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Coretta Scott King: Homophobia Same as Racism

“All forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere,” the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. told activists gathered for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force’s 13th annual Creating Change conference. She continued: “I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”

Following are the remarks made by Coretta Scott King at the opening plenary session of the 13th annual Creating Change conference, organized by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, in Atlanta on November 9. (Some of Mrs. King’s introductory greetings upon taking the podium have been omitted.)

I think we all need a few days to recuperate from the stress-filled election we have just experienced, but not much more, because we have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination.

I say “common struggle” because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination.

My husband, Martin Luther King Jr., once said, “We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny…an inescapable network of mutuality.… I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be.” Therefore, I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.

In addition to this fundamental moral principle, there is a very practical reason why people involved in human rights should support each other and work together. And that reason is that the whole of us united makes us stronger than the sum of our parts. This principle of synergy is eloquently summed up in the equation “One plus one equals three.” In other words, there are things we achieve together that we can’t achieve separately.

In a way, we have just had an object lesson in the power of coalition unity. And I think we have just seen the future of American democracy flash before our eyes last Tuesday. The coalition that gave Al Gore a popular majority can surely be as powerful as the New Deal coalition that transformed America in an earlier era.

So what comes next for the NGLTF, the King Center, and indeed all organizations working for human rights and social justice must be a new emphasis on working together in coalitions. With this commitment, we can pass comprehensive hate crimes legislation and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and secure full funding for AIDS research, prevention, and treatment. We can defend affirmative action and support a broad range of common legislative and policy priorities.

It is encouraging that we have seen more gay and lesbian candidates elected to political office. It is important for lesbian and gay officeholders and their constituencies to achieve greater visibility as supporters of laws that benefit the entire community. I think this will help educate the American public that lesbian and gay people seek the same goals of quality education for young people, cleaner air and water, safe streets and better health care that straight people want. We have to work harder for the broader vision of the compassionate and caring society that demands decent living standards for all citizens.

Now that the election is finally behind us, we must turn our full attention to building a tightly knit coalition of human rights groups that can act swiftly and effectively for needed policy reforms. Let’s make this first decade of the 21st century an era of unprecedented expansion in freedom and democracy.

And as we work for needed reforms, we must also look ahead to the next elections, mindful that we need more people of color in America’s federal, state, and local political institutions. And we also need more women and more lesbian and gay officeholders as well. This is how we make our political institutions reflect the diversity of the American people.

In closing, my friends, I just want to say that I’m proud to stand with you today as we build a great new American coalition for freedom and human rights for all people. Despite the formidable challenges we face, I believe that we will succeed in creating a more compassionate and just society.

I’ll conclude my remarks tonight with a few words spoken by Martin Luther King Jr. at the National Press Club in July of 1962. The 38 years that have come and gone since then have done nothing to diminish the relevance of his remarks. Indeed, they seem particularly appropriate to the challenge we face today.

“We are simply seeking,” said Martin, “to bring into full realization the American dream—a dream yet unfulfilled. A dream of equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed; a dream of a land where men no longer argue that the color of a man’s skin determines the content of his character; the dream of a land where everyone will respect the dignity and worth of the human personality—this is the dream. When it is realized, the jangling discords of our nation will be transformed into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood, and men everywhere will know that America is truly the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

With this faith, sisters and brothers, let us work together with renewed passion and commitment to create the beloved community of Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream, where all people can live together in a spirit of trust and understanding, harmony, love, and peace.

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Reply #1 posted 09/15/04 3:24pm

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Make Room At The Table for Lesbian and Gay People

Coretta Scott King, speaking four days before the 30th anniversary of her husband's assassination, said Tuesday the civil rights leader's memory demanded a strong stand for gay and lesbian rights. "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," she said. - Reuters, March 31, 1998.

Homophobia is Like Racism and Anti-Semitism

Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel,
Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." - Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.

MLK's Struggle Parallels The Gay Rights Movement

Quoting a passage from her late husband's writing, Coretta Scott King
reaffirmed her stance on gay and lesbian rights Tuesday at a luncheon
celebrating the 25 anniversary of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, a national gay rights organization. "We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny . . . I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy," King told 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton, days before the 30th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination on April 4, 1968. She said the civil rights movement "thrives on unity and inclusion, not division and exclusion." Her husband's struggle parallels that of the gay rights movement, she said. - Chicago Sun Times, April 1, 1998, p.18.

Mrs. King is Outspoken Supporter of Gay and Lesbian People

"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people," King said at the 25th Anniversary Luncheon for the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund.... "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions." - Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998, sec.2, p.4.

Sexual Orientation is a Fundamental Human Rights

We have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say “common struggle” because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination. - Coretta Scott King, remarks, Opening Plenary Session, 13th annual Creating Change conference of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Atlanta, Georgia, November 9, 2000.

