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ReturnOfDOOK

Don't Blame Bush for Katrina

Here's a biased article from the right to balance out the biased articles from the left....

Don't Blame Bush for Katrina
Christopher Ruddy
Monday, Sept. 5, 2005

George Bush and the federal government are not to blame for the disaster we have witnessed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, the primary responsibility for the disaster response lies with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local officials.


Yet leading Democrats and their allies in the major media are clearly using this disaster for political purposes and ignoring one obvious fact.



This fact – which needs to be repeated and remembered – is that in our country, state and local governments have primary responsibility in dealing with local disasters.


The founding fathers devised a federal system of government – one that has served us remarkably well through great disasters that have befallen America over more than two centuries.


But if we believe the major TV networks, George Bush, FEMA and the Republicans in Congress are all to blame for the current nightmare.


Let's remember that FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was created only in 1979. It was formed to coordinate and focus federal response to major disasters – to "assist" local and state governments.


Common sense suggests that local and state governments are best able to prepare and plan for local disasters.


Is a Washington bureaucrat better suited to prepare for an earthquake in San Francisco, a hurricane in Florida, or a terrorist act in New York?


After the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center, no one suggested that the Bush administration should have been responsible for New York's disaster response or that federal agents should have been involved in the rescue of those trapped in the buildings.


Last year, four major hurricanes slammed into Florida. Governor Jeb Bush led the disaster response and did a remarkable job, with nothing happening like what we have seen in New Orleans.


The primary response in disasters has always come from local communities and state governments.


First responders and the manpower to deal with emergencies come from local communities: police, fire and medical. Under our federal system, these local departments answer to local authorities, not those in Washington. These first responders are not even under federal control, nor do they have to follow federal orders.


In addition to local responders, every state in the Union has a National Guard.


State National Guards answer first to the governor of each state, not to the president. The National Guard exists not to defend one state from an invasion by another state, but primarily for emergencies like the one we have witnessed in New Orleans and in other areas impacted by Katrina. (See: http://www.arng.army.mil/...ucture.asp)



Tim Russert and the Blame Game


The media would have you believe that this disaster was worsened by a slow response from President Bush and his administration, though the primary responsibility for disaster response has always been with local and state governments.


It is true that federal response was not as fast as it could have been. The president himself has acknowledged that fact.


But the press has focused on the first 48 hours of federal response, not uttering a word about the fact that New Orleans had 48 hours of warning that a major Category 4 or 5 would make landfall near the city, yet local officials apparently did little to prepare.

Obviously, Gov. Blanco did not effectively deploy her state's National Guard.

And New Orleans' city leaders did almost nothing to evacuate the portion of the population with no transportation. In failing to follow their own evacuation plan, these officials did little to pre-position food, water and personnel to deal with the aftermath.


I was surprised Sunday to watch Tim Russert, on his show "Meet the Press," tear into Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff. During his encounter with Chertoff, Russert did not suggest once that local government had any role in dealing with the disaster. Russert also asked for Chertoff's resignation.


It wasn't until after the first 29 minutes of his show – 29 minutes – that Russert raised the question of local responsibility. And when he did so with Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, he did so in a passing way. Broussard brushed off his question with a non-answer.


Broussard began his interview claiming that the nation had "abandoned" New Orleans.


That is nonsense and a lie.


Broussard, who was never identified by "Meet the Press" as a Democrat, spent much of his time attacking the Bush administration, as has Democratic New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.


Broussard then ended his performance as he collapsed in tears with a demand: "For God's sake, just shut up and send us somebody!"


His tears didn't wash with me. My sympathies lie with the tens of thousands of people who have suffered or died because local officials like Broussard, Mayor Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco, also a Democrat, failed monumentally at their jobs.


As former New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial told Russert, the disaster in New Orleans was "foreseeable."


In fact, New Orleans has long known that such a disaster could take place if a major hurricane hit the city.


The municipality even prepared its own "City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan."


The plan makes it evident that New Orleans knew that evacuation of the civilian population was the primary responsibility of the city – not the federal government.


