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Euthanasia - Assisted Suicide Just wondering what people think of the euthanasia or assisted suicide for the very sick or old. What do you all think of the overall notion of assisting those that want to die, if they are really sick or too old to function. Of course, I am talking about someone consciously asking to die, because thier bodies are just too weak to go on and every day is just mainenence of their bodies just to live. Or even assisting your own death, should you be terminally ill and in pain all the time.
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I'm all for it. Bring it on and don't deny me my chosen death if I decide I want to be knocked off instead of suffering for a long time. "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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Euthanasia should be a human right so long as the conditions are suitable, and the act has been given consent of everyone involved, including doctors and lawyers.  ..... BULLSEYE!  | |
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tough topic ... and terribly depressing ... | |
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I am completely for a person's choice to end their life if they are suffering with immense pain. A cancer victim shouldn't have to live with unbearable pain because of someone else's sanctity of life issues. Quality of life matters and if a person is so wracked with pain that they literally cannot take it anymore, it's moral to help them to end their suffering. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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i'm completely for it. i think the point of view that the sanctity of someone's life trumps that person's right to end great suffering is simply cruel. i think this is a practice that should be regulated up and down, with mandatory counseling for the person in question and that person's next of kin; however, i think this should be an option for terminally ill and suffering individuals - absolutely. | |
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This topic has come up before, so I'll quote my usual stance. The way I see it is that justice is completely perverse to forcefully keep a terminal ill patient alive through intense pain and humiliation, when, it is down right illegal to keep laboratory animals in such conditions. I know it's a strange way to look at it, and I don't want to bring in a totally different topic, but it does highlight the ironic fact that the legals concerns of suffering in animals is in some respects so much more advanced than for humans. ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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If it's legal, it will be promoted, and people will be talked into it. People's children will talk them into it. Doctors will selfishly talk people into it, if only to justify their careers, not to mention that euthanasia defies the baseic credo of "above all, do no harm."
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Thunderbird said: If it's legal, it will be promoted, and people will be talked into it. People's children will talk them into it. Doctors will selfishly talk people into it, if only to justify their careers, not to mention that euthanasia defies the baseic credo of "above all, do no harm."
Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up. Is anybody going to talk you into it? No. People know their personal thresholds. You aren't the only person out there that would try to give it all they can to live. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Thunderbird said: If it's legal, it will be promoted, and people will be talked into it. People's children will talk them into it. Doctors will selfishly talk people into it, if only to justify their careers, not to mention that euthanasia defies the baseic credo of "above all, do no harm."
Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up. Is anybody going to talk you into it? No. People know their personal thresholds. You aren't the only person out there that would try to give it all they can to live. If it's legal, doctors will choose that career path, and for them to have a career, people will have to die. Remember, we're talking about the medical industry. I think suffering is horrible, but along with ending suffering, you're going to have people just giving up. Same as how you will have innocent people executed if the death penalty is legal. At some point, someone will slip through, and that makes it fundamentally flawed. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Thunderbird said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Is anybody going to talk you into it? No. People know their personal thresholds. You aren't the only person out there that would try to give it all they can to live. If it's legal, doctors will choose that career path, and for them to have a career, people will have to die. Remember, we're talking about the medical industry. I think suffering is horrible, but along with ending suffering, you're going to have people just giving up. Same as how you will have innocent people executed if the death penalty is legal. At some point, someone will slip through, and that makes it fundamentally flawed. I don't think there will be specialized doctors, I do think you are stretching. It would be up to the person, their family and their personal physician. I don't believe it would become a branch of the medical profession. This is very different from the death penalty. The person themselves know what they can and cannot handle. It isn't up to a jury to decide if that person has enough pain to justify their decision. It's humane and worthy of consideration 
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Thunderbird said: If it's legal, it will be promoted, and people will be talked into it. People's children will talk them into it. Doctors will selfishly talk people into it, if only to justify their careers, not to mention that euthanasia defies the baseic credo of "above all, do no harm."
This is the main arguement against the whole thing, and sure you'll get selfish relatives involved...as you do for the writing of wills everyday. But nevertheless the bottom line is that suitable evaluation must be required to deduce whether any coercing was deemed insignificant for the case at hand....that being the medical, and mortal reasons for the patients decision to die. And doctors are hardly going to think that they are going to 'justify' their careers by aiding the death of somebody... 
Doctors tend to get more respect for fixing folks. And they'd get more money actually fixing folks too. Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up.
You would if you had cancer of the lungs, liver, pancreas, and bowel, was being fed through tubes, continuously shitting blood, and the morphine couldn't ameliorate all the discomfort without....killing you. ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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Thunderbird said:[quote] Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up.
Taureau said: You would if you had cancer of the lungs, liver, pancreas, and bowel, was being fed through tubes, continuously shitting blood, and the morphine couldn't ameliorate all the discomfort without....killing you. And here is the problem with these absolutist attitudes. Nobody knows how they will react to this situation until they are in it. Thunder, you may not be as strong as you think.... 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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Thunderbird said: If it's legal, it will be promoted, and people will be talked into it. People's children will talk them into it. Doctors will selfishly talk people into it, if only to justify their careers, not to mention that euthanasia defies the baseic credo of "above all, do no harm."
Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up. Perhaps. But I think that's pushing the bounds a bit far. We are talking assisting death here to the terminally ill and suffering. A law would have to have it for both sides to take responsibility. I just don't think we should have a law punishing those that help others die...if that's what the person wants. You may not believe in giving up...but that's not what it's about. Imagine living with constant pain and discomfort..not able to eat...throwing up when you do. A day consists of waking up...someone helping you out of bed,,,someone feeding and washing you. you have trouble sitting up, so you have to lay in bed. you may be lying there, in pain, nothing you can do but just live it out. you fall asleep to wake to the same. how long can you endure that? a day. a week, a month. longer? As the pain gets worse. Anyway it's a hard thing to judge...until you get there. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Thunderbird said: Bottom line, though, I don't believe in giving up. good for you. | |
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I'm all for it. I believe anyone should be able to choose to die if they wish. |
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superspaceboy said: Imagine living with constant pain and discomfort..not able to eat...throwing up when you do. A day consists of waking up...someone helping you out of bed,,,someone feeding and washing you. you have trouble sitting up, so you have to lay in bed. you may be lying there, in pain, nothing you can do but just live it out. you fall asleep to wake to the same. how long can you endure that? a day. a week, a month. longer? As the pain gets worse.
Sounds like me when my g/f's over to visit.  ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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CarrieMpls said: I'm all for it. I believe anyone should be able to choose to die if they wish.
I choose to die by implosion or by an EXTREME drag makeover. I have thought about magically disappearing but it would be an illusion. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Sounds like me when my g/f's over to visit.
is that .... multiple girlfriends??? as in ... multiple nights of pain ??? | |
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I'm not as liberal as some people may think. I'm completely against it.
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superspaceboy said: CarrieMpls said: I'm all for it. I believe anyone should be able to choose to die if they wish.
I choose to die by implosion or by an EXTREME drag makeover. I have thought about magically disappearing but it would be an illusion. 
That will be THE problem. Folks will get bored with the idea of anesthetic death. I'd make my last quick buck by taking bets for Russian roulette style syringes. ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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BinaryJustin said: I'm not as liberal as some people may think. I'm completely against it.
I think the concept of "sound body and mind" is flawed. Many medications can affect your judgment. I wouldn't want to be in a hospital bed being force-fed mindbending opiates and be expected to make a rational decision as to whether or not I want to live. Suicide or assisted suicide is the same thing. Like food and fast food. The end result is the same whether it's by your own hand or another's. I hear what you're saying, but what about the concept of a living will? I'd rather they pull the plug on me and be ready to spare my family the heartache and pain of having to make that decision by having one set and ready to go. Created and notarized when I am still of sound mind and body. I can see assisted suicide being just another facet of that. |
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BinaryJustin said: I'm not as liberal as some people may think. I'm completely against it.
I think the concept of "sound body and mind" is flawed. Many medications can affect your judgment. I wouldn't want to be in a hospital bed being force-fed mindbending opiates and be expected to make a rational decision as to whether or not I want to live. Suicide or assisted suicide is the same thing. Like food and fast food. The end result is the same whether it's by your own hand or another's. i don't think anyone is advocating for an option that doesn't include apt consideration for the given situation - we're not talking about stocking cyanide in gumball machines or anything like that. to me, a life that is forced to be lived by people who couldn't possibly comprehend the person's suffering is nothing but torture. | |
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superspaceboy said: CarrieMpls said: I'm all for it. I believe anyone should be able to choose to die if they wish.
I choose to die by implosion or by an EXTREME drag makeover. I have thought about magically disappearing but it would be an illusion.  |
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Anxiety said: to me, a life that is forced to be lived by people who couldn't possibly comprehend the person's suffering is nothing but torture.
I could apply that scenario to my life right now - but I won't dwell. Suicide isn't painless. | |
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BinaryJustin said: Anxiety said: to me, a life that is forced to be lived by people who couldn't possibly comprehend the person's suffering is nothing but torture.
I could apply that scenario to my life right now - but I won't dwell. Suicide isn't painless. Death in general isn't painless, particularly for the people left behind. I would rather work through sadness knowing that someone I love is out of their misery, than end each day knowing that person is resigned to a lifetime of pain that I couldn't even begin to imagine. This is not to say that if that same person chose to keep on enduring it, I wouldn't respect it. Of course I would. I just think we should have the freedom to go when we - the person in question and that person's family - know the time has come. And that is not a decision that is to be reached lightly. Not in the least. | |
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BinaryJustin said: I'm not as liberal as some people may think. I'm completely against it.
I think the concept of "sound body and mind" is flawed. Many medications can affect your judgment. I wouldn't want to be in a hospital bed being force-fed mindbending opiates and be expected to make a rational decision as to whether or not I want to live. Suicide or assisted suicide is the same thing. Like food and fast food. The end result is the same whether it's by your own hand or another's. The moment of decision can be before they get put on mind altering opiates. As you all know, my grandmother passed away recently. She was given morphene for the pain...but she pretty much up to the last day what was going on...even fought the hospital bed we had to put in her room. In her last few weeks, she wasn't even watching tv...just sitting in her chair...waiting, I'm sure. Thinking thing we could not fathom. She didn't have even the energy to care about TV (and when you're old and that's all you pretty much CAN do...it says a lot) She was done. Done with the chemo, done with the blood transfusions, done with the doctor visits that were becomeing increasingly difficult to get to. When does one make the decision that all one is doing is basically maintaining what is left in their body. When does one make the decision that there isn't enough money that could pay for anymore hospital care or medication that will make you not be in pain. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Mastodon said: I'm all for it. Bring it on and don't deny me my chosen death if I decide I want to be knocked off instead of suffering for a long time.
Agreed. Quite honestly, I'd rather avoid the nappies and dribbling stage of my life (at least, the second time around). I think, for the sake of human dignity, people should be afforded the ability to choose to end their lives in cases of severe illness, terminal illness, or some seriously debilitating condition. | |
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ian said: Mastodon said: I'm all for it. Bring it on and don't deny me my chosen death if I decide I want to be knocked off instead of suffering for a long time.
Agreed. Quite honestly, I'd rather avoid the nappies and dribbling stage of my life (at least, the second time around). I think, for the sake of human dignity, people should be afforded the ability to choose to end their lives in cases of severe illness, terminal illness, or some seriously debilitating condition. You said it the way I would have said it had I not been in a hurry. "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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