We Need a National Campaign Against Homophobia

"We have to launch a national campaign against homophobia in the black community," said Coretta Scott King, widow of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., the slain civil rights leader. - Reuters, June 8, 2001.

Justice is Indivisible

For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any other group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law.... I believe that freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. My husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” On another occasion he said, “I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible.” Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others. So I see this bill as a step forward for freedom and human rights in our country and a logical extension of the Bill of Rights and the civil rights reforms of the 1950’s and ‘60’s. The great promise of American democracy is that no group of people will be forced to suffer discrimination and injustice. - Coretta Scott King, remarks, press conference on the introduction of ENDA, Washington, DC, June 23, 1994.

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http://www.prince.org/msg/105/114743
[Edited 9/15/04 15:40pm]

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Reply #3 posted 09/15/04 3:37pm

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eek


wow..this is news!! interesting...

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"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."

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Reply #5 posted 09/15/04 3:42pm

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WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT


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Reply #6 posted 09/15/04 3:45pm

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CynthiasSocks said:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."


NOBODY DENY GAY PEOPLE PERSONHOOD!

THAT FROM SLAVERY

WHEN BAD WHITE GUY SAY BLACK PEOPLE NOT REAL HUMAN LIKE THEM

IT EXCUSE TO MAKE SLAVE OUT OF BLACK PEOPLE

DONT TELL ORG YOU HAVE SAME PROBLEM


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POOK said:


WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT



You are Wrong!
I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY.
And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish.

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Reply #8 posted 09/15/04 3:48pm

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POOK said:

CynthiasSocks said:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."


NOBODY DENY GAY PEOPLE PERSONHOOD!

THAT FROM SLAVERY

WHEN BAD WHITE GUY SAY BLACK PEOPLE NOT REAL HUMAN LIKE THEM

IT EXCUSE TO MAKE SLAVE OUT OF BLACK PEOPLE

DONT TELL ORG YOU HAVE SAME PROBLEM


Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity!

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Reply #9 posted 09/15/04 3:51pm

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pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..

two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences....

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Reply #10 posted 09/15/04 3:52pm

POOK

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CynthiasSocks said:

POOK said:


WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT



You are Wrong!
I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY.
And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish.


JEW A PEOPLE

HELD TOGETHER BY TRADITION

BUT STILL PEOPLE

LIKE ITALIAN OR GREEK

POOK MEAN DAVID LEE ROTH

NOT SAMMY DAVIS

AND YOU KNOW THAT


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sosgemini said:

pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..

two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences....


IS CORETTA GAY?

IS CYNTHIA BLACK?

GEMINI YOU AS GAY MAN ARGUE WITH APPLEKISSES ABOUT MENSTRUAL PERIOD

SO NO HIGH AND MIGHTY ACT FOR POOK PAL


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POOK said:

sosgemini said:

pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..

two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences....


IS CORETTA GAY?

IS CYNTHIA BLACK?

GEMINI YOU AS GAY MAN ARGUE WITH APPLEKISSES ABOUT MENSTRUAL PERIOD

SO NO HIGH AND MIGHTY ACT FOR POOK PAL



no, actually i was arguing with her the rights of a business owner....as a business owner i felt i had a different perspective to share.. .i was trying to get her to remove her own personal experience to see my point....so DONT speak for me and misrepresent my words....

and once again, if you can relate to the subject please share your views..dont just spew empty rhetoric....

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Reply #13 posted 09/15/04 4:23pm

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sosgemini said:

pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..

two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences....



This argument always makes me think of Star Trek IV when Bones asks Spock what it was like to be dead and Spock says that he cannot discuss it with him because he has no reference and Bones says to Spock "So you are saying that you cannot discuss your views on death with me until I die?"

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lovemachine said:

sosgemini said:

pook, one: give the discussion some respect and discuss it using normal english..

two: how can you speak on a topic you have no experience on? are you gay? do you know people who are gay who have expressed different opinions on the subject? if so, share those experiences....



This argument always makes me think of Star Trek IV when Bones asks Spock what it was like to be dead and Spock says that he cannot discuss it with him because he has no reference and Bones says to Spock "So you are saying that you cannot discuss your views on death with me until I die?"



yet i think in this case its warranted...how are you going to tell me i was born gay or not? you dont know what went on in my brain, in my body in my soul.....

however, i am not telling him he cant discuss the subject..i asked him if he had friends who had a different life experience..i was being sincere when i asked him to share those experiences....

people around here seem far more interested in giving quick oneliners and zingers then actually trying to gain an understanding of who and what the other side is thinking....

the level of discussion in this forum is sinking lower then bridgette nelson's tits.....

its sad.. lol

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Reply #15 posted 09/15/04 4:40pm

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sosgemini said:


the level of discussion in this forum is sinking lower then bridgette nelson's tits.....

its sad.. lol


lol sorry, you make a good point, but this was funny!