The city plan acknowledges its responsibility in the document:


As established by the City of New Orleans Charter, the government has jurisdiction and responsibility in disaster response. City government shall coordinate its efforts through the Office of Emergency Preparedness.


The city document also makes clear that decisions involving a proper and orderly evacuation lie with the governor, mayor and local authorities. Nowhere is the president or federal government even mentioned:



The authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an approaching hurricane is conferred to the Governor by Louisiana Statute. The Governor is granted the power to direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from a stricken or threatened area within the State, if he deems this action necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation, response or recovery. The same power to order an evacuation conferred upon the Governor is also delegated to each political subdivision of the State by Executive Order. This authority empowers the chief elected official of New Orleans, the Mayor of New Orleans, to order the evacuation of the parish residents threatened by an approaching hurricane.



It is clear the city also recognized that it would need to move large portions of its population, and it would need to prepare for such an eventuality:


The City of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas. Those evacuated will be directed to temporary sheltering and feeding facilities as needed. When specific routes of progress are required, evacuees will be directed to those routes. Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific life saving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed. ...

Evacuation procedures for small scale and localized evacuations are conducted per the SOPs of the New Orleans Fire Department and the New Orleans Police Department. However, due to the sheer size and number of persons to be evacuated, should a major tropical weather system or other catastrophic event threaten or impact the area, specifically directed long range planning and coordination of resources and responsibilities efforts must be undertaken. [You can read New Orleans' Emergency Plan for hurricanes at its Web site: http://www.cityofno.com/p...6&tabid=26]


The city's plan also specifically called for the use of city-owned buses and school buses to evacuate the population. These were apparently never deployed, though the Parish of Plaquemines just south of the city evacuated its population using school buses.


The plan, written well before Katrina was even a teardrop in God's eye, was obviously never heeded or implemented by local leaders.


But why should the New Orleans mayor and Governor Blanco take responsibility when they can blame George Bush and the Republicans in Washington?


With congressional elections fast approaching, Democrats who are out of power in every branch of the federal government know they need to change the tide quickly.


They have apparently seized on the Katrina disaster to harm the president politically.


Criticism of the federal government's response is fair and warranted. But putting full responsibility for this disaster on the Bush administration is way over the top.

Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials like Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.
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Reply #1 posted 09/08/05 12:58pm

IrresistibleB1
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you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.

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Reply #2 posted 09/08/05 1:00pm

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You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened. confused At some point "balance" has to be thrown right the fuck out the window in favor of simply looking at facts and letting reality prevail.

Bush failed those people plain and simple and there is no getting around that. His failure to act for 5 days will go down as the most immoral thing he's done in office besides the fraudulent Iraq war.

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[Edited 9/8/05 13:01pm]

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I read somewhere that they had asked for Federal help to strenghthen the levies but the prez gave the money to Alaska instead. Alaskan's needed some kind of bridge repaired.



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that is the most offensive thing i think i've ever read in my life, especcially the part about Broussard, yeah, he cried because of political affiliation, it had nothing to do with the devistation he witnessed and the lack of federal response.


that made me physically ill.


just ignore the fact that under previous administrations, FEMA would meet with the administration, and with local officials BEFORE the hurricaine struck in order to coordinate responses, and that in this case, FEMA responded not at all untill afterward. that in prior Administrations, the head of FEMA was a cabinat level official, and so had more access to the president and therfore a quicker response time. This administration demoted FEMA, put it under the Department of Homeland security, and therfore created more beaurocracy that slowed response time.

But that's not important, is it?

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Reply #5 posted 09/08/05 1:08pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.


So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? confuse

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Reply #6 posted 09/08/05 1:09pm

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I read somewhere that they had asked for Federal help to strenghthen the levies but the prez gave the money to Alaska instead. Alaskan's needed some kind of bridge repaired.



M

Alaska has a Republican governor. What does that tell you? This is simply a failure of national leadership. You don't allow one of the nations largest ports to go unprotected. You invest to insure that it is as safe as possible. Congress has been playing games of cat and mouse with tax payers money, rewarding their friends while ignoring infrastructure that the whole country relies on.

