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Ariel Sharon has massive brain haemorrhage

from www.bbc.co.uk


Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has suffered a "significant" stroke and is undergoing an operation, doctors at Jerusalem's Hadassah hospital say.
Officials said the 77-year-old leader was unconscious and had experienced a "massive" brain haemorrhage.

The Israeli leader's powers have been transferred to his deputy Ehud Olmert.

It is Mr Sharon's second stroke in just over two weeks. He was due to go into hospital on Thursday to undergo a minor heart operation.

He suffered a minor stroke on 18 December which doctors said could have been the result of a blood clot caused by the hole in the heart.

His doctors said he recovered fully then but required minor surgery for the heart problem.


Sharon resumed his full workload after a stroke in December

Dr Shlomo Mor-Yosef, director of Hadassah Hospital, told reporters at the hospital on Wednesday night that Mr Sharon had "massive bleeding".

"A significant stroke means that there has been extensive damage," he said, but added that "does not necessarily mean that there will be a lasting effect."

Mr Sharon's press spokesman said he was currently undergoing an operation meant to stop the bleeding in his brain and contain the damage it had caused.

"The operation is going well and his condition is stable," spokesman Ranaan Gissin said around an hour and a half after the start of the operation.

He also said "this is a much more serious condition than the previous one", referring to Mr Sharon's first stroke.

"It's not a simple operation," he added.

'Prayers'

The prime minister was carried to hospital in Jerusalem from his ranch in the Negev Desert in Israel's south by ambulance - a drive that normally takes more than an hour - instead of by helicopter.

Police and security agents set up a security cordon around the hospital, and also stationed themselves around Mr Olmert's residence in Jerusalem.




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The BBC's James Reynolds, outside the hospital in Jerusalem, says however the situation develops now, even if Mr Sharon makes a recovery, there will be serious questions over his health and whether he can continue to lead the country.


US President George Bush said in a statement he shared the concerns of the Israeli people "and we are praying for his recovery".

Mr Sharon, who has been prime minister since 2001, is severely overweight.

He is planning to run for a third term in office under his newly-formed centrist party, Kadima, after quitting the ruling Likud party in November.

Polls have suggested his new party is in the lead ahead of the election in March.

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However, David Horowitz, editor of the Jerusalem Post, said Mr Sharon's health problems changed the political landscape.

"I think already, even in the best case scenario, it's remade Israeli politics," he told BBC News.

He said Mr Olmert did not have the charisma of Mr Sharon or the ability to carry his controversial policies through.

Mr Sharon had indicated he would follow up the withdrawal of Israeli soldiers and settlers from Gaza with what he termed further major concessions - thought likely to involve handing parts of the West Bank over to Palestinians.

The Kadima party "is united solely around Sharon... it will be much less electable without Sharon," he said.

Mr Sharon's spokesman said ministers from the Likud party, who had been due to resign from the cabinet, had reversed their decision so they could help the government through this period.

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Reply #1 posted 01/04/06 4:27pm

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Ah, wrong forum I see

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Reply #2 posted 01/04/06 4:29pm

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nah, it's just brain freeze

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Reply #4 posted 01/04/06 11:08pm

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Not surprising. He is medically obese and he not only has the stresses of his job to deal with, but he is also facing a potential corruption scandal at home and the threat of being inducted for war crimes too.

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thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]

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thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]



Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.
[Edited 1/5/06 2:00am]

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Shapeshifter said:

missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!


Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.[/b]


He's also the guy who provoked the second intifadah. He's also the war criminal who's responsible for the massacres at Shabra and Chatilla. Etc.

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Reply #8 posted 01/05/06 4:41am

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missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]


Might be a good theory if God actually existed.

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Evolution said:

missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]


Might be a good theory if God actually existed.


you have prove for the contrary? smile

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Dancelot said:

Evolution said:



Might be a good theory if God actually existed.


you have prove for the contrary? smile


I surely don't.

However, there is absolutely no evidense to support the theory of a god or a being which is capable of intervening in our lives.

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Dancelot said:



you have prove for the contrary? smile


I surely don't.

However, there is absolutely no evidense to support the theory of a god or a being which is capable of intervening in our lives.


I surely agree on that

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Dancelot said:

Evolution said:

I surely don't.

However, there is absolutely no evidense to support the theory of a god or a being which is capable of intervening in our lives.


I surely agree on that


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Reply #13 posted 01/05/06 10:09pm

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missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]



Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.[Edited 1/5/06 2:00am]



I hope not. That was a bad deal.

