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Is God really in charge today? There was some talk on this forum about the atrocities in the world and some said that God was still resting on the 7th day and that was the reason. I saw this and thought it was an interesting rebuttal:
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god walked away from this world long ago. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" | |
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lazycrockett said: god walked away from this world long ago.
So do you think it's futile to pray to Him? | |
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Janfriend said: lazycrockett said: god walked away from this world long ago.
So do you think it's futile to pray to Him? I think the die was cast long ago, what happens is going to happen, I don't think prayer in any way changes fate. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" | |
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I see it as Humans r in charge. Well..not so much in charge as we are here just living, playing the cards delt. And no, no one was out the arranging the deck, or even dealing for that matter...it was an metaphor. One bright day in the middle if the night,
2 dead boys got up to fight. Back 2 back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other A deaf Policeman head this noise, he came and shot the 2 dead boys. If you don't believe this lie | |
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lazycrockett said: Janfriend said: So do you think it's futile to pray to Him? I think the die was cast long ago, what happens is going to happen, I don't think prayer in any way changes fate. yeah!...what he/she said! One bright day in the middle if the night,
2 dead boys got up to fight. Back 2 back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other A deaf Policeman head this noise, he came and shot the 2 dead boys. If you don't believe this lie | |
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Didn't Christ refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world"?
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lazycrockett said: Janfriend said: So do you think it's futile to pray to Him? I think the die was cast long ago, what happens is going to happen, I don't think prayer in any way changes fate. Do U look at fate as karma? God wants to give us a positive world but we somehow, with duality, caused these 'bad' things to happen. There is mass karma and also individual karma. Prayer does reduce the karma load of the world and the individual...if you want to look at karma as the reduction of the negative load that is upon us. But, blind prayer of God, 'oh please help us/me, God', well, is this what prayer should be? Prayer can and should, more-or-less, be worship to God, demonstrating to God how much we care and love Him. i'm not saying that it isn't okay and acceptable to pray to God for help with issues and challenges at hand, i'm just saying try not to approach God when things are wrong. Prayer in the realm of worship is like putting money in the spiritual bank account. "Sacred is the prayer that asks for nothing." Yes, God is in charge but we, acting and believing that we are mere humans, is the issue. God lives inside of each one of us. if you tell me He doesn't, that's okay 2 as God doesn't need ur acknowledgement to take charge. ~dueno de nada~ | |
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namepeace said: Didn't Christ refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world"?
Didn't Christ Himself say that His Kingdom is "not of this world"? I don't have any idea how this figures into the question, but these things kind of crossed my mind. They crossed my mind too  | |
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namepeace said: Didn't Christ refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world"?
Didn't Christ Himself say that His Kingdom is "not of this world"? I don't have any idea how this figures into the question, but these things kind of crossed my mind. If Satan is the ruler of this world then what else can the answer to janfriend's question be? | |
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Tremolina said: namepeace said: Didn't Christ refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world"?
Didn't Christ Himself say that His Kingdom is "not of this world"? I don't have any idea how this figures into the question, but these things kind of crossed my mind. If Satan is the ruler of this world then what else can the answer to janfriend's question be? Point taken. Come to think of it, in a sense, God was never "in charge," as He blessed us all with free will. We have determined who is in charge. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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raddahone said: lazycrockett said: I think the die was cast long ago, what happens is going to happen, I don't think prayer in any way changes fate. Do U look at fate as karma? God wants to give us a positive world but we somehow, with duality, caused these 'bad' things to happen. There is mass karma and also individual karma. Prayer does reduce the karma load of the world and the individual...if you want to look at karma as the reduction of the negative load that is upon us. But, blind prayer of God, 'oh please help us/me, God', well, is this what prayer should be? Prayer can and should, more-or-less, be worship to God, demonstrating to God how much we care and love Him. i'm not saying that it isn't okay and acceptable to pray to God for help with issues and challenges at hand, i'm just saying try not to approach God when things are wrong. Prayer in the realm of worship is like putting money in the spiritual bank account. "Sacred is the prayer that asks for nothing." Yes, God is in charge but we, acting and believing that we are mere humans, is the issue. God lives inside of each one of us. if you tell me He doesn't, that's okay 2 as God doesn't need ur acknowledgement to take charge. In terms of karma, what would be the karma of an innocent child that is abducted and murdered? | |