Look at the price of gas, all because we now have shortages because the port of New Orleans is out of commission. And it's not just oil, it's also produce and goods that come from all areas along the Mississippi River. The impact of neglecting this region will be felt by all of us. This isn't about the mayor or the governor. This is about the leadership of this country that has been having a tea party with our tax money, diverting it to wars and tax cuts for people that already have so much money they wouldn't know what to do with more.

These people need to be held accountable for failing the nation.

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Reply #7 posted 09/08/05 1:10pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened. confused At some point "balance" has to be thrown right the fuck out the window in favor of simply looking at facts and letting reality prevail.

Bush failed those people plain and simple and there is no getting around that. His failure to act for 5 days will go down as the most immoral thing he's done in office besides the fraudulent Iraq war.

.
[Edited 9/8/05 13:01pm]


What about the non-actions of the local governments? Don't you think those could have saved lives very easily by bussing people out, etc? Or do they get a pass?

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Reply #8 posted 09/08/05 1:11pm

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.


So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? confuse


like i said - i give up. disbelief

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Reply #9 posted 09/08/05 1:12pm

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I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.

However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively.

I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation.

I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!!

Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair.


Peace

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Reply #10 posted 09/08/05 1:12pm

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

you know what - i give up. continue life in your little bubble, and pray that you're never directly affected by the laziness and incompetence of this president.


So if I died in an earthquake tomorrow (which is highly likey - I work on a fault and I live in the Oakland hills where my house could slide off the hill), I blame Bush? confuse

You don't even get it Dook. This isn't about blaming the president because they died in a natural disaster. This is about holding the president accountable for non-action in the face of this disaster. All of America saw what wss happening on Television and you had officials in the days after the hurricane hit saying they had no idea the problem was that bad. confused Not only that but you have the president praising the head of FEMA for his non-action.

One day you will wake out of the delusion that has you ignoring reality and protecting people who clearly need to be punished far more than will ever happen.

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You don't balance out a show dealing with Holocaust survivors by giving airtime to those who believe the Holocaust is completely manufactured and never happened. confused At some point "balance" has to be thrown right the fuck out the window in favor of simply looking at facts and letting reality prevail.

Bush failed those people plain and simple and there is no getting around that. His failure to act for 5 days will go down as the most immoral thing he's done in office besides the fraudulent Iraq war.

.
[Edited 9/8/05 13:01pm]


What about the non-actions of the local governments? Don't you think those could have saved lives very easily by bussing people out, etc? Or do they get a pass?


THIS WAS BIGGER THAN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT!. You haven't heard Bush saying the disaster area is the size of England? The local authorities called for the help of the government and were ignored. But you wanna give them a pass yourself.

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chiltonmusic said:

I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.

However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively.

I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation.

I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!!

Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair.


Peace

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Reply #13 posted 09/08/05 1:17pm

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chiltonmusic said:

I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.

However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively.

I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation.

I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!!

Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair.


Peace


Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....

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Reply #14 posted 09/08/05 1:24pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:

I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.

However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively.

I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation.

I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!!

Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair.


Peace


Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....


Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... shrug

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....


Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... shrug



but the local governments didn't change their response, they responded the same way that they always responded to hurricane, the only difference here, is that the federal government changed the bureaucracy of FEMA, making it answerable to the department of homeland security and establishing another layer of bureaucracy where there formerly was none. that's the difference, the local officials responded in the same way they always have, but the federal government changed things. that's where it broke down, at the change.
[Edited 9/8/05 13:30pm]

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....


Why don't we just apply blame where blame's due? The Pres could have done more and the local governments could have done more... shrug

You aren't applying blame where it's due!

You come rushing in here talking about fairness and waiting to see what the investigation says. That doesn't sound like blaming anyone. At the same time you're willing to blame the locals so why can't we be fair and wait for the investigation to see if they really are to blame? Because it's obvious that there were failures on the local level that's why. You don't need and investigation to figure that out, just like you don't need an investigation to know that the federal government failed to act, even though they were being asked for help over and over for DAYS.

