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Thread started 05/29/07 10:27am

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Dutch show has kidney donation contest

A Dutch reality show that claims to be trying to draw attention to a shortage of organ donors said Tuesday it would go ahead with a program in which a terminally ill woman will choose a contestant to receive one of her kidneys.

The program, "Big Donor Show," has been attacked as unethical and tasteless. One member of the Dutch parliament suggested the government should block Friday's broadcast.

"We know that this program is super controversial and some people will think it's tasteless, but we think the reality is even more shocking and tasteless: waiting for an organ is just like playing the lottery," Laurens Drillich, chairman of the BNN network, said in a statement.

He said waiting lists in the Netherlands are more than four years long and 200 patients die annually for lack of a donor.

The network identified the donor as "Lisa," a 37-year-old woman with an inoperable brain tumor. During the show, she will hear interviews with the three candidates, their families and friends before choosing who will get her kidney.

The show is being produced by Endemol NV, the creator of the "Big Brother" series.

A spokeswoman for BNN said that there could be no guarantees the donation would actually be made, "but the intention is" Lisa's donation would be carried out before she died.

That is because her wish to donate to a particular candidate "wouldn't be valid anymore after her death" under Dutch donation rules, Marieke Saly said. If Lisa does donate one kidney while living, the other kidney may still be awarded to someone else on a national donation waiting list under the country's organ allotment system.

Viewers will be able to vote for the candidate they feel is most deserving via SMS text message, but "Lisa will determine who the happy one is," BNN said in a statement.

Saly could not say how much it will cost to send an SMS, but most TV programs charge around $1.35.

Joop Atsma, a lawmaker of the ruling Christian Democrats, raised the issue in parliament, asking the government whether the program violated any law.

"Is it desirable that public broadcasting would go down this path, and is there no way to send a strong signal that we reject this?" he said.

Education Minister Ronald Plasterk, addressing parliament on behalf of the government because the health minister was ill, replied that there were serious questions about whether the transplant would actually go through as BNN has advertised it — but that there was no way to stop the program from airing.

"The information I have right now tells me that the program is unfitting and unethical, especially due to the competitive element, but it's up to program makers to make their choices," he said.

"The constitution forbids me from interfering in the content of programs: let there be no mistake about that, that would be censorship."

He said that there were practical barriers.

"In every transplant the tissue of the donor and the patient must match as much as possible," Plasterk said. "The doctors in this program can't make any concessions on that front."

There also was doubt whether Lisa's organs could be donated at all because it might spread her cancer, he said.

"So it's very possible that in practical terms we're not talking about anything here, because it's possible this transplant can't take place," he said.

Noting the shortage of donors, he said it was a good time for a debate on the question of what incentives to donate are ethical.

He cited the example of a Dutch funeral home that is offering discounts to the families of people who were registered as donors, and an idea presented by the country's Kidney Institute to give registered donors preference on organ waiting lists.

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Reply #1 posted 05/29/07 10:55am

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this seems a bit over the top. 'entertainment' is not watching a dying person compete to win a life-saving organ.

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Reply #2 posted 05/29/07 11:03am

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XxAxX said:

this seems a bit over the top. 'entertainment' is not watching a dying person compete to win a life-saving organ.



Exactly! The world is out of control.

IMHO - everyone should donate their organs. Afterall, you are dead and in no need of them. I'm sure if there really is a heaven you would be forgiven and hopefully praised for giving the gift of life!

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Reply #3 posted 05/29/07 11:08am

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I dunno - I think it's kinda a cool concept.

If this was done as a "documentary" instead of a "contest" the views on it would certainly be different.

I hope the donor "Lisa" gets to live to see something positive come from her illness. I'm also certain that both the contestants (who are in need) get their message out there that more people need to be donors. Even if they do not get chosen to be a recipient in this show, perhaps a viewer will feel touched by their plight and come forward.

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Reply #4 posted 05/29/07 11:27am

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A Dutch reality show that claims to be trying to draw attention to a shortage of organ donors said Tuesday it would go ahead with a program in which a terminally ill woman will choose a contestant to receive one of her kidneys.

Letting sick people compete on TV for a kidney of a dying person smacks of profiteering on the sick and dying. Knowing the producer Endemol (I've negotiated deals with them), I am sure they are in this solely for the money. They see 'fantastic reality drama'= BIG $$$. The broadcaster BNN may have a serious interest in adressing this issue, but is definitly also looking for high ratings.

"We know that this program is super controversial and some people will think it's tasteless, but we think the reality is even more shocking and tasteless: waiting for an organ is just like playing the lottery," Laurens Drillich, chairman of the BNN network, said in a statement.

When you deplore the reality don't replicate it, but give a better example.

Viewers will be able to vote for the candidate they feel is most deserving via SMS text message, but "Lisa will determine who the happy one is," BNN said in a statement.

