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Coretta Scott King: Homophobia Same as Racism “All forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere,” the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. told activists gathered for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force’s 13th annual Creating Change conference. She continued: “I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”
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Make Room At The Table for Lesbian and Gay People
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"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." | |
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CynthiasSocks said: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
NOBODY DENY GAY PEOPLE PERSONHOOD! THAT FROM SLAVERY WHEN BAD WHITE GUY SAY BLACK PEOPLE NOT REAL HUMAN LIKE THEM IT EXCUSE TO MAKE SLAVE OUT OF BLACK PEOPLE DONT TELL ORG YOU HAVE SAME PROBLEM P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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POOK said: WOW! SHE WRONG YOU BORN BLACK YOU BORN JEW YOU BORN WOMAN YOU ACT GAY AND DO GAY THING BIG BIG DIFFERENCE YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT You are Wrong! I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY. And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish. | |
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POOK said: CynthiasSocks said: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
NOBODY DENY GAY PEOPLE PERSONHOOD! THAT FROM SLAVERY WHEN BAD WHITE GUY SAY BLACK PEOPLE NOT REAL HUMAN LIKE THEM IT EXCUSE TO MAKE SLAVE OUT OF BLACK PEOPLE DONT TELL ORG YOU HAVE SAME PROBLEM Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity! | |
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pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..
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CynthiasSocks said: POOK said: WOW! SHE WRONG YOU BORN BLACK YOU BORN JEW YOU BORN WOMAN YOU ACT GAY AND DO GAY THING BIG BIG DIFFERENCE YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT You are Wrong! I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY. And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish. JEW A PEOPLE HELD TOGETHER BY TRADITION BUT STILL PEOPLE LIKE ITALIAN OR GREEK POOK MEAN DAVID LEE ROTH NOT SAMMY DAVIS AND YOU KNOW THAT P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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sosgemini said: pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..
two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences.... IS CORETTA GAY? IS CYNTHIA BLACK? GEMINI YOU AS GAY MAN ARGUE WITH APPLEKISSES ABOUT MENSTRUAL PERIOD SO NO HIGH AND MIGHTY ACT FOR POOK PAL P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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POOK said: sosgemini said: pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..
two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences.... IS CORETTA GAY? IS CYNTHIA BLACK? GEMINI YOU AS GAY MAN ARGUE WITH APPLEKISSES ABOUT MENSTRUAL PERIOD SO NO HIGH AND MIGHTY ACT FOR POOK PAL no, actually i was arguing with her the rights of a business owner....as a business owner i felt i had a different perspective to share.. .i was trying to get her to remove her own personal experience to see my point....so DONT speak for me and misrepresent my words.... and once again, if you can relate to the subject please share your views..dont just spew empty rhetoric.... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..
two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences.... This argument always makes me think of Star Trek IV when Bones asks Spock what it was like to be dead and Spock says that he cannot discuss it with him because he has no reference and Bones says to Spock "So you are saying that you cannot discuss your views on death with me until I die?" | |
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lovemachine said: sosgemini said: pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..
two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences.... This argument always makes me think of Star Trek IV when Bones asks Spock what it was like to be dead and Spock says that he cannot discuss it with him because he has no reference and Bones says to Spock "So you are saying that you cannot discuss your views on death with me until I die?" yet i think in this case its warranted...how are you going to tell me i was born gay or not? you dont know what went on in my brain, in my body in my soul..... however, i am not telling him he cant discuss the subject..i asked him if he had friends who had a different life experience..i was being sincere when i asked him to share those experiences.... people around here seem far more interested in giving quick oneliners and zingers then actually trying to gain an understanding of who and what the other side is thinking.... the level of discussion in this forum is sinking lower then bridgette nelson's tits..... its sad.. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: the level of discussion in this forum is sinking lower then bridgette nelson's tits..... its sad.. "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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POOK said: WOW! SHE WRONG YOU BORN BLACK YOU BORN JEW YOU BORN WOMAN [b]YOU ACT GAY AND DO GAY THING BIG BIG DIFFERENCE YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT [/b] not so fast monkey boy. my gay friends claim they knew they were gay from birth, and recent research into the subject seems to support the notion that sexual preference can be genetically linked and/or influenced by the presence or lack of hormones in a developing fetus. and if this is true, then homosexuality could be considered a natural, and therefore god-given trait. for example, did you know that all fetuses are female, and the presence of certain hormones turns them male? Full Text COPYRIGHT Science Service Inc. 1994 Sex hormones orchestrate myriad biological activities throughout our lives, beginning with the initial signaling for certain fetal tissues to differentiate into structures that are quintessentially male or female. But gender - both its physical expression and its characteristic behaviortraces more to the relative concentrations of various sex hormones circulating in the body than to the mere existence of certain dominant ones. For example, women produce some androgens, or male hormones. Indeed, a woman's body synthesizes estrogens from androgens such as testosterone. Similarly, though estradiol is the animal kingdom's primary estrogen, or feminizing hormone, it plays important roles in both men and women. At no time does an imbalance of sex hormones produce more obvious results than during fetal development. Too much estrogen at the wrong moment can turn an organism with male genes into what to all outward appearances is a female. Similarly, an overabundance of androgens can produce the sex organs of a male in a fetus with the genes to be female. from: http://www.genderweb.org/...mtch.phtml | |
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CynthiasSocks said: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: CynthiasSocks said: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so. But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery. | |
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JasmineFire said: Soulchild82 said: I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so. But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery. It may be comparable. Not at all equal. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: JasmineFire said: But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery. It may be comparable. Not at all equal. no, not equal but what good is comparing the amount fo suffering one group has undergone to the suffering of another? what does that prove? that one group is more deserving of being treated fairly than another? all discrimination and dehumanizing behavior should be stopped not matter who is the target or what their history is. | |
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POOK is behaving like an ape. Oops, POOK is an ape!
