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The Bible and EARTHQUAKES! Is this a "SIGN" of the end approaching?

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Updated: 10:02 a.m. ET Dec. 26, 2004JAKARTA, Indonesia - The world’s most powerful earthquake in 40 years triggered massive tidal waves that slammed into villages and seaside resorts across Asia on Sunday, killing more than 7,000 people in six countries.

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Tourists, fishermen, homes and cars were swept away by walls of water up to 20 feet high that swept across the Bay of Bengal, unleashed by the 8.9-magnitude earthquake centered off the west coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

Stunned Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra called the tsunamis unprecedented.

“Nothing like this has ever happened in our country before,” he said.

In Sri Lanka, 1,000 miles west of the epicenter, more than 3,000 people were killed, the country’s top police official said. At least 1,870 died in Indonesia, and 1,900 along the southern coasts of India. At least 198 were confirmed dead in Thailand, 42 in Malaysia and two in Bangladesh.

But officials expected the death toll to rise dramatically, with hundreds reported missing and all communications cut off to Sumatran towns closest to the epicenter. Hundreds of bodies were found on various beaches along India’s southern state of Tamil Nadu, and more were expected to be washed in by the sea, officials said.

In Vatican City, Pope John Paul II appealed for swift international help to those afflicted by the earthquake and subsequent tidal waves.

“The Christmas feast has been made sad by the news that reaches us from Southeast Asia,” he told a crowd in St. Peter’s Square for his Sunday blessing on the day after Christmas.

“We pray for the victims of this enormous tragedy and we assure our solidarity for those who are suffering, while we hope that the international community will get moving to bring help to the stricken populations,” the pope said.

The European Union has said it will send an initial $4 million in aid to the region, Reuters reported.

An 8.9 magnitude temblor
The U.S. Geological Survey measured the quake at a magnitude of 8.9. Geophysicist Julie Martinez said it was the world’s fifth largest since 1900 and the largest since a 9.2 quake hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.

“The weather was fine with no clouds, there was no warning and suddenly the sea water just hit the city. In some parts the water was up to chest level,” Bustami, a resident of the Indonesian city of Lhokseumawe, told Reuters by telephone.

“People are panicking now. Some of us are walking by foot and others are on military trucks going to higher ground," Bustami said.

The effects of Sunday’s quake rippled across the region, as towns were crushed by floodwaters and fishermen were swept out to sea.

In Sri Lanka, the office of the prime minister said that more than 3,000 people were killed. Some 1 million others — 5 percent of the population — were displaced by the waters.

“The death toll is going up all the time,” said Lalith Weerathunga, secretary to the prime minister.

“The president has declared a state of national disaster due to the seriousness of the situation," President Chandrika Kumaratunga’s office said.

An Associated Press photographer near Colombo, Sri Lanka, counted 24 bodies in a stretch of four miles. Rows of men and women were standing on the road asking if anyone had seen their family members.

Beyond comprehension
In India, beaches were turned into virtual open-air mortuaries, with bodies of people caught in the tidal wave being washed ashore. The states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Pondicherry were hit hardest, officials and rescue workers said.

Residents of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh states said 12-foot storm surges slammed into shore.

“I was shocked to see innumerable fishing boats flying on the shoulder of the waves, going back and forth into the sea, as if made of paper,” said P. Ramanamurthy, 40, who lives in Andhra Pradesh’s Kakinada town. “I had never imagined anything like this could happen.”

Cabinet Secretary B. K. Chaturvedi told reporters that the Indian air force would drop food packets, medicines and diesel generating sets in the affected areas.

In Indonesia, hospital and local officials said the death toll had reached at least 1,870.

Communications were down in several coastal towns facing the epicenter of the undersea quake off the western coast of the island’s Aceh Province, raising fears of widespread and as yet unreported damage on the island.

“We have never seen anything like this. The waves just kept coming. We have fled to high areas for safety,” Kibaret Sarumaha, a resident on Nias, told Metro TV.