Saly could not say how much it will cost to send an SMS, but most TV programs charge around $1.35.

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Reply #5 posted 05/29/07 11:33am

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MuaPetahl said:

I dunno - I think it's kinda a cool concept.

If this was done as a "documentary" instead of a "contest" the views on it would certainly be different.

I hope the donor "Lisa" gets to live to see something positive come from her illness. I'm also certain that both the contestants (who are in need) get their message out there that more people need to be donors. Even if they do not get chosen to be a recipient in this show, perhaps a viewer will feel touched by their plight and come forward.
Personally, I think it is sick to have people competing. Imagine how the people who lose would feel.

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Reply #6 posted 05/29/07 11:57am

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Lothan said:

MuaPetahl said:

I dunno - I think it's kinda a cool concept.

If this was done as a "documentary" instead of a "contest" the views on it would certainly be different.

I hope the donor "Lisa" gets to live to see something positive come from her illness. I'm also certain that both the contestants (who are in need) get their message out there that more people need to be donors. Even if they do not get chosen to be a recipient in this show, perhaps a viewer will feel touched by their plight and come forward.
Personally, I think it is sick to have people competing. Imagine how the people who lose would feel.



Just curious, what exactly is it that you think they would be losing??

They may not win the contest, but they certainly aren't losing anything.
If you took the time to read what I actually wrote, I clearly stated that I feel the contest brings awareness to something of great importance. It is quite likey that the audience will consider signing organ donor cards AND get screened for the database to be a living donor.

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Reply #7 posted 05/29/07 12:01pm

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ugh...

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yes, they seem to be making a good point in drawing attention to the donor programs, but this could be handled in a lot better of ways.
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Reply #8 posted 05/29/07 12:28pm

Lothan

MuaPetahl said:

Lothan said:

Personally, I think it is sick to have people competing. Imagine how the people who lose would feel.



Just curious, what exactly is it that you think they would be losing??

They may not win the contest, but they certainly aren't losing anything.
If you took the time to read what I actually wrote, I clearly stated that I feel the contest brings awareness to something of great importance. It is quite likey that the audience will consider signing organ donor cards AND get screened for the database to be a living donor.
Don't be insulting, I did read what you wrote. I just don't agree with you.

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Reply #9 posted 05/29/07 12:33pm

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Lothan said:

MuaPetahl said:




Just curious, what exactly is it that you think they would be losing??

They may not win the contest, but they certainly aren't losing anything.
If you took the time to read what I actually wrote, I clearly stated that I feel the contest brings awareness to something of great importance. It is quite likey that the audience will consider signing organ donor cards AND get screened for the database to be a living donor.
Don't be insulting, I did read what you wrote. I just don't agree with you.


You don't agree that people should be more aware of organ donation?

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Reply #10 posted 05/29/07 12:36pm

Lothan

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Lothan said:

Don't be insulting, I did read what you wrote. I just don't agree with you.


You don't agree that people should be more aware of organ donation?
No, I am an organ donor myself. I just disagree that this is a good thing, even if it were done as a documentary. It's exploitation.

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Reply #11 posted 05/29/07 2:41pm

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BNN is a public channel, it is not a commercial enterprise. Besides, I doubt they will get wealthy from the amount of SMSes they will receive.
Secondly, this may have been mentioned in the article but i didn't read it, the founder of BNN was a young guy who died 5 years ago because he could not get a donor kidney.
Thirdly, BNN is a channel for the 18-25 age bracket, it is not for old snouty people with civilized opinions.

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Reply #12 posted 05/29/07 2:57pm

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Bloody ridicules program, donating and transplantation is a serious topic it shouldn’t be made into a game show.

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Reply #13 posted 05/29/07 4:25pm

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BNN is a public channel, it is not a commercial enterprise. Besides, I doubt they will get wealthy from the amount of SMSes they will receive.
Secondly, this may have been mentioned in the article but i didn't read it, the founder of BNN was a young guy who died 5 years ago because he could not get a donor kidney.Thirdly, BNN is a channel for the 18-25 age bracket, it is not for old snouty people with civilized opinions.



that makes a difference. in that case, this reality show could be cosntrued as a means of raising public awareness about the lack of donor organs
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Reply #14 posted 05/29/07 8:03pm

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When an organ becomes available, doctor's make the decisions on who is it given to. There are a number of factors that they consider - essentially making anyone in need a game show contestant.

If you are on a waiting list, you may be bumped by someone younger, someone with a different lifestyle than yours, or, in certain countries, someone with more money (insurance). These are just a few of the reasons you many not receive that organ by playing the system's "game".

It may not matter that you are in a more urgent need (in fact that may play against you), It may not matter that you have been on the list longer than others. It may not matter that your tissue match is better than others.