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I appreciate Coretta Scott King's place in history, vis-a-vis the Civil Rights Movement.
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one issue is you can't get a job because of your race while the other is that you can't get a job 'cause of who you fuck. they are the same in terms of violation of human rights. | |
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POOK said: CynthiasSocks said: You are Wrong! I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY. And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish. JEW A PEOPLE HELD TOGETHER BY TRADITION BUT STILL PEOPLE LIKE ITALIAN OR GREEK POOK MEAN DAVID LEE ROTH NOT SAMMY DAVIS AND YOU KNOW THAT | |
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POOK said: WOW! SHE WRONG YOU BORN BLACK YOU BORN JEW YOU BORN WOMAN YOU ACT GAY AND DO GAY THING BIG BIG DIFFERENCE YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT | |
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Soulchild82 said: CynthiasSocks said: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so. | |
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ThreadBare said: I appreciate Coretta Scott King's place in history, vis-a-vis the Civil Rights Movement.
Wow, TB. I had no idea anyone felt this way. Very interesting post. I just wanna say that I thought it was important because so many people tear down the thought that the civil rights movement was being compared to the gay rights movement of taoday and to have Coretta say what she said above is huge to me.I'm not going to belabor how wrong I believe it is to compare the discrimination non-whites face all over the world with the inequities faced by people who choose to follow same-sex/alternative livestyles. Racism is still a knee-jerk, mostly subconcious process. Homophobia as a discriminatory process requires some degree of disclosure. "20/20," about a month ago, even proved quite empirically that job applicants with decidedly ethnic (read, "black") names were routinely rejected by prospective employers -- despite being equally qualified for jobs given instead to white applicants. Both discriminatory practices are wrong. The same Bible that condemns homosexuality also condemns favoritism, a fact often overlooked by my over-zealous, frequently hateful, fellow Christian opponents to the lifestyle. Discrimination's always wrong. Funny how it takes me two paragraphs to NOT belabor something... My main point is this: In recent years, King and her family have done everything they can to exploit MLK's legacy, making the Hendrix estate struggles pale by comparison. While I appreciate her position, I lost whatever respect I had for her years ago. So, forgive me for greeting this "declaration from on high" (as she most certainly is treated as the widowed Queen of the Movement, at times) as little more than a mercenary attempt to extend MLK's relevance and, by extension, marketability. | |
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racism and homophobia are apples and oranges.
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XxAxX said: POOK said: WOW! SHE WRONG YOU BORN BLACK YOU BORN JEW YOU BORN WOMAN YOU ACT GAY AND DO GAY THING BIG BIG DIFFERENCE YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT not so fast monkey boy. my gay friends claim they knew they were gay from birth, and recent research into the subject seems to support the notion that sexual preference can be genetically linked and/or influenced by the presence or lack of hormones in a developing fetus. and if this is true, then homosexuality could be considered a natural, and therefore god-given trait. for example, did you know that all fetuses are female, and the presence of certain hormones turns them male? Full Text COPYRIGHT Science Service Inc. 1994 Sex hormones orchestrate myriad biological activities throughout our lives, beginning with the initial signaling for certain fetal tissues to differentiate into structures that are quintessentially male or female. But gender - both its physical expression and its characteristic behaviortraces more to the relative concentrations of various sex hormones circulating in the body than to the mere existence of certain dominant ones. For example, women produce some androgens, or male hormones. Indeed, a woman's body synthesizes estrogens from androgens such as testosterone. Similarly, though estradiol is the animal kingdom's primary estrogen, or feminizing hormone, it plays important roles in both men and women. At no time does an imbalance of sex hormones produce more obvious results than during fetal development. Too much estrogen at the wrong moment can turn an organism with male genes into what to all outward appearances is a female. Similarly, an overabundance of androgens can produce the sex organs of a male in a fetus with the genes to be female. from: http://www.genderweb.org/...mtch.phtml IT GENETIC? LIKE X MEN? THEY HAVE SPECIAL GAY POWER? P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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