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Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks

http://www.theaustralian....01,00.html

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks
Richard Kerbaj
October 26, 2006

THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

In a Ramadan sermon that has outraged Muslim women leaders, Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.

While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".

"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.

The leader of the 2000 rapes in Sydney's southwest, Bilal Skaf, a Muslim, was initially sentenced to 55 years' jail, but later had the sentence reduced on appeal.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

"It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."

Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilali's remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia's mufti.

Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali - who does not wear a hijab - said the Islamic headdress was not a "tool" worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment. "It's a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don't wear the headscarf doesn't mean that you're considered fresh meat for sale," the former member of John Howard's Muslim advisory board told The Australian. "The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves."

Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not "detract or add to a person's moral standards", while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was "ignorant and naive" for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault.

"Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime," he said.

Ms Hage-Ali said she was "disgusted and offended" by Shiek Hilali's comments. "I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia's Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense."

Yesterday, the mufti defended the sermon about "adultery and theft", a recorded copy of which has been obtained and translated by The Australian.

Sheik Hilali said he only meant to refer to prostitutes as "meat" and not any scantily dressed woman with no hijab, despite him not mentioning the word prostitute during the 17-minute talk.

He told The Australian the message he intended to convey was: "If a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame ... but a man should be able to control himself". He said if a woman is "covered and respectful" she "demands respect from a man". "But when she is cheap, she throws herself at the man and cheapens herself."

Sheik Hilali also insisted his references to the Sydney gang rapes were to illustrate that Skaf was guilty and worthy of receiving such a harsh sentence.

Waleed Ali said Sheik Hilali was "normalising immoral sexual behaviour" by comparing women to meat and men to animals and entirely blaming women for being victims.

"It's basically saying that the immoral response of men to women who are not fully covered is as natural and as inevitable as the response of an animal tempted by food," he said.

"But (unlike animals) men are people who have moral responsibilities and the capability in engaging in moral action."

Revelation of the mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilali said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims."

"There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims."

Aziza Abdel-Halim said Sheik Hilali's remarks during Ramadan were inaccurate and upsetting to the Muslim community.

"They are below and beyond any comment (and) do not deserve any consideration."
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http://www.theaustralian....01,00.html

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks
Richard Kerbaj
October 26, 2006

THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

In a Ramadan sermon that has outraged Muslim women leaders, Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.

While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".

"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.

The leader of the 2000 rapes in Sydney's southwest, Bilal Skaf, a Muslim, was initially sentenced to 55 years' jail, but later had the sentence reduced on appeal.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

"It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."

Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilali's remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia's mufti.

Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali - who does not wear a hijab - said the Islamic headdress was not a "tool" worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment. "It's a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don't wear the headscarf doesn't mean that you're considered fresh meat for sale," the former member of John Howard's Muslim advisory board told The Australian. "The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves."

Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not "detract or add to a person's moral standards", while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was "ignorant and naive" for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault.

"Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime," he said.

Ms Hage-Ali said she was "disgusted and offended" by Shiek Hilali's comments. "I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia's Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense."

Yesterday, the mufti defended the sermon about "adultery and theft", a recorded copy of which has been obtained and translated by The Australian.

Sheik Hilali said he only meant to refer to prostitutes as "meat" and not any scantily dressed woman with no hijab, despite him not mentioning the word prostitute during the 17-minute talk.

He told The Australian the message he intended to convey was: "If a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame ... but a man should be able to control himself". He said if a woman is "covered and respectful" she "demands respect from a man". "But when she is cheap, she throws herself at the man and cheapens herself."

Sheik Hilali also insisted his references to the Sydney gang rapes were to illustrate that Skaf was guilty and worthy of receiving such a harsh sentence.

Waleed Ali said Sheik Hilali was "normalising immoral sexual behaviour" by comparing women to meat and men to animals and entirely blaming women for being victims.

"It's basically saying that the immoral response of men to women who are not fully covered is as natural and as inevitable as the response of an animal tempted by food," he said.

"But (unlike animals) men are people who have moral responsibilities and the capability in engaging in moral action."

Revelation of the mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilali said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims."

"There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims."

Aziza Abdel-Halim said Sheik Hilali's remarks during Ramadan were inaccurate and upsetting to the Muslim community.

"They are below and beyond any comment (and) do not deserve any consideration."