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demore said:

Shapeshifter said:



Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.[Edited 1/5/06 2:00am]


I hope not. That was a bad deal.


So you support the Israeli apartheidsregime. I bet you also supported South-Africa for locking up Nelson Mandela.

Hey, you're in great intellectual company, because of course there's Mr. Foot-In-Mouth himself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...88GB.shtml


Robertson Links Sharon's Stroke to Wrath

NORFOLK, Va., Jan. 5, 2006 (AP) Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'"

Sharon, who ordered Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last year, suffered a severe stroke on Wednesday.

In Robertson's broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, the evangelist said he had personally prayed about a year ago with Sharon, whom he called "a very tender-hearted man and a good friend." He said he was sad to see Sharon in this condition.

He also said, however, that in the Bible, the prophet Joel "makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.'"

Sharon "was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU (European Union), the United Nations, or the United States of America," Robertson said.

In discussing what he said was God's insistence that Israel not be divided, Robertson also referred to the 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who had sought to achieve peace by giving land to the Palestinians. "It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless he was dead," he said.

People For the American Way Foundation, which monitors "The 700 Club," criticized Robertson's remarks, calling them "an implicit reference to recent steps the prime minister has taken to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process."

"Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," the group's president, Ralph G. Neas, said in a statement.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said a religious leader "should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life."

"Pat Robertson has a political agenda for the entire world, and he seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a statement.

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demore said:

Shapeshifter said:




Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.[Edited 1/5/06 2:00am]



I hope not. That was a bad deal.



WHAT? The Israelis STOLE that fucking land. Hell, you want to know what a bad deal is? Look at the terms of the Gaza handover. The Israelis control all the borders and the sea. The Palestinians have their land back but they can't use it. THAT'S a bad deal.

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demore said:



So you support the Israeli apartheidsregime. I bet you also supported South-Africa for locking up Nelson Mandela.

Hey, you're in great intellectual company, because of course there's Mr. Foot-In-Mouth himself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...88GB.shtml


Robertson Links Sharon's Stroke to Wrath

NORFOLK, Va., Jan. 5, 2006 (AP) Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'"

Sharon, who ordered Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last year, suffered a severe stroke on Wednesday.

In Robertson's broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, the evangelist said he had personally prayed about a year ago with Sharon, whom he called "a very tender-hearted man and a good friend." He said he was sad to see Sharon in this condition.

He also said, however, that in the Bible, the prophet Joel "makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.'"

Sharon "was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU (European Union), the United Nations, or the United States of America," Robertson said.

In discussing what he said was God's insistence that Israel not be divided, Robertson also referred to the 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who had sought to achieve peace by giving land to the Palestinians. "It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless he was dead," he said.

People For the American Way Foundation, which monitors "The 700 Club," criticized Robertson's remarks, calling them "an implicit reference to recent steps the prime minister has taken to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process."

"Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," the group's president, Ralph G. Neas, said in a statement.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said a religious leader "should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life."

"Pat Robertson has a political agenda for the entire world, and he seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a statement.



Pat Robertson should be burnt at the stake. lol

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I surely don't.

However, there is absolutely no evidense to support the theory of a god or a being which is capable of intervening in our lives.


I surely agree on that



Is this a first? lol

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Forming "Kadima" was one of his last great surprises and for him to do that, he probably knew that his days were numbered. This opens up a very interesting election coming up that will take some time to decide who to vote for.

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Pat Robertson should be burnt at the stake. lol


Well I think burnt at a stake is a bit extreme but the man sure has an unfeeling heart.
Does he think some good will come from his statements?
Does he believe what he said will help anyone?
Did he consider for a moment what kind of effect these words would have on Sharon's family?
Pat Robertson is a cold cold self-absorbed man.

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NORFOLK, Va., Jan. 5, 2006 (AP) Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'"

...


well, the Australian creation myht states quite clearly that the whole Earth was intended to be the property of the Aborigines alone! so come one folks, let's pack our bags and move to Mars, let's leave this planet to it's original owners, like God intended in the first place nod

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Shapeshifter said:

missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]



Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.
[Edited 1/5/06 2:00am]



not directly but well all know what he meant! the man said it was a great day, was does that say?

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Evolution said:

missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!
[Edited 1/5/06 1:35am]


Might be a good theory if God actually existed.



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Shapeshifter said:

missmad said:

thats sad but what u put out u get back. When Arafat died he said he was glad he was dead, it was a great day now God is doing the same 2 him!