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namepeace said: Tremolina said: If Satan is the ruler of this world then what else can the answer to janfriend's question be? Point taken. Come to think of it, in a sense, God was never "in charge," as He blessed us all with free will. We have determined who is in charge. So, what about the scriptures quoted above? | |
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Janfriend said: namepeace said: Point taken. Come to think of it, in a sense, God was never "in charge," as He blessed us all with free will. We have determined who is in charge. So, what about the scriptures quoted above? Each of the passages addresses God keeping His covenant with His People. Which was broken time and time again over the years, because His People, like all of us, fell away (and continue to fall away). So -- according to some believers -- God took a different tack. He established a new covenant through Christ, so that those who believe in Him would have everlasting life. In the next life. And, -- again, according to some -- God isn't done yet. His Day is coming when He will set all right. I say all that to say, I don't really have a good answer, just a belief. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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Janfriend said: raddahone said: Do U look at fate as karma? God wants to give us a positive world but we somehow, with duality, caused these 'bad' things to happen. There is mass karma and also individual karma. Prayer does reduce the karma load of the world and the individual...if you want to look at karma as the reduction of the negative load that is upon us. But, blind prayer of God, 'oh please help us/me, God', well, is this what prayer should be? Prayer can and should, more-or-less, be worship to God, demonstrating to God how much we care and love Him. i'm not saying that it isn't okay and acceptable to pray to God for help with issues and challenges at hand, i'm just saying try not to approach God when things are wrong. Prayer in the realm of worship is like putting money in the spiritual bank account. "Sacred is the prayer that asks for nothing." Yes, God is in charge but we, acting and believing that we are mere humans, is the issue. God lives inside of each one of us. if you tell me He doesn't, that's okay 2 as God doesn't need ur acknowledgement to take charge. In terms of karma, what would be the karma of an innocent child that is abducted and murdered? only one of a level like Jesus would be qualified to give the specific reason why this happened to a specific individual. i believe in past lives and this is where karma can take its toll from the past to the present. so often when things don't make sense at all, the karma load is the reason. but, what is most important is that a loving heart coupled with actions of love to God can mitigate the level of one's karma. prayer is key. make every action a prayer to God and every breath a prayer and thankfulness to God. LoveGod. that's why "vengence is mine sayeth the Lord." surrender all 2 God. ~dueno de nada~ | |
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God is large and in charge.
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HiinEnkelte said: God is large and in charge.
Romans 8:28-30 Can Satan do anything that does not work to the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose?  He could if he accepted Jesus as his own personal savior. But I doubt his stubborn ass will. Ignore this post.
I don't need the encouragement. "To criticize is to choose the laziest form of expression." -some deep dude | |
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Janfriend said: namepeace said: Point taken. So, what about the scriptures quoted above? The scriptures you quoted in the opening of your topic show that God always has and always will act in the lives of his people....the same people that Jesus said would be no part of this world. "You are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" -Jesus Satan is the ruler of this world, says the Bible. The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.- 1 John 5:19 (thus Jesus' admonition to be no part of Satan's world) So while God has allowed a period of time for all kinds of governments to exercise authority, the time is near when, according to Revelation, God's own son will exercise authority over this world unopposed by anyone or anything, a true Theocracy. At that time there will be a reversal of all that Satan has caused...even death will be undone by means of a resurrection. The whole earth will be filled with peace and harmony. So although Satan rules the world now, God is not inactive. Jesus said, "My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working." -John 5:17 As far as the 7th day resting thing, the Bible indicates that God rested from his creative works.- Gen 2: 1-3 So...how's everybody doing?  | |
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Janfriend, the answer is in Leviticus 26 & Deuteronomy 28. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Janfriend, the answer is in Leviticus 26 & Deuteronomy 28.
 Deuteronomy 28:15-68 is interesting, but did Jesus help us out with this? | |
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Janfriend said: TonyVanDam said: Janfriend, the answer is in Leviticus 26 & Deuteronomy 28.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68 is interesting, but did Jesus help us out with this? This isn't Yahshua's doing. These are the blessings and cursings that Yahweh promise to give us based upon the decisions we make as individuals and/or as a nation. Also, there's this: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) [Edited 2/19/07 20:29pm] Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often. | |
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namepeace said: Didn't Christ refer to Satan as the "ruler of this world"?