What's sad about this, is that it is not just this guy that thinks this way. Even today in America when a rape case goes to trial, the victims are the ones that are questioned about their behavior and isn't it possible they led the guy on, yada yada yada. I believe they recently came out with a ruling that a woman's sexual history, could not be brought into the case, which is a step towards the right direction, but we've still got a long way to go to get rid of the thought process that the woman is the temptress and as such is responsible for the crime.

We see this even in sexual abuse cases with children that go to court. Often the perpetrators will state that the child "came onto him/her" or that the child somehow enticed the perp to act in such a way. Unfortunately we recently had a case in which a 3 year old girl was found to be at fault, not the adult male, but rather they determined there was reasonable doubt that the perp had intended for the abuse to occur. mad
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Reply #4 posted 10/26/06 5:45am

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"The uncovered meat is the problem."

Good Lord
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Reply #5 posted 10/26/06 6:42am

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This is unreal. sigh

I weap for the women of the world.
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Reply #6 posted 10/26/06 9:48am

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"The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves."


not to mention grow brains nod
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Reply #7 posted 10/26/06 10:17am

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That is stupid anyway, I have 2 female friends who are strict muslim's and they dress just like any other american girl I know or see walking down the street, it's all about what you believe not about how you dress.

This whole muslim dress thing is about the individual woman where I live, I see some women wearing full veils, some with just a hijab and like my freinds, just plain ole jeans and an old navy t-shirt and denim jacket.

Get over it and let it be up to the individual.
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LittleRedCorvette said:


What's sad about this, is that it is not just this guy that thinks this way. Even today in America when a rape case goes to trial, the victims are the ones that are questioned about their behavior and isn't it possible they led the guy on, yada yada yada. I believe they recently came out with a ruling that a woman's sexual history, could not be brought into the case, which is a step towards the right direction, but we've still got a long way to go to get rid of the thought process that the woman is the temptress and as such is responsible for the crime.

We see this even in sexual abuse cases with children that go to court. Often the perpetrators will state that the child "came onto him/her" or that the child somehow enticed the perp to act in such a way. Unfortunately we recently had a case in which a 3 year old girl was found to be at fault, not the adult male, but rather they determined there was reasonable doubt that the perp had intended for the abuse to occur. mad



Reading that gives me the impression of the "Laws" mentality is this:

"I only stole the Video player because it was on the shelf in the shop, so Technically its the shop's fault because they have always put nice Video Players on their shelves.....So you see, I am not guilty....."
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Reply #9 posted 10/26/06 1:31pm

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The Australian (informally referred to as The Oz) is a national daily broadsheet newspaper published by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.
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Reply #10 posted 10/27/06 12:38pm

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Mach said:

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

Good Lord


People that think like this are just plain crazy. It kills me how he turns this whole thing into the fault of the women.

I completely despise radical religious people and I would love the see the Australian government deport his ass!
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Reply #11 posted 10/27/06 1:19pm

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This is unreal. sigh

I weap for the women of the world.


This is why I can't stand organized religion..I avoid it like the plague. It gives idiots like this sheik(along with the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells of the world) a forum.
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I think covereage of this sort of shit is equvalent to the shock value of a Jerry Springer show.

Its news cause people like the shock value of it. Its pointless news, deviating your attention from more serious matters. And brain washing you. Just like this hang up latley with pedophiles.

Both of these subjects are for shock value to create headlines and get your attention.
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SpisaRibb said:

I think covereage of this sort of shit is equvalent to the shock value of a Jerry Springer show.

Its news cause people like the shock value of it. Its pointless news, deviating your attention from more serious matters. And brain washing you. Just like this hang up latley with pedophiles.

Both of these subjects are for shock value to create headlines and get your attention.


