Do You Believe Ya Could Be Religious ,Totally Gay, And God Says O.K>?

I went to a Jehovah Whitness meeting and the Speaker said and I Quote So Many Gay People Nowadys want us To Follow them! He had a Disdain for Gays. I was as I am gay Friendly Very Appalled. what do you think of these Religious People Singling out Gays ? And also making it seem ya Can't be RELIGIOUS and GAy Cause it's a Sin? Do Ya still go to Church Services?

well, we, the gays of the world, thank you, but really, your fascination is a little unsettling. is there something you might want to explore in your life and this is how you are working up to it?

well, if you believe in reincarnation, then it would be okay.

No. I Had Men whom I dated or More who as I found out Gay in the Closet. I actually found pictures of one with makeup. Then actually he had lunches with Gay Men Paying for him. His Friends from work were all gay and Lesbian but he never came out and still dates Young woman like half his age.

I'm afraid to laugh at this thread because I'm not sure what Zelaira is going to say next. I knew this coming.

I think people use religion as an excuse far too much to justify their own biases, so it doesn't really matter.

The person themselves should decide what works for them-haven't people already misinterpreted and twisted the message for long enough? Gay or straight, if they're not hurting somebody else I really don't see what people should be scared of.

Also, I want to marry a penguin.

that's a tough question

my "religion" couldn't care less if i'm gay, so i'll just have to answer yeah, "god" says OK.

[My religion tells me that this is in the WRONG FORUM! - June7]

people love to use religion as a means to support their own personal issues. the problem is, folks want religion to convert to their own specific beliefs rather than the other way around. its all in the interpretation, i suppose. i'm gay and i am a christian...i haven't read anything in the bible where Christ condemns homosexuality. if jc is down, i'm good to go.

SassyBritches said:

gooeythehamster said:

I say...Ask God.....


other than that....worry about your own relationship with God and what you're doing to please or displease him.....I'm too busy fucking up to worry about how other ppl are fucking up....

the first chapter of romans really sheds a lot of light on how God views homsexual practices. (notice i said practices, not gay people themselves.) read it, it is enlightening.

IT DEPEND ON WHAT RELIGIOUS MEAN

IF YOU MEAN BIBLE BASE CHRISTIANITY

YOU BE GAY AND CHRISTIAN

SAME DAY YOU CAN BE PROUD OF OTHER SIN AND BE CHRISTIAN

IF YOU WORK THROUGH IT THAT DIFFERENT

I'm not sure what "totally gay" means, but my short answer is yes.

Zelaira said:

fantasyislander said:

laylow03 said:

laylow03 said:

True Christians do not make homosexuals, or anyone else, the target of ill will, ridicule, or harassment. True Christians view their fellow humans as potential disciples of Christ, treating them in a respectful and dignified manner. The Bible says: “This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.”—1 Timothy 2:3, 4

fantasyislander said:

ekalb101 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

2 Timothy 3:16- All scripture is inspired by God . . .

so, let's see what God inspired to be written:

Leviticus 18:22-And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

Leviticus 20:13-And when a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing. They should be put to death without fail. Their own blood is upon them.

Romans 1:26, 27-That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9, 10-What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom..

but what about what was said earlier, that Jesus himself never said anything against homosexual acts? those who so argue ignore the fact that the Bible refers to the words of Paul as part of ‘Scripture’ and thus beneficial for “setting things straight.” (2 tim 3:16)

Jesus said, as recorded at Matthew 19:9 according to the Revised Standard Version: “Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery.” The Greek word for “unchastity” that Matthew used here when he wrote Jesus’ words is por·nei´a. Por·nei´a is related to the verb por·neu´o, meaning “to give one’s self to unlawful sexual intercourse.”

The best way to understand what is taken in by these terms is to find out how they are used in other places. A similar word appears in the Bible at Jude 7 in describing the sin of “Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally [an intensive form of por·neu´o] and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” (RSV) For what type of ‘immorality’ or por·nei´a were those at Sodom and Gomorrah condemned?