Nearly 200 people died in popular southern Thailand resorts, officials said. The Narenthorn Center of the Public Health Ministry said people were swept away in Phuket by a tsunami with 16-foot waves. More than 1,900 were injured and many others were missing.

Waves reported to be up to 30 feet high crashed into beaches, where thousands of tourists were lazing on the country’s renowned white sand beaches when the earthquake struck. Hundreds of bungalows, boats and cars were carried out to sea.

Police and rescue workers in Malaysia said 42 people were killed. More than 1,000 homes across numerous fishing villages were destroyed as waves roared into the coastline, leaving hundreds of families homeless, disaster officials said.

Two-thirds of the Maldives capital, Male, was flooded and officials voiced anxiety for the fate of dozens of low-lying, palm-ringed coral atolls crowded with international tourists for the holiday season.

'Ring of Fire'
Indonesia, a country of 17,000 islands, is prone to seismic upheaval because of its location on the margins of tectonic plates that make up the so-called the “Ring of Fire” around the Pacific Ocean basin.

The Indonesian quake struck just three days after an 8.1 quake struck the ocean floor between Australia and Antarctica, causing buildings to shake hundreds of miles away but no serious damage or injury.

Quakes reaching a magnitude 8 are very rare. A quake registering magnitude 8 rocked Japan’s northern island of Hokkaido on Sept. 25, 2003, injuring nearly 600 people. An 8.4 magnitude tremor that stuck off the coast of Peru on June 23, 2001, killed 74.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.



For anyone who may be doubting the authenticity of Bible prophecy.


Matthew 24:7

7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

9 “Then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Mark 13:8-13

8 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.

9 “As for you, look out for yourselves; people will deliver you up to local courts, and you will be beaten in synagogues and be put on the stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them. 10 Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first. 11 But when they are leading you along to deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand about what to speak; but whatever is given you in that hour, speak this, for you are not the ones speaking, but the holy spirit is. 12 Furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name. But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.




This is an old quote from an article I was researching:

In the Italian journal Il Piccolo, of October 8, 1978, Geo Malagoli observed:

“Our generation lives in a dangerous period of high seismic activity, as statistics show. In fact, during a period of 1,059 years (from 856 to 1914) reliable sources list only 24 major earthquakes causing 1,973,000 deaths. However, [in] recent disasters, we find that 1,600,000 persons have died in only 63 years, as a result of 43 earthquakes which occurred from 1915 to 1978. This dramatic increase further goes to emphasize another accepted fact—our generation is an unfortunate one in many ways.”



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Reply #1 posted 12/26/04 9:08am

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jojofran said:

In the Italian journal Il Piccolo, of October 8, 1978, Geo Malagoli observed:

“Our generation lives in a dangerous period of high seismic activity, as statistics show. In fact, during a period of 1,059 years (from 856 to 1914) reliable sources list only 24 major earthquakes causing 1,973,000 deaths. However, [in] recent disasters, we find that 1,600,000 persons have died in only 63 years, as a result of 43 earthquakes which occurred from 1915 to 1978. This dramatic increase further goes to emphasize another accepted fact—our generation is an unfortunate one in many ways.”



falloff Like who, the Associated Press? Or maybe Reuters?

Record keeping was not really top notch for most of that time period. Comparing modern earthquake data to that is completely specious and pointless.

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Reply #2 posted 12/26/04 9:09am

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Reply #3 posted 12/26/04 9:11am

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VoicesCarry said:

jojofran said:

In the Italian journal Il Piccolo, of October 8, 1978, Geo Malagoli observed:

“Our generation lives in a dangerous period of high seismic activity, as statistics show. In fact, during a period of 1,059 years (from 856 to 1914) reliable sources list only 24 major earthquakes causing 1,973,000 deaths. However, [in] recent disasters, we find that 1,600,000 persons have died in only 63 years, as a result of 43 earthquakes which occurred from 1915 to 1978. This dramatic increase further goes to emphasize another accepted fact—our generation is an unfortunate one in many ways.”



falloff Like who, the Associated Press? Or maybe Reuters?