However.. if a family member, friend, kind stranger, or even an "organ broker" gives to a specific individual - the "lottery" aspect of it bypassed.

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From how the show is described, I don't think that there will be a giant spin-wheel that lights up to determine the "winner".

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Reply #15 posted 05/30/07 1:04am

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BNN is a public channel, it is not a commercial enterprise. Besides, I doubt they will get wealthy from the amount of SMSes they will receive.
Secondly, this may have been mentioned in the article but i didn't read it, the founder of BNN was a young guy who died 5 years ago because he could not get a donor kidney.
Thirdly, BNN is a channel for the 18-25 age bracket, it is not for old snouty people with civilized opinions.



It don't matter one iota whether it's a public channel or whether its founder didn't find a donor for himself.

There are plenty of LESS disgracefull ways to draw attention to this issue other than letting sick people COMPETE over a kidney and letting viewers vote wheteher they live or die.

If this show draws a lot of viewers, a sms text message at 1.35 euro ensures them and the COMMERCIAL producer Endemol BIG MONEY.

That intent is very clearly present and it's a shame you ignore it.

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Reply #16 posted 05/30/07 8:13am

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m3taverse said:

BNN is a public channel, it is not a commercial enterprise. Besides, I doubt they will get wealthy from the amount of SMSes they will receive.
Secondly, this may have been mentioned in the article but i didn't read it, the founder of BNN was a young guy who died 5 years ago because he could not get a donor kidney.
Thirdly, BNN is a channel for the 18-25 age bracket, it is not for old snouty people with civilized opinions.



It don't matter one iota whether it's a public channel or whether its founder didn't find a donor for himself.

There are plenty of LESS disgracefull ways to draw attention to this issue other than letting sick people COMPETE over a kidney and letting viewers vote wheteher they live or die.

If this show draws a lot of viewers, a sms text message at 1.35 euro ensures them and the COMMERCIAL producer Endemol BIG MONEY.

That intent is very clearly present and it's a shame you ignore it.


You're a bit over the top here aren't you. This is a one-off TV show, not a series. It's on a channel and time slot that will give it 600.000 viewers at the very most. Well maybe cos of the press they can get a bit more than that.
This is not a big thing at all. I might feel different if this were an actual series and designed to reach a much broader audience.
As it seems most people do not fill out their donor forms, even tho polls show most people would do it if they weren't so friggin lazy, I have no objection to a broadcaster focussed on the 18-25 age bracket making some noise about this.

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Reply #17 posted 05/30/07 1:13pm

Abrazo

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Abrazo said:




It don't matter one iota whether it's a public channel or whether its founder didn't find a donor for himself.

There are plenty of LESS disgracefull ways to draw attention to this issue other than letting sick people COMPETE over a kidney and letting viewers vote wheteher they live or die.

If this show draws a lot of viewers, a sms text message at 1.35 euro ensures them and the COMMERCIAL producer Endemol BIG MONEY.

That intent is very clearly present and it's a shame you ignore it.


I might feel different if this were an actual series and designed to reach a much broader audience.


Yeah, cuz it's so much better to make money "only once" on "only 600.000 people tops".
I don't know where you get that info from, but knowing its producer, it will be a series when it SELLS.
I can see why you think I am over the top when you keep on ignoring that tiny little "detail".

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Reply #18 posted 05/30/07 3:28pm

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m3taverse said:



I might feel different if this were an actual series and designed to reach a much broader audience.


Yeah, cuz it's so much better to make money "only once" on "only 600.000 people tops".
I don't know where you get that info from, but knowing its producer, it will be a series when it SELLS.
I can see why you think I am over the top when you keep on ignoring that tiny little "detail".


I don't judge things for what they might become in the future. What it is right now is a bunch of kids telling a bunch of other kids to fill out their damn donor forms. There's nothing wrong with that. I definitely agree that their chosen method is confrontational to say the least. But then we both know that this is what works in the targetted age bracket.
If this would become an institutionalized organ lottery, then yes, I might have another opinion. Even then I'm not sure. It's up to the people who need organs to say if this is acceptable or not. I'm not about to tell anyone how to live their lifes based on my narrow definition of what is right and wrong.

Still, I have my VCR ready for when Bill O'Reilly picks up on this ... besides the prostitution, gay marriage, pedofile party, euthanasia and liberal drug laws, we can now add this to our Dutch resume!
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Reply #19 posted 06/01/07 1:27pm

m3taverse

"TV kidney competition was a hoax"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...714063.stm lol lol lol

What say you now, old people.

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Reply #20 posted 06/01/07 6:15pm

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m3taverse said:

"TV kidney competition was a hoax"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...714063.stm lol lol lol

What say you now, old people.




I watched it live.....it was amazing! clapping

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I thought of the book "Coma" by Robin Cook...

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