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A MILLION thanks... for the troops like the war or not we all should take part in this...
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I'll thank them.
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aDoveAmongVultures said: I'll thank them.
Just as soon as our commander in chief brings them home. 
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aDoveAmongVultures said: I'll thank them.
Just as soon as our commander in chief brings them home. have you ever met then at an air port? come on spend 5 cents drop by a dealership and say thank you now... | |
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One of my buddies - the astronaut that SlamGlam doesn't believe has been selected to fly to the moon - served in the Gulf war and is organizing a shipment of supplies to another one of our buddies who just shipped off to Afghanistan for a year. That fellow commands a unit in southern Afghanistan.
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Honest question: why should we take part in this? | |
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Lothan said: Honest question: why should we take part in this?
Because our troops were not the ones who made the incorrect decision to invade Iraq. And one day, we're going to need them to go somewhere that's actually important. And in either scenario, they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free. So you should do this. [Edited 5/24/07 9:45am] Second Funkiest White Man in America It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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RodeoSchro said: Lothan said: Honest question: why should we take part in this?
Because our troops were not the ones who made the incorrect decision to invade Iraq. And one day, we're going to need them to go somewhere that's actually important. And in either scenario, they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free. So you should do this. [Edited 5/24/07 9:45am] I respect the troops as humans. I don't respect what they continue to do, however. If they think what they're doing is wrong, they have the ability to stop. Yes, there are consequences. If they believe what the US is doing is wrong, they will face those consequences. I understand they are doing a job. A lot of employees work for companies that do unethical things. Those who disagree with the company's practices leave. I have a friend in the military and she will not even comment on what she thinks. She won't even have the discussion with her own family. That is what our government requires of these troops. No. I will save the card for their return. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Lothan said: Honest question: why should we take part in this?
Because our troops were not the ones who made the incorrect decision to invade Iraq. And one day, we're going to need them to go somewhere that's actually important. And in either scenario, they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free. So you should do this. [Edited 5/24/07 9:45am] | |
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If I buy into U're LIE
The TRUTH.......only exist in 1 form.
The TRUTH. | |
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aDoveAmongVultures said: I respect the troops as humans. I don't respect what they continue to do, however. If they think what they're doing is wrong, they have the ability to stop. Yes, there are consequences. If they believe what the US is doing is wrong, they will face those consequences. I understand they are doing a job. A lot of employees work for companies that do unethical things. Those who disagree with the company's practices leave.
Exactly. But apparently it is honorable and brave to get your legs blown off by an IED or get shot in the head by a sniper in an illegal invasion and occupation, while standing up against this and risking your pension is just too risky. Go figure. Apparently it is honorable to risk your life and limbs in an illegal invasion and occupation for a small wage while guns for hire earn a multitude of what you earn for doing cosier jobs and without the risk of getting punished if you torture or kill an unarmed civilian. When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who decided it was too much bother to run this war and appointed a war czar to do that job? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who is a deserter? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who allowed cronyism to screw up military hospitals like Walter Reed? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who fired generals when they said things he didn't like? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who doesn't even bother to attend the funerals of fallen soldiers? When will the troops realise that someone who joined the NATIONAL Guard has no business being in a country on the other side of the world that never attacked the US? When will the troops support the troops? RodeoSchro said: they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free.
Except for the ones who rape or torture people. Or the ones who kill women and children (while on a vengeance mission for instance). Or the ones who drop bombs on civilian targets. Or the ones who fire uranium tipped ammo. Or the ones who rape women soldiers (a frequent problem). Or the homophobic ones. Or are they also worthy of support? And before anyone points out that the Bushistas have allowed torture: if a soldier needs a guideline to figure out that waterboarding is torture, he shouldn't be a soldier in the first place, and he certainly hasn't earned any respect. It's been established long ago that "Befehl ist Befehl" isn't an excuse. . [Edited 5/24/07 12:45pm] © Bart Van Hemelen
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aDoveAmongVultures said: No. I will save the card for their return. sure you won't | |
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I would do this. Our poor troops need encouragement at this time. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: aDoveAmongVultures said: I respect the troops as humans. I don't respect what they continue to do, however. If they think what they're doing is wrong, they have the ability to stop. Yes, there are consequences. If they believe what the US is doing is wrong, they will face those consequences. I understand they are doing a job. A lot of employees work for companies that do unethical things. Those who disagree with the company's practices leave.
Exactly. But apparently it is honorable and brave to get your legs blown off by an IED or get shot in the head by a sniper in an illegal invasion and occupation, while standing up against this and risking your pension is just too risky. Go figure. Apparently it is honorable to risk your life and limbs in an illegal invasion and occupation for a small wage while guns for hire earn a multitude of what you earn for doing cosier jobs and without the risk of getting punished if you torture or kill an unarmed civilian. When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who decided it was too much bother to run this war and appointed a war czar to do that job? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who is a deserter? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who allowed cronyism to screw up military hospitals like Walter Reed? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who fired generals when they said things he didn't like? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who doesn't even bother to attend the funerals of fallen soldiers? When will the troops realise that someone who joined the NATIONAL Guard has no business being in a country on the other side of the world that never attacked the US? When will the troops support the troops? RodeoSchro said: they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free.
