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Don't Blame Bush for Katrina Here's a biased article from the right to balance out the biased articles from the left....
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you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president. | |
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You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I read somewhere that they had asked for Federal help to strenghthen the levies but the prez gave the money to Alaska instead. Alaskan's needed some kind of bridge repaired.
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that is the most offensive thing i think i've ever read in my life, especcially the part about Broussard, yeah, he cried because of political affiliation, it had nothing to do with the devistation he witnessed and the lack of federal response.
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IrresistibleB1tch said: you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.
So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: I read somewhere that they had asked for Federal help to strenghthen the levies but the prez gave the money to Alaska instead. Alaskan's needed some kind of bridge repaired.
M Alaska has a Republican governor. What does that tell you? This is simply a failure of national leadership. You don't allow one of the nations largest ports to go unprotected. You invest to insure that it is as safe as possible. Congress has been playing games of cat and mouse with tax payers money, rewarding their friends while ignoring infrastructure that the whole country relies on. Look at the price of gas, all because we now have shortages because the port of New Orleans is out of commission. And it's not just oil, it's also produce and goods that come from all areas along the Mississippi River. The impact of neglecting this region will be felt by all of us. This isn't about the mayor or the governor. This is about the leadership of this country that has been having a tea party with our tax money, diverting it to wars and tax cuts for people that already have so much money they wouldn't know what to do with more. These people need to be held accountable for failing the nation. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened.
Bush failed those people plain and simple and there is no getting around that. His failure to act for 5 days will go down as the most immoral thing he's done in office besides the fraudulent Iraq war. . [Edited 9/8/05 13:01pm] What about the non-actions of the local governments? Don't you think those could have saved lives very easily by bussing people out, etc? Or do they get a pass? | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: IrresistibleB1tch said: you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.
So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? like i said - i give up. | |
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I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.
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ReturnOfDOOK said: IrresistibleB1tch said: you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.
So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? You don't even get it Dook. This isn't about blaming the president because they died in a natural disaster. This is about holding the president accountable for non-action in the face of this disaster. All of America saw what wss happening on Television and you had officials in the days after the hurricane hit saying they had no idea the problem was that bad. One day you will wake out of the delusion that has you ignoring reality and protecting people who clearly need to be punished far more than will ever happen. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened.
Bush failed those people plain and simple and there is no getting around that. His failure to act for 5 days will go down as the most immoral thing he's done in office besides the fraudulent Iraq war. . [Edited 9/8/05 13:01pm] What about the non-actions of the local governments? Don't you think those could have saved lives very easily by bussing people out, etc? Or do they get a pass? THIS WAS BIGGER THAN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT!. You haven't heard Bush saying the disaster area is the size of England? The local authorities called for the help of the government and were ignored. But you wanna give them a pass yourself. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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chiltonmusic said: I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.
However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively. I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation. I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!! Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair. Peace | |
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chiltonmusic said: I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.
However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively. I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation. I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!! Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair. Peace Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: chiltonmusic said: I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.
However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively. I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation. I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!! Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair. Peace Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... but the local governments didn't change their response, they responded the same way that they always responded to hurricane, the only difference here, is that the federal government changed the bureaucracy of FEMA, making it answerable to the department of homeland security and establishing another layer of bureaucracy where there formerly was none. that's the difference, the local officials responded in the same way they always have, but the federal government changed things. that's where it broke down, at the change. [Edited 9/8/05 13:30pm] | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... You aren't applying blame where it's due! You come rushing in here talking about fairness and waiting to see what the investigation says. That doesn't sound like blaming anyone. At the same time you're willing to blame the locals so why can't we be fair and wait for the investigation to see if they really are to blame? Because it's obvious that there were failures on the local level that's why. You don't need and investigation to figure that out, just like you don't need an investigation to know that the federal government failed to act, even though they were being asked for help over and over for DAYS. In this country, president Clinton HAD TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS PRIVATE SEX LIFE but there is absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHATSOEVER for a president who has taken us to war based on lies, robbed the treasury to pay the upper class and his buddies over at Haliburton, and now this disaster....taking his vacations, strumming guitars, photo ops while the media and the local government were all screaming for help. AND NONE CAME. but you're right, it's time to be fair. And I see that Bush supporters are fairly blaming every and anyone BUT BUSH, yes even blaming the victims. I am so sickened right now. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Can we at least agree, without bringing others into it, that Bush's response was sluggish?
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2the9s said: Can we at least agree, without bringing others into it, that Bush's response was sluggish?
I'm not blaming him. I am trying to find a word that would accurately describe his response. Can we agree on that? We've established on the one hand that he's not Hitler and on the other that he's not Superman. We're really making progress here! he is incompetent, isolated and co-dependent on Rove, Cheney and the rest of the bunch. that makes him dangerous. | |
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people arent blaming katrina on bush...
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: chiltonmusic said: I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.
However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively. I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation. I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!! Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair. Peace Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... OOOOKKKKK, No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right? I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded. You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically. Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!. Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. Fucking Wow..... OOOOKKKKK, No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right? I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded. You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically. Peace Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit. The fact remains that despite the failures of the local and state government, they were asking for help from the beginning and none came. None came for 5 days. All the excuses in the world and the shifting of blame from Bush will not excuse the fact that as the leader of this nation he failed those people and America by playing around while people were dying. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:31pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: chiltonmusic said: OOOOKKKKK, No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right? I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded. You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically. Peace Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:27pm] No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual. So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved. Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:27pm] No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual. So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved. Peace And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face. The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: chiltonmusic said: No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual. So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved. Peace And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face. The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life. I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face. The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life. I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:46pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ReturnOfDOOK said: I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:46pm] i can vouch for that. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ReturnOfDOOK said: I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:46pm] Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush? Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. (Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....) | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:46pm] Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush? Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. (Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....) if you don't know where the gross negligence lies - just look at the dead bodies being collected in New Orleans right now. 25,000 body bags... when is enough enough? | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that. . [Edited 9/8/05 15:46pm] Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush? Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. (Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....) But you ignore all the relevant facts to how Bush and the Republican party helped to contribute to the disaster.
This disaster starts with the local goverments planning and response but anyone with eyes could see that they were overwhelmed and that the federal government needed to step in. this is so much bigger than the police force of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana. this is a disaster that could have been prevented by the FEDS. Regardless of whether you think Iraq is the right war at the right time, you cannot ignore that these priorities took place behind tax cuts which would have provided the funding to correct the issues that led to this disaster. And you're lucky we have actually met because right about now I'm not in the mood even for you. I have gone to bat for you but I will not sit by and excuse your excuse making. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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