"I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney
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Reply #16 posted 09/15/04 5:15pm

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POOK said:


WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

[b]YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE


YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT
[/b]


not so fast monkey boy. my gay friends claim they knew they were gay from birth, and recent research into the subject seems to support the notion that sexual preference can be genetically linked and/or influenced by the presence or lack of hormones in a developing fetus.

and if this is true, then homosexuality could be considered a natural, and therefore god-given trait.

for example, did you know that all fetuses are female, and the presence of certain hormones turns them male?


Full Text COPYRIGHT Science Service Inc. 1994

Sex hormones orchestrate myriad biological activities throughout our lives, beginning with the initial signaling for certain fetal tissues to differentiate into structures that are quintessentially male or female.

But gender - both its physical expression and its characteristic behaviortraces more to the relative concentrations of various sex hormones circulating in the body than to the mere existence of certain dominant ones. For example, women produce some androgens, or male hormones. Indeed, a woman's body synthesizes estrogens from androgens such as testosterone. Similarly, though estradiol is the animal kingdom's primary estrogen, or feminizing hormone, it plays important roles in both men and women.

At no time does an imbalance of sex hormones produce more obvious results than during fetal development. Too much estrogen at the wrong moment can turn an organism with male genes into what to all outward appearances is a female. Similarly, an overabundance of androgens can produce the sex organs of a male in a fetus with the genes to be female.

from: http://www.genderweb.org/...mtch.phtml

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CynthiasSocks said:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."



I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so.

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Reply #18 posted 09/15/04 6:27pm

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Soulchild82 said:

CynthiasSocks said:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."



I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so.

But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery.

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JasmineFire said:

Soulchild82 said:




I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so.

But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery.



It may be comparable. Not at all equal.

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Reply #20 posted 09/15/04 7:11pm

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JasmineFire said:


But homosexuals, much like ethnic minorities, are dehumanized and their dignity and personhood are denied on a fairly regular basis. In this way the two struggles are similar. To compare the struggle of homosexuals with the atrocities that any racial minority group has gone through over the centuries is not fair since both groups have such different histories. however, racial minorities and homosexuals are both groups that are consistently discriminated against and mistreated just because of a phenotypic difference. You are a person before you are gay, black, white, whatever and that person should be treated as just that, a person, and not as being black, gay, jewish, etc. i think that's what coretta scott king is getting at, not that the discrimination that homosexuals face is comparable to slavery.



It may be comparable. Not at all equal.

no, not equal but what good is comparing the amount fo suffering one group has undergone to the suffering of another? what does that prove? that one group is more deserving of being treated fairly than another?

all discrimination and dehumanizing behavior should be stopped not matter who is the target or what their history is.

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Reply #21 posted 09/15/04 9:07pm

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POOK is behaving like an ape. Oops, POOK is an ape!
Such primitive thought.
So what shall we make of apes and other nonhuman species that choose to be gay?
monkey

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Reply #22 posted 09/15/04 9:33pm

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I appreciate Coretta Scott King's place in history, vis-a-vis the Civil Rights Movement.

I'm not going to belabor how wrong I believe it is to compare the discrimination non-whites face all over the world with the inequities faced by people who choose to follow same-sex/alternative livestyles.

Racism is still a knee-jerk, mostly subconcious process. Homophobia as a discriminatory process requires some degree of disclosure. "20/20," about a month ago, even proved quite empirically that job applicants with decidedly ethnic (read, "black") names were routinely rejected by prospective employers -- despite being equally qualified for jobs given instead to white applicants.

Both discriminatory practices are wrong. The same Bible that condemns homosexuality also condemns favoritism, a fact often overlooked by my over-zealous, frequently hateful, fellow Christian opponents to the lifestyle. Discrimination's always wrong.

Funny how it takes me two paragraphs to NOT belabor something... brick

My main point is this: In recent years, King and her family have done everything they can to exploit MLK's legacy, making the Hendrix estate struggles pale by comparison. While I appreciate her position, I lost whatever respect I had for her years ago.

So, forgive me for greeting this "declaration from on high" (as she most certainly is treated as the widowed Queen of the Movement, at times) as little more than a mercenary attempt to extend MLK's relevance and, by extension, marketability.

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Reply #23 posted 09/15/04 9:49pm

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one issue is you can't get a job because of your race while the other is that you can't get a job 'cause of who you fuck. they are the same in terms of violation of human rights.

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Reply #24 posted 09/16/04 1:58am

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POOK said:

CynthiasSocks said:




You are Wrong!
I don't ACT GAY, I was BORN GAY.
And furthermore- you are not born JEW, you're taught to be Jewish.