Record keeping was not really top notch for most of that time period. Comparing modern earthquake data to that is completely specious and pointless.



Those are your only thoughts? Okay.

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Reply #4 posted 12/26/04 9:13am

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jojofran said:

VoicesCarry said:



falloff Like who, the Associated Press? Or maybe Reuters?

Record keeping was not really top notch for most of that time period. Comparing modern earthquake data to that is completely specious and pointless.



Those are your only thoughts? Okay.


Well, I'm not Christian. What am I supposed to think? Completely ridiculous piffle to me.

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Reply #5 posted 12/26/04 9:17am

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Reply #6 posted 12/26/04 9:36am

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Seriously though, people, whatever you believe, this is a tragedy. 8,500 dead was the last figure I heard quoted.

Appaling. sad

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
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Reply #7 posted 12/26/04 9:41am

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bUcKaRoO said:

Seriously though, people, whatever you believe, this is a tragedy. 8,500 dead was the last figure I heard quoted.

Appaling. sad



10.000 according to the dutch news and several thousand missing sad

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Reply #8 posted 12/26/04 10:39am

Snap

...and have you seen what's going on in Israel during the last three months? The Sanhedrin is back together after almost 2000 years (in preparation for a new temple and the coming messiah), a marriage took place on the Temple Mount (the first in almost 2000 years), water is now pouring from the Temple Mount in preparation for a new priesthood, and they just had a water libations ceremony a couple days ago on the Temple Mount. And they once again marched around with the cornerstones to be laid for the third temple. Not to mention that Arafat is dead and Sharon says he's willing to make some big compromises for peace.

edit: for those who don't read your Bible, this means the end is very near
[Edited 12/26/04 10:40am]

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Some people really need to get a grip on reality. This is just scaremongering. disbelief

So in your eyes your God wipes out thousands of innocent people just to signify "the end"?
Hmmm..how loving.

There's thousands dead and missing, and all you can do is speculate whether your God is trying to tell us that the end is near? That's just sickeningly thoughtless.

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Reply #10 posted 12/26/04 1:12pm

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axlfilth said:

Some people really need to get a grip on reality. This is just scaremongering. disbelief

So in your eyes your God wipes out thousands of innocent people just to signify "the end"?
Hmmm..how loving.

There's thousands dead and missing, and all you can do is speculate whether your God is trying to tell us that the end is near? That's just sickeningly thoughtless.

Where did you get the idea that God is doing it? Earthquakes are the result of tectonic activity, not God. It's meant to be a sign.

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
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axlfilth said:

Some people really need to get a grip on reality. This is just scaremongering. disbelief

So in your eyes your God wipes out thousands of innocent people just to signify "the end"?
Hmmm..how loving.

There's thousands dead and missing, and all you can do is speculate whether your God is trying to tell us that the end is near? That's just sickeningly thoughtless.



To be totally and unequivocally honest with you Axlfilth, I have said nothing at all. Let me clarify... I am only asking for the thoughts of those who are interested in the issue.

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Reply #12 posted 12/26/04 3:12pm

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jojofran said:

axlfilth said:

Some people really need to get a grip on reality. This is just scaremongering. disbelief

So in your eyes your God wipes out thousands of innocent people just to signify "the end"?
Hmmm..how loving.

There's thousands dead and missing, and all you can do is speculate whether your God is trying to tell us that the end is near? That's just sickeningly thoughtless.



To be totally and unequivocally honest with you Axlfilth, I have said nothing at all. Let me clarify... I am only asking for the thoughts of those who are interested in the issue.


What issue?

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Reply #13 posted 12/26/04 4:34pm

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VoicesCarry said:

jojofran said:




To be totally and unequivocally honest with you Axlfilth, I have said nothing at all. Let me clarify... I am only asking for the thoughts of those who are interested in the issue.


What issue?



earthquake....


earthquake?

EARTHQUAKE!!!!!