Didn't Christ Himself say that His Kingdom is "not of this world"? I don't have any idea how this figures into the question, but these things kind of crossed my mind. Yes....to both questions. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Janfriend said: Deuteronomy 28:15-68 is interesting, but did Jesus help us out with this? This isn't Yahshua's doing. These are the blessings and cursings that Yahweh promise to give us based upon the decisions we make as individuals and/or as a nation. Also, there's this: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) [Edited 2/19/07 20:29pm] I don't get it. What about Yeshua allowing us to be saved by grace? | |
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SensualMelody said: Janfriend said: So, what about the scriptures quoted above? The scriptures you quoted in the opening of your topic show that God always has and always will act in the lives of his people....the same people that Jesus said would be no part of this world. "You are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" -Jesus Satan is the ruler of this world, says the Bible. The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.- 1 John 5:19 (thus Jesus' admonition to be no part of Satan's world) So while God has allowed a period of time for all kinds of governments to exercise authority, the time is near when, according to Revelation, God's own son will exercise authority over this world unopposed by anyone or anything, a true Theocracy. At that time there will be a reversal of all that Satan has caused...even death will be undone by means of a resurrection. The whole earth will be filled with peace and harmony. So although Satan rules the world now, God is not inactive. Jesus said, "My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working." -John 5:17 As far as the 7th day resting thing, the Bible indicates that God rested from his creative works.- Gen 2: 1-3 Interested in your response Jan So...how's everybody doing? | |
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SensualMelody said: Janfriend said: So, what about the scriptures quoted above? The scriptures you quoted in the opening of your topic show that God always has and always will act in the lives of his people....the same people that Jesus said would be no part of this world. "You are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" -Jesus John 18:36 My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here I have trouble believing that means God has given up on us. All that means, to me, is "I'm not from this realm of being." I have seen miracles happen. It's not Satan Satan is the ruler of this world, says the Bible.
The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.- 1 John 5:19 (thus Jesus' admonition to be no part of Satan's world) So while God has allowed a period of time for all kinds of governments to exercise authority, the time is near when, according to Revelation, God's own son will exercise authority over this world unopposed by anyone or anything, a true Theocracy.  So we've been adandoned?
At that time there will be a reversal of all that Satan has caused...even death will be undone by means of a resurrection.
The whole earth will be filled with peace and harmony. So although Satan rules the world now, God is not inactive. Jesus said, "My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working." -John 5:17 As far as the 7th day resting thing, the Bible indicates that God rested from his creative works.- Gen 2: 1-3 Truth is, I just want opinions, or beliefs, on this. I thought the message was uplifting and contrary to what I've read on this forum. I've always been taught God was in control of everything and to pray to him for blessings, healings, etc. Based on this, what would be the point? [Edited 2/19/07 21:43pm] | |
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very cool thread.
"passing strange"... experience the real
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Illustrator said: HiinEnkelte said: God is large and in charge.
Romans 8:28-30 Can Satan do anything that does not work to the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose? He could if he accepted Jesus as his own personal savior. But I doubt his stubborn ass will. 
I think this should go in the Hall of fame! sweet!!! | |
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Janfriend said:[quote] SensualMelody said: So we've been adandoned?
At that time there will be a reversal of all that Satan has caused...even death will be undone by means of a resurrection.
The whole earth will be filled with peace and harmony. So although Satan rules the world now, God is not inactive. Jesus said, "My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working." -John 5:17 As far as the 7th day resting thing, the Bible indicates that God rested from his creative works.- Gen 2: 1-3 Truth is, I just want opinions, or beliefs, on this. I thought the message was uplifting and contrary to what I've read on this forum. I've always been taught God was in control of everything and to pray to him for blessings, healings, etc. Based on this, what would be the point? [Edited 2/19/07 21:43pm] Nowhere in the Bible does it say God has given up control of the Earth. It simply says that he has given men free will. Men have chosen to reject God's rule. Thus we see all of the problems on the earth. However, God has promised that he will step in and fix things. He has set a time limit and when the time is up, he will step back up to the plate, say OK guys you have ruled yourselves for (x) amount of years and lets face it ... YOU SUCK!!. He will then proceed to take a swing, hit Satan for a home run...jog around clean up all the bases till he accomplishes his purpose, and "game, set, match" to God. BTW sorry about all the sports metaphors...but it is late and I need to have a sports fix!!! | |
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mav777 said: Nowhere in the Bible does it say God has given up control of the Earth. It simply says that he has given men free will.
So free will = Satan, since jesus says Satan rules this world? You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: mav777 said: Nowhere in the Bible does it say God has given up control of the Earth. It simply says that he has given men free will.
So free will = Satan, since jesus says Satan rules this world? No, it does not mean that it means that Satan is the one who first turned humans away from God, humans go along with him and reject God's rulership. In this way Satan rules the world. Free will does not equal Satan, it is a gift from God and all perfect creation use their free will in harmony with God's purposes. | |
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