negate me. beliefs become a threat to others when they are directed at others, | |
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byronic said: NoVideo said: I think this type of thinking needs to change, personally. Would you say the same to someone who believes blacks are an inferior race? That it’s "truth" if you believe it? Religion is the single biggest threat facing our civilization today. It is the cause of innumerable deaths every year due to disease because of fear and superstition, because of prejudice, because of war. Not to mention the guilt, shame, misery, corruption and greed it spawns. I’m tired of being tolerant of idiotic superstitions that threaten not only me, but society as a whole. Folks need to be educated about how these myths began, and what has been done and is still being done in the name of all these different "Gods." exactly, and people need to learn that their truth is not everyone's truth. the problem comes when your own personal truth begins to cnflict with that of others. when people begin to say "this is Truth and you must believe it!" my beliefs don't have to be yours and if you reject them, it doesn't negate me. beliefs become a threat to others when they are directed at others, unfortunately, history has shown us that religious beliefs ARE directed at others. It's unavoidable. We need a new age of enlightenment. Time to let go of old superstitions and fears, and move forward as a society. I suppose it's a pipe dream  * * * *
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NoVideo said: I just read an article in someone's blog about how the countries with the highest number of atheists and agnostics are the most advanced in many different ways. In fact, let me post it:
Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world: 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) That list is as full of "backwards" countries as it is "advanced" countries. Second Funkiest White Man in America   It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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RodeoSchro said: NoVideo said: I just read an article in someone's blog about how the countries with the highest number of atheists and agnostics are the most advanced in many different ways. In fact, let me post it:
Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world: 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) That list is as full of "backwards" countries as it is "advanced" countries. Really? Which countries on the list would you classify as "backwards", and how do you reach that conclusion, especially in light of the study linked above which provides specific statistics? * * * *
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byronic said: NoVideo said: I think this type of thinking needs to change, personally. Would you say the same to someone who believes blacks are an inferior race? That it’s "truth" if you believe it? Religion is the single biggest threat facing our civilization today. It is the cause of innumerable deaths every year due to disease because of fear and superstition, because of prejudice, because of war. Not to mention the guilt, shame, misery, corruption and greed it spawns. I’m tired of being tolerant of idiotic superstitions that threaten not only me, but society as a whole. Folks need to be educated about how these myths began, and what has been done and is still being done in the name of all these different "Gods." exactly, and people need to learn that their truth is not everyone's truth. the problem comes when your own personal truth begins to cnflict with that of others. when people begin to say "this is Truth and you must believe it!"my beliefs don't have to be yours and if you reject them, it doesn't negate me. beliefs become a threat to others when they are directed at others, Exactly. I cannot stand it when religion is pushed on me. I know in their mind they think they might be 'saving me' however I feel like Im as close to my spirit as they say they are..without their 'help'. Its like salesman who force products you don't want on you. This is when the part of me wants to retaliate. When somebody tells me I NEED to do something or I will "die in hell forever", I lose all interst in what they have to say to me all together. Some people think they need to hear that though. I'll never deposit one more cent in2 a pastors pocket. And I work at a bank, and believe me they making bank  ... in the name of Jesus...When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... God designed it and invented/created it for the devil and his angels only.  "I am the way, the truth and the life; No man cometh unto the father, but by me." - Jesus of Nazareth (John 14:6) | |
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paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... http://en.wikipedia.org/w...%28film%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ine_Comedy Hell is science fiction. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
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If you want my honest opinion.....
THE B EST
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lazycrockett said: paisleypark4 said: I wanna know who invented hell because the shit scared so many people, and actually in the end caused so many many people misery here on Earth ever since it was invented.
Lets think about it. Go beyond the book, and look in2 your very own spirit and pull out the answer. Go beyond the religion and books and just give me the God in U... most likely mom and dad. The same person who created Santa Claus, the immortal spirit idea; the easter egg, the tooth fairy...etc. So...how's everybody doing?  | |
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myfavorite said: If you want my honest opinion.....
God, since the begininng, seems to have been unsure of himself. Why would he have commissioned war against his "enemies" what were they doing??? He had to tell his own people how to bathe and not sleep with each others children, etc Then, he wasn't sastisfied, he split his own kingdom, for what, more glory??? Judah and Israel still weren't living according to his plan, so then he "needed" a son. All Jesus' sacrifice was for was the penalty of sin, not the separation from God sin causes. So there is hell, waiting, until we reconcile our relationship with God So, What is Hell for anyway???? We have enough issues just trying to feed ourselves. Do I need fire and brimstone on my back? I know what I need to do. My biggest problem is that I really can't appreciate how God gives bread to the children and leaves crumbs for the "dogs," the faithful, puppy rearing pets, that continue, no matter what the master does, to love, listen and yearn for his attention, whether we understand or not. What God on earth or heaven would be jealous or vengeful of a dog, actually people, who may not be as versed, we call them dogs too. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the list goes on, yet hell was not mentioned. On the 7th day he rested, and according to the book, the sabbath day of rest for God continues. Someone else came up with the hellfire doctrine with the aim of dishonoring God. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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