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Reply #14 posted 12/26/04 4:49pm

VoicesCarry

sosgemini said:

VoicesCarry said:



What issue?



earthquake....


earthquake?

EARTHQUAKE!!!!!


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Reply #15 posted 12/26/04 5:37pm

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VoicesCarry said:

jojofran said:




Those are your only thoughts? Okay.


Well, I'm not Christian. What am I supposed to think? Completely ridiculous piffle to me.


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The bible predicts earthquakes?

The bible also says the earth was made in the span of a week, and eating pork and chicken on the same plate is an abomination against God.

Less prophecy and more emphasis on the message of love, me thinks.

My take on that horrible earthquake may sound a little simplistic, but I think it has something to do with plate techtonics.

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Reply #16 posted 12/26/04 10:42pm

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It could be a sign, I don't know. No one but God knows.

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The end is nigh! Repent! Repent! Repent!

... ah fuck! Just spilled mah beer.

There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently
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Shapeshifter said:

The end is nigh! Repent! Repent! Repent!

... ah fuck! Just spilled mah beer.



falloff

that's it! you're goin straight to hell!!





(disclaimer: for anyone who wants to try and pick at this post, this is only a joke. i repeat, this is only a joke. i do not believe in the traditional "hell" where "sinners" go to burn in torment forever. i repeat, this in only a joke.)

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AsianBomb777 said:

The bible predicts earthquakes?

More to the point, Jesus predicts earthquakes - part of a composite 'sign' which would herald the end:

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." -Matthew 24:7

AsianBomb777 said:

The bible also says the earth was made in the span of a week, and eating pork and chicken on the same plate is an abomination against God.

The Bible's creative 'week' wasn't a literal 168 hours, as the context makes clear. A 'day' in creation is of indeterminate length; the term was used to describe a passage of time. Also, under the Law (which isn't binding for Christians), certain foods were proscribed as unclean. This was for a number of reasons, mainly hygiene. Remember that, at the time, the Israelites were nomadic desert-dwellers.

AsianBomb said:

Less prophecy and more emphasis on the message of love, me thinks.

The reality is that Jesus came, not just to preach love and a measure of tolerance, but to warn about the end of the world and preach the good news about the coming Kingdom of God, which would replace it.

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
-Matthew 6:10
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1 Thessalonians 5:2 says that the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Matthew 24:36 says that "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (KJV) Revelations says that before the end times, Israel would become a country again, so we've seen tons of predictions since 1948.

When I was a kid, someone put flyers in all the windshields in the church parking lot giving us "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Could Be in 1988." The next year, it was 89 reasons. I understand how people can see prophesy being fulfilled, but it's futile to try to put a date on the Rapture or Jesus' return.

When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born.
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bUcKaRoO said:

Also, under the Law (which isn't binding for Christians)



So why do so many use the Law to prescute gays?

or did somewhere only certain parts of the law get lifted

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said:

bUcKaRoO said:

Also, under the Law (which isn't binding for Christians)



So why do so many use the Law to prescute gays?

or did somewhere only certain parts of the law get lifted

You'd have to ask them. As for the Law; yes, most of it was 'lifted' - especially the dietary restrictions and sacrifices, that sort of thing. Yet the NT says:

"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9,10

and

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well." -Acts 15:28,29

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
-Matthew 6:10
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Reply #23 posted 12/27/04 2:30pm

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No.

"Think inside out." stoned
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bUcKaRoO said:

AsianBomb777 said:

The bible predicts earthquakes?

More to the point, Jesus predicts earthquakes - part of a composite 'sign' which would herald the end:

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." -Matthew 24:7


The Bible's creative 'week' wasn't a literal 168 hours, as the context makes clear. A 'day' in creation is of indeterminate length; the term was used to describe a passage of time. Also, under the Law (which isn't binding for Christians), certain foods were proscribed as unclean. This was for a number of reasons, mainly hygiene. Remember that, at the time, the Israelites were nomadic desert-dwellers.