In this country, president Clinton HAD TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS PRIVATE SEX LIFE but there is absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHATSOEVER for a president who has taken us to war based on lies, robbed the treasury to pay the upper class and his buddies over at Haliburton, and now this disaster....taking his vacations, strumming guitars, photo ops while the media and the local government were all screaming for help. AND NONE CAME. but you're right, it's time to be fair. And I see that Bush supporters are fairly blaming every and anyone BUT BUSH, yes even blaming the victims.

I am so sickened right now.

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Can we at least agree, without bringing others into it, that Bush's response was sluggish?

I'm not blaming him. I am trying to find a word that would accurately describe his response.

Can we agree on that?

We've established on the one hand that he's not Hitler and on the other that he's not Superman.

We're really making progress here!

thumbs up!

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Reply #18 posted 09/08/05 1:39pm

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2the9s said:

Can we at least agree, without bringing others into it, that Bush's response was sluggish?

I'm not blaming him. I am trying to find a word that would accurately describe his response.

Can we agree on that?

We've established on the one hand that he's not Hitler and on the other that he's not Superman.

We're really making progress here!

thumbs up!


he is incompetent, isolated and co-dependent on Rove, Cheney and the rest of the bunch. that makes him dangerous.

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people arent blaming katrina on bush...

they are blaming bush for not being a leader...for not setting a role model like guiliana and he himself did during 9/11..they are upset because bush seemed to not care...he served a cake to mccain..he attended fundraisers....all while them non-true hearts of american actors like julia roberts, sean penn and chris rock headed over to New Orleans and assisted relief...

aint that sad?


thats why americans are upset with bush...come on dook...stop trying to fling mudd..

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:

I was actually going to post a topic along these very lines. Now I am not a Bush supporter by any means and I do feel that he dropped the ball several times when it came to taking charge of this situation.

However it does have to be said that while we blame Bush for his mistakes on this issue. The real fuck ups started before the Pres even got involved and that goes on the Mayor and the Gov. exculsively.

I will give you and example. Here is GA that is where most of you saw that horrendous gas sign that was for $6 a gallon. Well when our Gov saw that he had a press conference instantly and said that shit wasn't going to fly. He didn't wait for the President to take over it was his state and he took over the situation.

I think we can all agree this did not happen in New Orleans. So I would agree with the overall principle of this post which is LA has some inept governmental leaders that choose not to evacuate their people out of their flagship city!!

Also now that Bush is running the show. Are people going to be angry with these forced evacuations that you know he is going to make sure happen? Just trying to be fair.


Peace


Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....



OOOOKKKKK,
No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right?

I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded.

You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically.

Peace

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Reply #21 posted 09/08/05 3:25pm

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chiltonmusic said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Trying to be fair my fucking ass. The way apologist are telling it the FEDS did absolutely nothing wrong. Blame the mayor, blame the governor AND BLAME THE GODDAMNED PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT DID NOTHING FOR 5 GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING DAYS!.

Bush sure is the most blessed man on this fucking goddamned planet. How on earth can such a godly, moral, righteous man ever face any kind of criticism. Oh, it's just that people hate Jesus lovers and you know what that scripture says....that Jesus followers will be persecuted. neutral

Fucking Wow.....



OOOOKKKKK,
No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right?

I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded.

You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically.

Peace

Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit.

The fact remains that despite the failures of the local and state government, they were asking for help from the beginning and none came. None came for 5 days. All the excuses in the world and the shifting of blame from Bush will not excuse the fact that as the leader of this nation he failed those people and America by playing around while people were dying.

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Reply #22 posted 09/08/05 3:31pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:




OOOOKKKKK,
No I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. I am talking about leadership on the local level that failed. See right now your Bush hatred has equated you with those assholes that don't give the Clinton administration any credit for any good that took place in America during his tenure as President. Are you really comfortable with that? Why be the lefts equivolent to the right?