Well, that's one way of looking at it. Sharon didn't say he was "glad" Arafat was dead, but you can be sure he was. That said, Sharon did start the retreat from the occupied territories. Whether that process will continue under his successor is debatable.


debatable, but also rather unavoidable, for whoever will come to power next. Sharon didn't turn from a brutal hardliner into an peace angel overnight, he didn't have a sudden moral awakeneing or a divine vision. much more he was simply a pragmatic politican, who could see the tide is turning. the majority of the people in Israel are fed up with the situtation, they want some progress and some change finally. they do not want to be afraid to enter a bus every morning. and Sharon was able to see the sign o' the times, and no matter what person or party will be in charge next, they have to face the will of the population, so further action has to be taken at some point

having said all that, still any prediction concerning the middle east and the whole situtation there can be turned upside down overnight like many times before... so all we can do is just hope for the best and for hopefully wise successor


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Reply #24 posted 01/08/06 12:55am

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So you support the Israeli apartheidsregime. I bet you also supported South-Africa for locking up Nelson Mandela.

Hey, you're in great intellectual company, because of course there's Mr. Foot-In-Mouth himself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...88GB.shtml


Robertson Links Sharon's Stroke to Wrath

NORFOLK, Va., Jan. 5, 2006 (AP) Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'"

Sharon, who ordered Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last year, suffered a severe stroke on Wednesday.

In Robertson's broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, the evangelist said he had personally prayed about a year ago with Sharon, whom he called "a very tender-hearted man and a good friend." He said he was sad to see Sharon in this condition.

He also said, however, that in the Bible, the prophet Joel "makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.'"

Sharon "was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU (European Union), the United Nations, or the United States of America," Robertson said.

In discussing what he said was God's insistence that Israel not be divided, Robertson also referred to the 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who had sought to achieve peace by giving land to the Palestinians. "It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless he was dead," he said.

People For the American Way Foundation, which monitors "The 700 Club," criticized Robertson's remarks, calling them "an implicit reference to recent steps the prime minister has taken to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process."

"Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," the group's president, Ralph G. Neas, said in a statement.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said a religious leader "should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life."

"Pat Robertson has a political agenda for the entire world, and he seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a statement.


I agree with little Robertson says. I don't like Robertson. I don't know what it is about him. There is just something that isn't right about him. I don't trust the man.

As far as Nelson Mandela goes. No I don't think he should have been locked up all those years. You comparing the two countries is apple and oranges. It is nowhere close to being the same thing.

What I am saying is that Israel belongs to the Jewish people and no part of it should be given away.

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What I am saying is that Israel belongs to the Jewish people and no part of it should be given away.


based on waht?!?!.... no wait, don't tell me.. the Bible?!?!?

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I hope not. That was a bad deal.



WHAT? The Israelis STOLE that fucking land. Hell, you want to know what a bad deal is? Look at the terms of the Gaza handover. The Israelis control all the borders and the sea. The Palestinians have their land back but they can't use it. THAT'S a bad deal.


The land belongs to Israel, it always has and always will.

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Dancelot said:

demore said:

What I am saying is that Israel belongs to the Jewish people and no part of it should be given away.


based on waht?!?!.... no wait, don't tell me.. the Bible?!?!?


Yes. Nothing else.

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Might be a good theory if God actually existed.



we all have opinions/belief systems please acknowledge them!



That's all well and good, but still, it would be good to at least have a theory based on SOME facts.

I really don't care what anyone believes. I respect their rights.

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demore said:

Dancelot said:



based on waht?!?!.... no wait, don't tell me.. the Bible?!?!?


Yes. Nothing else.

eek uhmmm.. okay.... jolly good, jolly good...


so let me repeat the question from above: following your logic, can Australian Aboriginals claim the whole Earth as their property because of their religious scriptures? And if Native Amercian stories say that the continent you live on belongs to them only, will you pack your bags to go back to Europe? if your answer is "NO" then let me ask: WHY?!?? why do you not apply the same rules like you apply on Gaza???

also if the answer is "No" then please explain, why should anyone (especially non-Christians and non-Jews, but also f.e. Christians with a bit of common sense) accept your religious tradition and myth as a foundation for any form of political decision??


and on a purely technical side note, the Bible does not give exact borders of the "promised land", there are even some n*ts*cks, that believe God meant America with it... quite figures. so for all we know Gaza could well be outside the area in question... so not even the "holy scriptures" are justification for giving Gaza to the Jews. very very weak. so if that's all you got, then it's back to square one.


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