JEW A PEOPLE

HELD TOGETHER BY TRADITION

BUT STILL PEOPLE

LIKE ITALIAN OR GREEK

POOK MEAN DAVID LEE ROTH

NOT SAMMY DAVIS

AND YOU KNOW THAT



wacky pook need to put the pipe down

neva get married...
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Reply #25 posted 09/16/04 6:16am

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POOK said:


WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT
Being both black and gay, sorry Pook but you don't know what the hell you are talking about on this one.

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CynthiasSocks said:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."



I think coretta is wrong on this topic. I do believe it is wrong to mistreat people based on their sexual prefrence. we are responsible for whatever kind of lifestye we lead gay straight or otherwise. But it does bother when people make the struggle of blacks equal to gay right. THere are similarites, however Blacks are a race of people not a lifestyle. I can't live the black lifestyle. I'm born to be black by black parents and black ancestry. We can debate all day if you are born gay or not, personally I don't know. But you can not equate the struggle of gays to that of the opression of blacks in the US and other countries. Gays do not originate from a continent and were not inslaved had their culture stolen (no doubt they have suffered violence and discrimination) and then rebuilt and built much of American Culture. Plus you can't compare 400 years to the last 50 or so.
No one is saying that it's equal, only similar. I don't get anything from what she said that she thinks it is. "Homophobia is likeracism, etc."

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Reply #27 posted 09/16/04 6:25am

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I appreciate Coretta Scott King's place in history, vis-a-vis the Civil Rights Movement.

I'm not going to belabor how wrong I believe it is to compare the discrimination non-whites face all over the world with the inequities faced by people who choose to follow same-sex/alternative livestyles.

Racism is still a knee-jerk, mostly subconcious process. Homophobia as a discriminatory process requires some degree of disclosure. "20/20," about a month ago, even proved quite empirically that job applicants with decidedly ethnic (read, "black") names were routinely rejected by prospective employers -- despite being equally qualified for jobs given instead to white applicants.

Both discriminatory practices are wrong. The same Bible that condemns homosexuality also condemns favoritism, a fact often overlooked by my over-zealous, frequently hateful, fellow Christian opponents to the lifestyle. Discrimination's always wrong.

Funny how it takes me two paragraphs to NOT belabor something... brick

My main point is this: In recent years, King and her family have done everything they can to exploit MLK's legacy, making the Hendrix estate struggles pale by comparison. While I appreciate her position, I lost whatever respect I had for her years ago.

So, forgive me for greeting this "declaration from on high" (as she most certainly is treated as the widowed Queen of the Movement, at times) as little more than a mercenary attempt to extend MLK's relevance and, by extension, marketability.
Wow, TB. I had no idea anyone felt this way. Very interesting post. I just wanna say that I thought it was important because so many people tear down the thought that the civil rights movement was being compared to the gay rights movement of taoday and to have Coretta say what she said above is huge to me.

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Reply #28 posted 09/16/04 8:23am

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racism and homophobia are apples and oranges.



which is to say that apples and oranges, for all their differences in taste, color, texture, etc., are still both fruits that grow on trees.

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Reply #29 posted 09/16/04 8:23am

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POOK said:


WOW!

SHE WRONG

YOU BORN BLACK

YOU BORN JEW

YOU BORN WOMAN

YOU ACT GAY

AND DO GAY THING

BIG BIG DIFFERENCE

YOU IN DENIAL IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT


not so fast monkey boy. my gay friends claim they knew they were gay from birth, and recent research into the subject seems to support the notion that sexual preference can be genetically linked and/or influenced by the presence or lack of hormones in a developing fetus.

and if this is true, then homosexuality could be considered a natural, and therefore god-given trait.

for example, did you know that all fetuses are female, and the presence of certain hormones turns them male?


Full Text COPYRIGHT Science Service Inc. 1994

Sex hormones orchestrate myriad biological activities throughout our lives, beginning with the initial signaling for certain fetal tissues to differentiate into structures that are quintessentially male or female.

But gender - both its physical expression and its characteristic behaviortraces more to the relative concentrations of various sex hormones circulating in the body than to the mere existence of certain dominant ones. For example, women produce some androgens, or male hormones. Indeed, a woman's body synthesizes estrogens from androgens such as testosterone. Similarly, though estradiol is the animal kingdom's primary estrogen, or feminizing hormone, it plays important roles in both men and women.

At no time does an imbalance of sex hormones produce more obvious results than during fetal development. Too much estrogen at the wrong moment can turn an organism with male genes into what to all outward appearances is a female. Similarly, an overabundance of androgens can produce the sex organs of a male in a fetus with the genes to be female.

from: http://www.genderweb.org/...mtch.phtml


IT GENETIC?

LIKE X MEN?

THEY HAVE SPECIAL GAY POWER?


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