I said in all fairness while you criticize Bush for his failure to lead at the begining of this crisis you must also place the blame (quite squarely mind you) on the leadership of the city and state which by all accounts has been lacking. That is also why I gave you the Sonny Perdue Governor of GA reference. You have seen no example of this in New Orleans and thus the tragedy was compounded.

You have alot of smart things to say but if the begining and ending of all your political statements is "I hate Bush" your points will not be heard by the massess that need to look at this administration more critically.

Peace

Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit.

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No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual.

So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved.

Peace

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Reply #23 posted 09/08/05 3:35pm

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chiltonmusic said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Have you not seen me say that the local government bears blame? Are you blind? No matter what is said or how it's said, the masses are not going to look at this administration through nothing but blind devotion. do you see any of them pegging ANY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDS? You don't so please fucking spare me the bullshit.

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No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual.

So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved.

Peace


And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face.

The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:



No one blaming the Feds and or the Pres? Where are you getting your news from the 700 Club? Hell yes the Pres has been under fire from pretty much all the media outlets even Fox hasn't kissed his ass as much as usual.

So if there is any bullshit sparing its going to have to be you sparing me yours. Don't be so ready to hate that you can't be rational. The only point of my post is spread the blame around because there is plenty for all involved.

Peace


And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face.

The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life.


I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. shrug

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



And you're fucking blinded by whatever the hell is going on in your head because as recent as my last goddamn reply I assigned blame to all levels, including the local and state officials. I'm not blinded by hatred, I"m sickened that Bush supporters are so pathetic that they cannot acknowledge what is right in front of their face.

The president failed those people and you can continue with whatever angle makes you feel better about life.


I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. shrug


Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ReturnOfDOOK said:



I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. shrug


Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that.

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i can vouch for that. lol you owe Supa big time, Dook! i'm not nearly as gracious as he is, trust me.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ReturnOfDOOK said:



I think chiltonmusic and I have assigned blame to all levels as well. We just don't have the rabid hatred towards Bush that the left does. shrug


Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that.

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Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush?

Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. shrug

(Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....)

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Reply #28 posted 09/08/05 3:56pm

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that.

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Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush?

Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. shrug

(Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....)


if you don't know where the gross negligence lies - just look at the dead bodies being collected in New Orleans right now. 25,000 body bags... when is enough enough?

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ReturnOfDOOK said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Then don't start these fucking useless threads absolving Bush of blame OK? How you can sit here and not be angry that the Federal government abandoned those people is beyond me. I know you're not that kind of monster, but you sure are acting like it. I've defended you to people, hope you know that.

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Why don't you start threads screaming about the failings of the local and federal governments without mentioning Bush?

Oh, and I'm not angry with the federal government, the local government, the mayors, etc - I think that a major fuck up happened (obviously) and the problem needs to be fixed. I don't know that there were gross negligence on any of these levels - I'm gonna wait until the smoke clears before I jump on the "news-tidbit" of the day regarding this story. shrug

(Thanks for defending me - honestly. I told you that I could never get mad at you ever again and it's true - you and I are both good peeps - just different opinions....)

But you ignore all the relevant facts to how Bush and the Republican party helped to contribute to the disaster.


  • Money for the levy system diverted to pay for Iraq.

  • National guard troops having to be imported because the national guard is over in Iraq.

  • Gutting funding for FEMA, which has a proven track record of responding to natural disasters in the past.

  • Not repsonding when the local government asked for help. This is a disaster the size of England remind you, they couldn't handle it alone. You're just going to wait for the president to head his own investigation before you make any judgments? You can rest assured that investigation will be fair, unbiased and balanced rolleyes


This disaster starts with the local goverments planning and response but anyone with eyes could see that they were overwhelmed and that the federal government needed to step in. this is so much bigger than the police force of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana. this is a disaster that could have been prevented by the FEDS. Regardless of whether you think Iraq is the right war at the right time, you cannot ignore that these priorities took place behind tax cuts which would have provided the funding to correct the issues that led to this disaster.

And you're lucky we have actually met because right about now I'm not in the mood even for you. I have gone to bat for you but I will not sit by and excuse your excuse making.

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