1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested by the time they are 18. I work with kids that are sexually and physically abused. The agency I am at does forensic interviews with kids to either substantiate the allegation of sexual abuse or discredit the allegation. We get kids 2 years old that come in who have been so sexually abused they have what would be considered 3rd degree tears in an adult female after having given birth. This is NOT shock value, but fact. And yet people would rather not know about it, would rather keep it secret and in the closet because they don't want to look at it. The reason why it is in the media is not for shock, but to educate and to put the focus on this problem so that hopefully it can be prevented or at the very least caught sooner to lessen the trauma for the child. My first day at the agency we saw a 1 and a 1/2 year old. There is no way to actually do a real forensic interview on a child of this age (or on two years for that matter) but we have to when they come in to meet the criteria set by judges and lawyers so that when the case goes to court we can state we did a forensic interview but due to the age we were not able to get information from the child, however behaviors of the child may substantiate the claim anyway, and that is information we can get from the parent(s) by doing a non-offending parent assessment before the interview. Also funding to agencies like the one I am typically gets cut drastically in order to fund what the government determines to be more important (like this war in Iraq) and outrage of local people can sometimes help with funding for this important work. Grrr...don't even know why I am responding to this as it is probably bait anyway, but it gets to me when I have to look into a 2 year old's eyes as she's or he's crying because of how hurt they are "down there", or listen to a 5 year old say, "Why did he do that to me? I was only playing and he hurt me so bad."
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As a man, this kind of shit offends me because it makes it seem like men have no sense of self control, that if we see a scantily dressed woman, we're just gonna commit rape because we can't control ourselves. FUck this radical piece of shit. confused
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The real bullshit of all this? This kind of attitude isn't confined to the extremist believers of the world, or even the unextreme ones. It's in our secular laws, in our secular society, and in our secular customs. This attitude exists and prevails because humanity, by a large part, devalues women and children. Only men are worthy enough to be without blame when a crime is commited against them.

It needn't be as extreme as this example either, to be true. It pervades our culture, and is so embedded in most people's minds that things which should be the cause of outrage; should be the cause of riots in the streets, are accepted as normal and favourable and sometimes even God-decreed.
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meow85 said:

The real bullshit of all this? This kind of attitude isn't confined to the extremist believers of the world, or even the unextreme ones. It's in our secular laws, in our secular society, and in our secular customs. This attitude exists and prevails because humanity, by a large part, devalues women and children. Only men are worthy enough to be without blame when a crime is commited against them.

It needn't be as extreme as this example either, to be true. It pervades our culture, and is so embedded in most people's minds that things which should be the cause of outrage; should be the cause of riots in the streets, are accepted as normal and favourable and sometimes even God-decreed.


I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry
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Reply #17 posted 10/28/06 8:03am

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I have heard some crap before but this is just stupid.

Most of how they dress is actually a cultural thing rather than religious anyway. And to say when was said is just so off the scale.
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FunkshaII said:

meow85 said:

The real bullshit of all this? This kind of attitude isn't confined to the extremist believers of the world, or even the unextreme ones. It's in our secular laws, in our secular society, and in our secular customs. This attitude exists and prevails because humanity, by a large part, devalues women and children. Only men are worthy enough to be without blame when a crime is commited against them.

It needn't be as extreme as this example either, to be true. It pervades our culture, and is so embedded in most people's minds that things which should be the cause of outrage; should be the cause of riots in the streets, are accepted as normal and favourable and sometimes even God-decreed.


I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry


I'd like to you making your statement with God with what you speaketh as an direct opposition of what God says. You do know God has a verse that says man is the head of the house.

Furthermore, check out the English Dictionary word: Obedient and then Scripture Titus 2:5!

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LittleRedCorvette said:

SpisaRibb said:

I think covereage of this sort of shit is equvalent to the shock value of a Jerry Springer show.

Its news cause people like the shock value of it. Its pointless news, deviating your attention from more serious matters. And brain washing you. Just like this hang up latley with pedophiles.

Both of these subjects are for shock value to create headlines and get your attention.


1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested by the time they are 18. I work with kids that are sexually and physically abused. The agency I am at does forensic interviews with kids to either substantiate the allegation of sexual abuse or discredit the allegation. We get kids 2 years old that come in who have been so sexually abused they have what would be considered 3rd degree tears in an adult female after having given birth. This is NOT shock value, but fact. And yet people would rather not know about it, would rather keep it secret and in the closet because they don't want to look at it. The reason why it is in the media is not for shock, but to educate and to put the focus on this problem so that hopefully it can be prevented or at the very least caught sooner to lessen the trauma for the child. My first day at the agency we saw a 1 and a 1/2 year old. There is no way to actually do a real forensic interview on a child of this age (or on two years for that matter) but we have to when they come in to meet the criteria set by judges and lawyers so that when the case goes to court we can state we did a forensic interview but due to the age we were not able to get information from the child, however behaviors of the child may substantiate the claim anyway, and that is information we can get from the parent(s) by doing a non-offending parent assessment before the interview. Also funding to agencies like the one I am typically gets cut drastically in order to fund what the government determines to be more important (like this war in Iraq) and outrage of local people can sometimes help with funding for this important work. Grrr...don't even know why I am responding to this as it is probably bait anyway, but it gets to me when I have to look into a 2 year old's eyes as she's or he's crying because of how hurt they are "down there", or listen to a 5 year old say, "Why did he do that to me? I was only playing and he hurt me so bad."