AsianBomb said:

Less prophecy and more emphasis on the message of love, me thinks.

The reality is that Jesus came, not just to preach love and a measure of tolerance, but to warn about the end of the world and preach the good news about the coming Kingdom of God, which would replace it.


The theory that it wasn't a literal week is speculation. That's one of the things that is frequently used to explain the ages of some of the people in the first testement (forgive my spelling), but if you read "101 Myths of the Bible" alot of those time discrepencies are explained.
Also, the idea that certain foods where hygenically unclean doesn't explain why it would be viewed as an abomination against God.
Sheesh, I've lost interest in this thread already.

Sorry guys, I won't be dropping in on this one anymore--I just realized I got hooked in.
[Edited 12/27/04 15:00pm]

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bUcKaRoO said:

ehuffnsd said:




So why do so many use the Law to prescute gays?

or did somewhere only certain parts of the law get lifted

You'd have to ask them. As for the Law; yes, most of it was 'lifted' - especially the dietary restrictions and sacrifices, that sort of thing. Yet the NT says:

"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9,10

and

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well." -Acts 15:28,29



the averege age for loss of viriginity in the US 16. so i think the whole country isn't going to see the Kingdom of God... or are they foregiven cause they are straight?

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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AsianBoi777 said:

The theory that it wasn't a literal week is speculation. That's one of the things that is frequently used to explain the ages of some of the people in the first testement (forgive my spelling),

Not speculation, at all - the Bible itself tells us the creative 'days' weren't literal. At Genesis 2:4, we read;

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

Here, the six creative days - collectively - are referred to as a 'day'. It's clearly not literal.

Oh, and the lengthy life-spans of Adam, Methuselah, etc.? Simple. They were much nearer perfection back then.

Further to this are Paul's words, at Hebrews 4:9-11, where he refers to God's 'day of rest', begun after the completion of earthly creation, as still in progress. By Paul's day, that 'day of rest' had already lasted 4,000 years!

AsianBoi777 said:

Also, the idea that certain foods where hygenically unclean doesn't explain why it would be viewed as an abomination against God.

No, the unclean foods were to be an abomination for whoever eat them. Their uncleanness was with regard to food or sacrificial purposes. If you like, they were the Israelite equivalent of the forbidden fruit in Eden. In a similar way, abstention from these was the Israelite nation's sign of obedience to God.
[Edited 12/27/04 16:16pm]
[Edited 12/27/04 16:16pm]

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ehuffnsd said:

the averege age for loss of viriginity in the US 16. so i think the whole country isn't going to see the Kingdom of God... or are they foregiven cause they are straight?

Certainly not! Fornication is fornication. Lights out..

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
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bUcKaRoO said:



Further to this are Paul's words, at Hebrews 4:9-11, where he refers to God's 'day of rest', begun after the completion of earthly creation, as still in progress. By Paul's day, that 'day of rest' had already lasted 4,000 years!




the Earth is over 5 billion years old

i don't remember if it's this thread or the similar one... but the reason more poeple have died or there have been more recorded earthquakes is that there are more than 6billion people on Earth now... and we are more spread and more literate than in the past so we can record these events better

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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So many non-religious folk responding in a negative way? I really did think that folks would see a corolation to these versus. Maybe television and movies have deadened our senses to the point where we can no longer clearly identify catastrophy and anomally. Twenty-three thousand people have perished in one day and that is just the current figure. Actually people scoffing at the idea of Bible predictions and prophecy is nothing new. I know Jehovah didn't cause this event to happen but it reminds me of what I used to think regarding the account of Noah and the Flood, "How could all those people be so blind to his warning? How could SO MANY PEOPLE just not take "any" note? Even though God "did" cause the flood their was warning given. I don't know about any one else on this thread but I was mortified at the loss of life to the point of tears. Prayerfully, Jehovah will remember all people that have suffered and lost their lives in such tragic events. So many of the prophecies fortold by Jesus are happening in our day that it is beyond my comprehension why some people don't at least consider the notion of authenticity and corolation.

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