Except for the ones who rape or torture people. Or the ones who kill women and children (while on a vengeance mission for instance). Or the ones who drop bombs on civilian targets. Or the ones who fire uranium tipped ammo. Or the ones who rape women soldiers (a frequent problem). Or the homophobic ones. Or are they also worthy of support? And before anyone points out that the Bushistas have allowed torture: if a soldier needs a guideline to figure out that waterboarding is torture, he shouldn't be a soldier in the first place, and he certainly hasn't earned any respect. It's been established long ago that "Befehl ist Befehl" isn't an excuse. . [Edited 5/24/07 12:45pm] I need to point out that I don't hold the entire military accountable for the actions of the few. Individuals are responsible for individual acts. I do agree that this president has not held the best interest of his troops or acted in their best interest during this war. If these men are brave enough to face possible death, they should be so brave to reject the command of their unethical leader. | |
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SlamGlam said: aDoveAmongVultures said: No. I will save the card for their return. sure you won't You don't know me, I don't know you, and your opinion of me means nothing. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: aDoveAmongVultures said: I respect the troops as humans. I don't respect what they continue to do, however. If they think what they're doing is wrong, they have the ability to stop. Yes, there are consequences. If they believe what the US is doing is wrong, they will face those consequences. I understand they are doing a job. A lot of employees work for companies that do unethical things. Those who disagree with the company's practices leave.
Exactly. But apparently it is honorable and brave to get your legs blown off by an IED or get shot in the head by a sniper in an illegal invasion and occupation, while standing up against this and risking your pension is just too risky. Go figure. Apparently it is honorable to risk your life and limbs in an illegal invasion and occupation for a small wage while guns for hire earn a multitude of what you earn for doing cosier jobs and without the risk of getting punished if you torture or kill an unarmed civilian. When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who decided it was too much bother to run this war and appointed a war czar to do that job? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who is a deserter? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who allowed cronyism to screw up military hospitals like Walter Reed? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who fired generals when they said things he didn't like? When will the troops stand up to a "commander in chief" who doesn't even bother to attend the funerals of fallen soldiers? When will the troops realise that someone who joined the NATIONAL Guard has no business being in a country on the other side of the world that never attacked the US? When will the troops support the troops? RodeoSchro said: they'll do their job with the utmost in professionalism, and you will remain free.
Except for the ones who rape or torture people. Or the ones who kill women and children (while on a vengeance mission for instance). Or the ones who drop bombs on civilian targets. Or the ones who fire uranium tipped ammo. Or the ones who rape women soldiers (a frequent problem). Or the homophobic ones. Or are they also worthy of support? And before anyone points out that the Bushistas have allowed torture: if a soldier needs a guideline to figure out that waterboarding is torture, he shouldn't be a soldier in the first place, and he certainly hasn't earned any respect. It's been established long ago that "Befehl ist Befehl" isn't an excuse. . [Edited 5/24/07 12:45pm] it's easy to judge when you aren't facing life and death and more than likely under the age of 25 and fresh out of high school. most of my family has servered in the military, i think i'm one of 3 who hasn't. they deserve our support because they don't get the same access to info we do once they are over there. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: it's easy to judge when you aren't facing life and death and more than likely under the age of 25 and fresh out of high school.
If they're willing to face life & death, how come they don't show the same courage when the only thing they risk is their paychecks or pensions? ehuffnsd said: they deserve our support because they don't get the same access to info we do once they are over there.
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BartVanHemelen said: ehuffnsd said: they deserve our support because they don't get the same access to info we do once they are over there.
Sorry, but that's baloney. Please explain..... | |
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ConservativeThreadCreator said: BartVanHemelen said: Sorry, but that's baloney. Please explain..... Please explain... 
or do you agree with ehuffnsd? does the goverment/military censor all the news sources? do they restrict access to TV, radio, newspapers, phonecalls, eMail, letters? yeah, in theory they have internet access over there.. but in reality Halliburton charges them 500 bucks per minute and locks out certain "dangerous" websites, so there... so probably ehuffnsd and you are right... internal state controlled censorship is blooming, just like in the good ole USSR . [Edited 5/25/07 3:49am] “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” Han Solo
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BartVanHemelen said: ehuffnsd said: it's easy to judge when you aren't facing life and death and more than likely under the age of 25 and fresh out of high school.
If they're willing to face life & death, how come they don't show the same courage when the only thing they risk is their paychecks or pensions? ehuffnsd said: they deserve our support because they don't get the same access to info we do once they are over there.
Sorry, but that's baloney. | |
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Lothan said: BartVanHemelen said: Sorry, but that's baloney. Keep in mind that in January 2006 - less than 18 months ago - a poll was taken of our troops in Iraq, and 3/4 of them thought we went to war with Iraq in retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11. Saddam had no role in 9/11. Either our troops are absolute morons, or they DON'T get the same news we do. Or to put it more bluntly, their Commander-in-chief and his subordinates have lied to them and misled the hell out of them. Second Funkiest White Man in America It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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RodeoSchro said: Lothan said: I believe that is baloney as well particularly when people are still headed over to Iraq to this very day fully knowing the war was started for less than honorable reasons.
Keep in mind that in January 2006 - less than 18 months ago - a poll was taken of our troops in Iraq, and 3/4 of them thought we went to war with Iraq in retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11. Saddam had no role in 9/11. Either our troops are absolute morons, or they DON'T get the same news we do. Or to put it more bluntly, their Commander-in-chief and his subordinates have lied to them and misled the hell out of them. | |
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Lothan said: I believe that is baloney as well particularly when people are still headed over to Iraq to this very day fully knowing the war was started for less than honorable reasons.
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Thank you soldiers for your courage and your ability to keep a strong mind and will in the face of violence from all sides. I pray that our political leaders of both parties will stop playing games with your lives, get you home, and let the Iraqis and the Middle East deal with their own problems.
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God bless them one and all | |
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Lothan said: Honest question: why should we take part in this?
He's from Sweeden. They stand on the side lines. | |
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kpowers said: Lothan said: Honest question: why should we take part in this?
He's from Sweeden. They stand on the side lines. Why should Americans take part in this? | |
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Lothan said: kpowers said: He's from Sweeden. They stand on the side lines. Why should Americans take part in this? Nothing personal, just history. | |
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