These men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuals. In fact, the English word “sodomy,” which particularly means ‘intercourse between two men,’ is drawn from the name of the city of Sodom. The Bible would call their sin por·nei´a. Jesus said por·nei´a was so wrong morally that it was a basis for severing the marriage bond. Did Jesus mean all types of porneia except homosexuality? i hardly think so.

remember that Jesus was a Jew living under the law of Moses. His use of por·nei´a, says Edward Robinson’s Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament, apparently includes ‘all intercourse interdicted by the Mosaic Law.’ That Law included among its injunctions: “Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence.” (Lev. 18:22, The Torah, The Five Books of Moses, by the Jewish Publication Society of America) Por·nei´a, the word used by Jesus, obviously included this command of God.

Also, it should be noted that homosexuality had been condemned by God before the law of Moses was even given. The account about Sodom and Gomorrah proves this fact; those cities were destroyed by God over 400 years before the law of Moses came into existence. Jesus was aware of that.

I grew up in the church. At 18 I came out of the closet and made friends and lived my life the way I was meant to....as a gay man. As I stayed away from the church, I was able to re-examine my beliefs. Actually re-examine is the wrong word, it's more like examine because that is something I had never really done while in the church.....question what I believe and why I believe it.

As I questioned my beliefs I started asking questions about my sexuality. If I have always been gay (I've known since I was 4 and my aunt told my mom that I was going to be gay when I was 6 months old ), how can God hold me accountable for the way I was born? That was a springboard for questioning all the ways that man uses religion to serve his own interest. Whether it be money, power or control, mankind uses religion as a tool to keep others in line with what usually benefits the few and not the masses.

Bottom line is that Christians profess a belief in salvation through faith in Christ. According to the Bible, Christ's death offered a way to God outside the strict constructs of the law. By simply believing that Christ died for our sins, we are able to achieve salvation based on that faith and based on the grace of God for sacrificing his son in our place. If that is what you profess to believe, then just like any other "sinner", homosexuals fall under the same offer. The last time I checked this offer is good for anyone who wants to accept it. Isn't it everyone's responsibility to establish their own relationship with God? And since it is by faith and grace that we are saved, isn't my salvation based NOT on my "sin" but whether or not I have faith?

Since an estimated 10-15% of the population is gay and since it is such a "sin", wouldn't Jesus have addressed it quite extensively? Wouldn't he have preached his message about how wrong and evil it is? Please point to specific text where Jesus addressed and condemned homosexuality.

The Bible was written by Man. Claims that these men wrote the "inspired" word of God does not negate the fact that as human beings, we are apt to make mistakes. No man is perfect. Being that this book was written thousands of years ago is it impossible to conceive that perhaps the hatred with which the subject was written has more to do with the insecurities of Man as a male species? In this day and age when you had the likes of the Taliban abusing the general population of women in such horrendous ways, it's not surprising to me that men of a couple thousand years ago would think of homosexuality as an evil sin.

Perhaps the notion that "man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind" stems from the overriding instinct in most men to enforce and protect their masculinity and to spread their seed. I would say that it's likely that in that day and age men were supposed to fit into one mold and that there was no room for any variance. Any type of perceived weakness would surely be challenged and overtaken by those stronger. Perhaps THAT is why it was considered a sin. Man is supposed to dominate and rule, not be dominated or ruled as would be perceived in the context of male relations with women being in the submissive or subservient role. Women being the one to be penetrated.

It's very sad that "believers", for lack of a better word, chase off gay people from wanting to have a relationship with God because they cannot display the tenets of their faith properly.

I have come to the conclusion that there is no way my salvation hinges on whether or not I want to stick my penis in a vagina or whether a woman has one inserted inside her. Straight people stick their genitals in the "right place" and yet many perpetrate countless horrors. Are their transgressions less than mine because I'm attracted to the same sex? NO!.

I can't tell you how many times this scripture was used to villify how evil we homosexuals are:

Genesis 19:5-8

ekalb101 said:

so, as long as one believes and has faith in Jesus ransom sacrifice they can do whatever they want? they can lie, cheat, steal, murder, as long as they believe in Jesus sacrifice? don't you think they have to work in harmony with that faith?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: