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Bush is SMARTER than Kerry

FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES

Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

Published: October 24, 2004



o Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W. Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential I.Q.'s. During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr. Bush's SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points lower than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a comparison of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are not formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.

Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax.

You might expect Kerry campaign officials, who have worried that their candidate's intellectual image turns off voters, to quickly rush out a commercial trumpeting these new results, but for some reason they seem to be resisting the temptation.

Upon hearing of their candidate's score, Michael Meehan, a spokesman for the senator, said merely: "The true test is not where you start out in life, but what you do with those God-given talents. John Kerry's 40 years of public service puts him in the top percentile on that measure."


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Reply #1 posted 11/04/04 1:13pm

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Whatever smarts he had went up in a blaze when he sparked that crackpipe. Oh wait, he shoveled the cocaine in didn't he?

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Reply #2 posted 11/04/04 1:14pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Whatever smarts he had went up in a blaze when he sparked that crackpipe. Oh wait, he shoveled the cocaine in didn't he?


Let's face it, Bush is smarter than Kerry. No jokes are going to make that change.

Error in grammar.
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Reply #3 posted 11/04/04 1:18pm

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Mastodon said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Whatever smarts he had went up in a blaze when he sparked that crackpipe. Oh wait, he shoveled the cocaine in didn't he?


Let's face it, Bush is smarter than Kerry. No jokes are going to make the change.


Can't speak the language, can't debate, can't ride bikes or eat pretzels. Sounds like a genius thumbs up!

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Reply #4 posted 11/04/04 1:20pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mastodon said:



Let's face it, Bush is smarter than Kerry. No jokes are going to make the change.


Can't speak the language, can't debate, can't ride bikes or eat pretzels. Sounds like a genius thumbs up!


He's certainly not a genius, but he is smarter than Kerry and that's funny to me.

Stephen Hawking can't speak the language, ride a bike or eat pretzels, by the way.

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Reply #5 posted 11/04/04 1:22pm

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So if the New York Times prints it, it must be true. Why am I wasting my time reading the bible?!?!? doh!

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Reply #6 posted 11/04/04 1:23pm

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Mastodon said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Can't speak the language, can't debate, can't ride bikes or eat pretzels. Sounds like a genius thumbs up!


He's certainly not a genius, but he is smarter than Kerry and that's funny to me.

Stephen Hawking can't speak the language, ride a bike or eat pretzels, by the way.


Bush is no stephen Hawking no no no! It's funny you think an obvious idiot is smarter than Kerry. Hilarious really evillol

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Reply #7 posted 11/04/04 1:24pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mastodon said:



He's certainly not a genius, but he is smarter than Kerry and that's funny to me.

Stephen Hawking can't speak the language, ride a bike or eat pretzels, by the way.


Bush is no stephen Hawking no no no! It's funny you think an obvious idiot is smarter than Kerry. Hilarious really evillol


He has a higher IQ, thus he is smarter. Bush isn't the smartest fucker out there, but Kerry isn't quite as smart as him.

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Reply #8 posted 11/04/04 1:25pm

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Mastodon said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Bush is no stephen Hawking no no no! It's funny you think an obvious idiot is smarter than Kerry. Hilarious really evillol


He has a higher IQ, thus he is smarter. Bush isn't the smartest fucker out there, but Kerry isn't quite as smart as him.

The debates say otherwise... nod

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mastodon said:



He has a higher IQ, thus he is smarter. Bush isn't the smartest fucker out there, but Kerry isn't quite as smart as him.

The debates say otherwise... nod


Is it possible for someone to be a poor public speaker and still be smart?

What about some poor fuck with a speech impediment?

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Reply #10 posted 11/04/04 1:26pm

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You really are a master of starting baiting threads, aren't you?

Get out more, there's a real world out there and if you want to argue about intelligence err go argue with yourself in the mirror.

Generally speaking, you aren’t learning much when your lips are moving.
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Reply #11 posted 11/04/04 1:27pm

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Mastodon said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


The debates say otherwise... nod


Is it possible for someone to be a poor public speaker and still be smart?

What about some poor fuck with a speech impediment?


Anything's possible. But 4 years worth of idiocy is pretty good proof. If Bush ever had it, he's lost it. nod

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Thomas Edison: Cabbage Rolls

To his great consternation, Thomas Edison often found visitors in his office helping themselves to his Havana cigars. As Edison could not be bothered locking them up, his secretary suggested that he have a friend in the cigar trade make some cigars out of cabbage leaves; these could then be substituted for the genuine Havanas. Edison agreed but forgot about the arrangement and remembered only after returning from a trip some time later. He called his secretary and asked why the bogus cigars had not arrived. The secretary replied that they had arrived and had been passed along to his manager. Edison then called the manager, who explained that, not knowing what they were, he had packed them in Edison's bag before his trip. "And do you know," Edison later recalled, "I smoked every one of those damned cigars myself!" source: http://www.anecdotage.com...p?aid=5945

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Reply #13 posted 11/04/04 1:39pm

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Thunderbird said:

Thomas Edison: Cabbage Rolls

To his great consternation, Thomas Edison often found visitors in his office helping themselves to his Havana cigars. As Edison could not be bothered locking them up, his secretary suggested that he have a friend in the cigar trade make some cigars out of cabbage leaves; these could then be substituted for the genuine Havanas. Edison agreed but forgot about the arrangement and remembered only after returning from a trip some time later. He called his secretary and asked why the bogus cigars had not arrived. The secretary replied that they had arrived and had been passed along to his manager. Edison then called the manager, who explained that, not knowing what they were, he had packed them in Edison's bag before his trip. "And do you know," Edison later recalled, "I smoked every one of those damned cigars myself!" source: http://www.anecdotage.com...p?aid=5945


falloff Great story! We all have our moments.

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Thunderbird said:

Thomas Edison: Cabbage Rolls

To his great consternation, Thomas Edison often found visitors in his office helping themselves to his Havana cigars. As Edison could not be bothered locking them up, his secretary suggested that he have a friend in the cigar trade make some cigars out of cabbage leaves; these could then be substituted for the genuine Havanas. Edison agreed but forgot about the arrangement and remembered only after returning from a trip some time later. He called his secretary and asked why the bogus cigars had not arrived. The secretary replied that they had arrived and had been passed along to his manager. Edison then called the manager, who explained that, not knowing what they were, he had packed them in Edison's bag before his trip. "And do you know," Edison later recalled, "I smoked every one of those damned cigars myself!" source: http://www.anecdotage.com...p?aid=5945


Edison wuddnt two smart none tho like Bush.

lol

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Albert Einstein was much respected for his kind and friendly demeanor rooted in his pacifism. He was modest about his abilities, and had distinctive attitudes and fashions—for example, he minimized his wardrobe so that he would not need to waste time in deciding on what to wear. He occasionally had a playful sense of humour, and enjoyed playing the violin and sailing. He was also the prototypical "absent-minded professor"; he was often forgetful of everyday items, such as keys, and would focus so intently on solving physics problems that he would often become oblivious to his surroundings. http://www.nationmaster.c...t-Einstein

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Thunderbird said:

Albert Einstein was much respected for his kind and friendly demeanor rooted in his pacifism. He was modest about his abilities, and had distinctive attitudes and fashions—for example, he minimized his wardrobe so that he would not need to waste time in deciding on what to wear. He occasionally had a playful sense of humour, and enjoyed playing the violin and sailing. He was also the prototypical "absent-minded professor"; he was often forgetful of everyday items, such as keys, and would focus so intently on solving physics problems that he would often become oblivious to his surroundings. http://www.nationmaster.c...t-Einstein


Eeinsteen wuddnt even none so smarts as Kerry doh.

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Mastodon said:

Thunderbird said:



Eeinsteen wuddnt even none so smarts as Kerry doh.

lol

You're right, intelligence only shows itself in long-winded, meandering, pointless yet presidential-sounding speeches. biggrin

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Reply #18 posted 11/04/04 1:50pm

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Lets say Bush is smarter.....then they are both idiots.


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Rhondab said:

Lets say Bush is smarter.....then they are both idiots.


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Yes, they are both idiots.

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musttttt.....pushhhh.....butttonnnsss.....musst...pushh...buttonnsss....

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Reply #21 posted 11/04/04 2:07pm

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In other news, lobotomy clinics have begun suddenly sprouting up all across the nation this week.

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Reply #22 posted 11/04/04 2:18pm

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Wow!! A conservative columnist who extrapolated independent results from completely different tests taken by the candidates at different times concluded that George Bush's IQ is slightly higher than Kerry's? And just 1 week before the elections??

Well, that proves it!

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Reply #23 posted 11/04/04 2:26pm

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What a load of horseshit.

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Reply #24 posted 11/04/04 2:31pm

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Ed Anger and Bat-Boy just visited me and they told me it's true, George Bush is smarter than John Kerry. And he can fly, too. nod

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Now for the punch line:

You guys would be LOVING this if it said the Kerry was smarter than Bush.

I'm sorry guys. I'm sorry that Bush is smarter than Kerry... I really am.

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Reply #26 posted 11/04/04 2:38pm

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You're just jealous because John Kerry can shoot laser beams from his eyes. Fess up.

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Anxiety said:

You're just jealous because John Kerry can shoot laser beams from his eyes. Fess up.


I must admit that I was pissed at that motherfucker about that shit for a while. I was at a political rally and I felt my butt-cheeks gettin' all hot and then next thing you know, my pants had caught fire. I spun around and saw Kerry's laser eyes burning... the only problem was that they were now burning my cock and nuts off. I had to dive for cover underneath a large, scalding hot bowl of New England clam chowder, which further exascerbated the situation by raising a bubbly blister on my forehead, making me look like a fucking brachiosaurus for about a week.

I swear to Zeus, that guy is an X-Man.

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Mastodon said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Bush is no stephen Hawking no no no! It's funny you think an obvious idiot is smarter than Kerry. Hilarious really evillol


He has a higher IQ, thus he is smarter. Bush isn't the smartest fucker out there, but Kerry isn't quite as smart as him.



NO. He DOESN'T have a higher I.Q.


Firstly, Steve Sailer's study involves extrapolating the result of a military test that is only 'similar' to those officially used for I.Q.

To state that Bush's I.Q. is therefore higher than Kerry's is total conjecture.

And secondly, the nature of an official I.Q. test allows for a natural bias in the results, depending on many factors including those present during the test, as well as an individuals natural aptitude for specific tasks due to past practise. Thus on the one hand possible for a complete idiot to improve their test scores significantly through repeated excercise/examination, whereas on the other it is possible for a superiorly intelligent individual to screw up on their first test.


So, if you believe through this article that Bush has the higher I.Q. then you should feel embarrassed at your demonstration of ignorance. In truth we cannot say based upon these test examinations alone who has the highest I.Q.

I have to say that I.Q. tests to this day are a totally outdated experimentation.

I'm affraid Mastodon is going to have to rely on the simple analysis of behaviour before he can make as much as an estimate as to who out of these two guys is the most intelligent.

jerkoff.....drool BULLSEYE! cool
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Taureau said:

Mastodon said:



He has a higher IQ, thus he is smarter. Bush isn't the smartest fucker out there, but Kerry isn't quite as smart as him.



NO. He DOESN'T have a higher I.Q.


Firstly, Steve Sailer's study involves extrapolating the result of a military test that is only 'similar' to those officially used for I.Q.

To state that Bush's I.Q. is therefore higher than Kerry's is total conjecture.

And secondly, the nature of an official I.Q. test allows for a natural bias in the results, depending on many factors including those present during the test, as well as an individuals natural aptitude for specific tasks due to past practise. Thus on the one hand possible for a complete idiot to improve their test scores significantly through repeated excercise/examination, whereas on the other it is possible for a superiorly intelligent individual to screw up on their first test.


So, if you believe through this article that Bush has the higher I.Q. then you should feel embarrassed at your demonstration of ignorance. In truth we cannot say based upon these test examinations alone who has the highest I.Q.

I have to say that I.Q. tests to this day are a totally outdated experimentation.

I'm affraid Mastodon is going to have to rely on the simple analysis of behaviour before he can make as much as an estimate as to who out of these two guys is the most intelligent.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Were it that the results had been in Kerry's favor.

lol

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