How on earth do you cope with what can only be described as such a Harrowing and Distressing Job? I do not think I would last an hour. sad
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myownprivateinsanity said:

LittleRedCorvette said:



1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested by the time they are 18. I work with kids that are sexually and physically abused. The agency I am at does forensic interviews with kids to either substantiate the allegation of sexual abuse or discredit the allegation. We get kids 2 years old that come in who have been so sexually abused they have what would be considered 3rd degree tears in an adult female after having given birth. This is NOT shock value, but fact. And yet people would rather not know about it, would rather keep it secret and in the closet because they don't want to look at it. The reason why it is in the media is not for shock, but to educate and to put the focus on this problem so that hopefully it can be prevented or at the very least caught sooner to lessen the trauma for the child. My first day at the agency we saw a 1 and a 1/2 year old. There is no way to actually do a real forensic interview on a child of this age (or on two years for that matter) but we have to when they come in to meet the criteria set by judges and lawyers so that when the case goes to court we can state we did a forensic interview but due to the age we were not able to get information from the child, however behaviors of the child may substantiate the claim anyway, and that is information we can get from the parent(s) by doing a non-offending parent assessment before the interview. Also funding to agencies like the one I am typically gets cut drastically in order to fund what the government determines to be more important (like this war in Iraq) and outrage of local people can sometimes help with funding for this important work. Grrr...don't even know why I am responding to this as it is probably bait anyway, but it gets to me when I have to look into a 2 year old's eyes as she's or he's crying because of how hurt they are "down there", or listen to a 5 year old say, "Why did he do that to me? I was only playing and he hurt me so bad."


How on earth do you cope with what can only be described as such a Harrowing and Distressing Job? I do not think I would last an hour. sad


I come home, hug my children, crawl into the shower, and have a good cry. I had worked with adolescents before who had been abused, so I knew how to shut off when working with them, but it was hard to learn how to do that at work with the little ones when I first started there. I came home and cried quite often. But these kids need someone in their corner, someone to be their voice because they are too afraid to speak, someone to show them what real and true caring is and to remind them they did nothing wrong, it's not their fault. It's not an easy job and is downright emotionally draining, but someone has to do it and this is what I've wanted to do all my life. I know firsthand what these kids are going through, and if in that knowledge I can help another child to reach their fullest potential, then the knowledge I gained as a child did have purpose.
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LittleRedCorvette said:

myownprivateinsanity said:



How on earth do you cope with what can only be described as such a Harrowing and Distressing Job? I do not think I would last an hour. sad


I come home, hug my children, crawl into the shower, and have a good cry. I had worked with adolescents before who had been abused, so I knew how to shut off when working with them, but it was hard to learn how to do that at work with the little ones when I first started there. I came home and cried quite often. But these kids need someone in their corner, someone to be their voice because they are too afraid to speak, someone to show them what real and true caring is and to remind them they did nothing wrong, it's not their fault. It's not an easy job and is downright emotionally draining, but someone has to do it and this is what I've wanted to do all my life. I know firsthand what these kids are going through, and if in that knowledge I can help another child to reach their fullest potential, then the knowledge I gained as a child did have purpose.



Well, as the saying goes, I take my hat off to you. I don't think I would cope doing what you do. You have my greatest respects.

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FunkshaII said:

meow85 said:

The real bullshit of all this? This kind of attitude isn't confined to the extremist believers of the world, or even the unextreme ones. It's in our secular laws, in our secular society, and in our secular customs. This attitude exists and prevails because humanity, by a large part, devalues women and children. Only men are worthy enough to be without blame when a crime is commited against them.

It needn't be as extreme as this example either, to be true. It pervades our culture, and is so embedded in most people's minds that things which should be the cause of outrage; should be the cause of riots in the streets, are accepted as normal and favourable and sometimes even God-decreed.


I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry



nod Exactly. Men have got to cut out the sexist bullshit and victim-blaming, and just as importantly -women have to stop supporting it. Just becuase something is, doesn't mean it should be.


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Astasheiks said:

FunkshaII said:



I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry


I'd like to you making your statement with God with what you speaketh as an direct opposition of what God says. You do know God has a verse that says man is the head of the house.

Furthermore, check out the English Dictionary word: Obedient and then Scripture Titus 2:5!

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That's all very nice to quote scripture, but in the real world the sort of attitude that supports an imbalance between the sexes as getting the thumbs up from God is part of what creates situations like this.

It's true that abuse happens around the world and in all levels of society, but tell me this: Why is it more pervasive in cultures and religions that accept men as superior to women? That's not a difficult question, if you ask me.
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Reply #24 posted 10/30/06 3:48am

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Excuses excuses

if he kept his penis in his pants it wouldn't have happened, simply put.

I'm a Muslim myself and i hate such hypocrites who do the do and then blame it on the nearest thing they think could save'em from trouble.
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Reply #25 posted 10/30/06 4:10am

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meow85 said:




BTW, I'm a lady. smile


eek ...I knew that. biggrin
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Reply #26 posted 10/30/06 4:26am

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Astasheiks said:

FunkshaII said:



I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry


I'd like to you making your statement with God with what you speaketh as an direct opposition of what God says. You do know God has a verse that says man is the head of the house.

Furthermore, check out the English Dictionary word: Obedient and then Scripture Titus 2:5!

[Edited 10/29/06 0:59am]



My God knows what I'm saying, it was He/She who inspired my words. See, unlike some folks, my God does not reside in the words of scriptures, but in my soul. I can feel Him/Her. I need not search the scriptures to find God.

Also, I've been greatly inspired to find your direction to the term "obedient" quite amusing...it's funny, really. This is the reason some will never see the truth, assuming because of muscular superiority they hold the position of authority in human societies...this is a wrong assumption, brains over brute strength always wins. So, I stand by my beliefs, women are the brains/heart/soul of human societies, and we should be respected as such. Until men get over their caveman ideas of family structures, entire societies will suffer, such as we see today.
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Reply #27 posted 10/30/06 5:58am

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Astasheiks said:

FunkshaII said:



I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry


I'd like to you making your statement with God with what you speaketh as an direct opposition of what God says. You do know God has a verse that says man is the head of the house.

Furthermore, check out the English Dictionary word: Obedient and then Scripture Titus 2:5!

[Edited 10/29/06 0:59am]



NO deity in this world or any other condones violence against individuals based upon their gender.

"because the bible says so" or, "it's in the bible" these are the words of those who cannot think for themselves and who do not have enough heart to justify their existence as beings with a soul
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Reply #28 posted 10/30/06 6:54am

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meow85 said:

The real bullshit of all this? This kind of attitude isn't confined to the extremist believers of the world, or even the unextreme ones. It's in our secular laws, in our secular society, and in our secular customs. This attitude exists and prevails because humanity, by a large part, devalues women and children. Only men are worthy enough to be without blame when a crime is commited against them.

It needn't be as extreme as this example either, to be true. It pervades our culture, and is so embedded in most people's minds that things which should be the cause of outrage; should be the cause of riots in the streets, are accepted as normal and favourable and sometimes even God-decreed.


I know men are not going to like hearing this and if it does apply to you, I'm not referring to you...but until women are placed in their proper position in human societies, all of mankind will suffer, and suffer, and suffer. How long must we continue in this testosterone (sp) inspired mode before the truth of the matter is realized? As far as I'm concerned the woman is the head of the family because of her innate nurturing/protective characteristics and her ability to do 10 different things at once. Theses attributes would do well in every other aspects of human society...politics/government and in business. We all know the reason there is so much suffering in the world today is because men have traditionally controlled everything from the household to the boardroom. This article basically proves that some men are encapable of controlling their own sexual lust and desires, let alone societies. cry


Recent news articles and Surveys (UK) have shown a steady increase in Womens place's in Management, being Business Owners and general positions of "Power" etc are higher than ever before, My Last 2 Managers and Directors have all been Women.

As for Men being the Head of the Household .... Since When??.....My Girlfriend wears the pants in our house.....lol

As for Leading Nations.....Well Margaret Thatcher.....Need I say more razz

I do agree with what you said though wink .... Oh and I am a Man.....or used to be till I got with my Girlfriend.....now I am just her Bitch.....lol
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Reply #29 posted 10/30/06 7:23am

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Twat.
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